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Re: (Challenge Difficulty) Am I the only one...
I personally like that overland mobs and quest bosses finally have time to do something before they die, and that defense is something I actually have to consider. I'm no longer completely immune to dying in overland just because I slotted Reaving Blows. That said, Reaving Blows, ROPO, Puncturing Sweeps and the like are still effectual defense mechanisms, just not on their own. (I honestly think they need to be reworked though they finally feel like they're in a good place in Overland on Vestige, while feeling wildly overpowered in other content)
I did a test where I compared a public dungeon on Vestige to vet Vateshran Hollows, and my finding was that the public dungeon mobs both died faster and hit harder. VH felt more like a slog that outside of specific mechanics was completely unthreatening. And this is the difficulty that's not being touched.
I did a test where I compared a public dungeon on Vestige to vet Vateshran Hollows, and my finding was that the public dungeon mobs both died faster and hit harder. VH felt more like a slog that outside of specific mechanics was completely unthreatening. And this is the difficulty that's not being touched.
Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
SeaGtGruff wrote: »The funny thing is, even if I'm not "hard grouped" with anyone else, just "soft grouped" in the general vicinity of other players, if we're fighting mobs and bosses then I'll start racking up "kills" (for the "kill 25/50/75 enemies" daily) for enemies killed by the other players, even if I never scored a hit on those enemies.
I wonder if that might be part of why some players are just hanging back on the outskirts of fights and not joining in-- because they're getting passive kills just by being "soft grouped" with players who are doing the actual fighting? I don't know.
I noticed this my second time in the Night Market, and, yes, as a mostly solo player, I thought about actually hanging back and letting those kills rack up.
But, I don't like doing that so I leapt in and started 'helping' (not sure I actually did do a lot of helping, considering I barely scratched the mob that killed me and sent me to the resurrection platform in the first place :P) and that was the most productive 'soft group' I had, I got several quests, got a couple done, and got all the kills needed for that one quest.
I just came back from the Night market, and Here is what I saw in the GF.
There were a lot of groups. Most, if not all but one or two, were for specific bosses or trials, or tasks. They weren't 'lets just group and run around and kill things and get dailies done!' Which is what I like about the soft grouping, it allows me to decide to follow this group, or break off with that group and go elsewhere.
When you have a large soft group, then players will break off to go to a specific quest, then join back up, and you can always decide to follow one group or the other, (unless there isn't a need to break off to do things like that), but with a formal group, I, at least, feel like I have to be with the main body/group leader.
Re: Launcher freezing after game exit.
Wow this is still an issue at the end of April 2026. ZOS this is unacceptable, fix your launcher! At least aknowledge this, what disgraceful support from you guys. Gotta be one of the worst companies I have seen for lakc of support.
Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
OccultNerd wrote: »Along comes Night Market...you need to group/follow a group/ sneak etc.. no problem, it was advertised as group content.
What I don't understand is why so many players refuse to group up and then come to the forums or FB groups and moan because they expected to do solo NM and they can't, so that's it they are quitting....what is they actual issue? Why won't these players join a team?
I've seen people asking for a solo or easier version of NM, why? Especially after the majority of players wanted harder content!
I have been in there solo and with groups of players and have watched the revolving door of respawns up on the platforms. These were not small groups, either. People were simply dying. Over and over. Players give up and wander off. Now, maybe "git gud" applies here, but seriously, is that what content is in 2026? I don't think that a lot of players realize that this is trial content. The sand fleas will one shot a lot of characters.
Personally, I treat dying as a strategy, not a hindrance. It allows me to bypass groups of "trash mobs" and complete daily quests without needing a group or someone to wander along and pull them out of my way.
Elsonso
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Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
When Solstice came out on ESO+ a month or two ago, I was constantly forming and joining groups in chat, sharing quests etc. - it was very friendly and pleasant. I didn't need to form an 'official' group for the siege camps, as there were always at least a couple of players at each camp to help take the boss down.
I was expecting the same kind of experience with the Night Market. I didn't miss the fact that it was advertised as 'group content', and I wasn't put off. However the chat was dead, I saw one other player (who was as squishy as I was) and the one and only group in the Group Finder was so far away I died at least 20 times trying to get to them and then gave up.
It's too dismissive to say that players who don't like the Night Market missed the memo, or are anti-social and hate grouping. There's no soft grouping; zone chat is presumably 'per instance' rather than zone wide, so no finding any help there; and you may need multiple players for even the easiest faction quests (two players and our companions couldn't get past the trash mobs in my experience), which players might feel embarrassed posting a request in group finder for.
If people are enjoying it, fine. I gave it a crack and now I'm enjoying not doing it!
This is how I feel.
I prefer to play solo and not group, because I don't always know how much time I will have to play and groups don't always have the same agenda as I do, so I just don't.
I am not opposed to it and have and will group when it is needed.
I, however, very much prefer soft grouping where I can join a large party of people who are just all headed in the same direction, and that is what I thought this would be like. That there would be groups of people running around, and I could join them.
When I did find groups like that (only twice), yeah, it was fun, I got some stuff done, and things were generally okay.
But the other three times I tried it, the zones were empty. One time, the first, there were a lot of people in the Night Market portion of the instance, but only one or two in the skittering precinct where I was sent. The second time, again Skittering, I saw one other person running around the resurrection point, and no fights going on down below. The third time, the night market itself was empty, had like 5 players running around, and the zones, the other two besides skittering, each had like one person running around in them. I just went and ran the zone to get the main quest for my faction done so I can try to do dailies if I ever felt like it. Dying several times in the process (twice deliberately so I could get to the portal out of that zone)
I am planning on using the GF if it has any groups in it, but as someone whose build is a mess, I feel somewhat hesitant to join a random group, because you never know what you are going to get, plus I have heard people talk about how they have joined groups, and those groups are further in the districts, and they were never able to make it to them. Or the group wipes and then disbands.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Not sure why theres so much "controversy" about this event zone.
Its as advertised, a difficult group zone.
Solo players are upset that the content not aimed for them....Isn't aimed at them?
There's some legitimate issues with the night market but this aint one of them.
I hope ZoS ignores those players and keeps the night market as it was intended.
As a group zone with some challenge.
Hopefully those players also eventually realise how fun it can be to group up with other players, join guilds and all the wonders of a MMO.
Either way, night market should remain as the group zone it was intended to be for this event.
It's wild that so much of this games community, for a MMO, has turned into "Playing as a group??? Thats only for the elitist 1%!!!"
Its as advertised, a difficult group zone.
Solo players are upset that the content not aimed for them....Isn't aimed at them?
There's some legitimate issues with the night market but this aint one of them.
I hope ZoS ignores those players and keeps the night market as it was intended.
As a group zone with some challenge.
Hopefully those players also eventually realise how fun it can be to group up with other players, join guilds and all the wonders of a MMO.
Either way, night market should remain as the group zone it was intended to be for this event.
It's wild that so much of this games community, for a MMO, has turned into "Playing as a group??? Thats only for the elitist 1%!!!"
Re: Nerfing WW further in Next Update for PvE?!
Why? Why can't WW stay on par with a 1bar Live DK and actually be viable in end-game things? Why should an entire playstyle be locked out of harder content? Why isn't WW allowed to be meta along with anything else? Why do people think less build diversity is better? Why do we have to live with it being nerfed again and again? It's going to get to a point where it lags behind EVERY CLASS once they get reworked at this rate.YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Quick reminder for all. Anyone can be in a vet trial. A 'good enough' group can throw someone in a corner, let them die, and carry on like nothing ever happened.
However, if long-standing PvE trifecta guild member (example name) 'notRalph1' tries to bring a werewolf into a Godslayer run, especially after these nerfs- they're telling him to swap regardless of who he is or what he's capable of. That's because unless there are legitimately inexperienced people in your trial, werewolf has a VERY LIKELY chance to be at the very bottom of any group CMX for DPS-on-target, especially when the trial requires movement or punishes melee.
And this is in comparison to non-reworked classes with decent 'class mastery' damage passives as well (because they have the option of range and better util to fit a group).
(notification just came in) Oooh, @Wup_sa is back again. I wonder (0.o) what they're going to say.
Honestly, if a WW wants a slot in an high-end prog then they will probably have to do so from within a WW guild.
That isn't shade on WW specifically but simply the reality that those sorts of things always seem to require adhering to hard meta requirements. The only way to avoid them is to make your own group and do it yourself. We've seen basically all non-Beam builds get vetoed for such content for years and they likely will continue to be vetoed because you run the mathematical best for your group or you are making the content more difficult than it needs to be.
I don't love that situation but non-meta specs (and, by definition, there will always be non-meta specs) would likely have a more productive time organizing amongst themselves to do content than trying to crash through the brick wall of existing high-end prog leads and their guilds.
ETA the 'you' in this isn't directed at you but is the general form of the word.
Yeah I really don't get this, we're talking about other one bar builds, why are they more entitled than WW is?
coop500
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Re: Nerfing WW further in Next Update for PvE?!
Well seems like WW will be stronger than a lot of subclassed setups in pve too. Pelican just posted 2 videos, parsin 185.7k (pve) and 101k (pvp) which is pretty crazy with just 3 skills.
Why is everyone overreacting to the nerfs?
NGL I don't fully trust what Pelican says, he hates WWs and will do anything to 'stick it to the furries'
I mean you can test it yourself on pts, he shows the builds in the videos as well (rele + aries cry). So you can fully replicate them yourself. And if it completely legit, at least to me 185.7k is huge damage in pve, considering the usual i see when im tanking.
Signet Ring too?
Also you're forgetting that damage is coming at a steep cost. To even use Aries cry you have to be a warden, so that's not WW power, that's class set power, which everyone is abusing.
That's also probably with the Signet ring mythic, which is also cracked and everyone is abusing.
All the while very limited, short range and narrow cleave (seriously try it yourself, WW cleave skill is the worst of Arcanist Beam and DK breath, it's narrow and short) or Single Target only, melee only, and limited utility, and juggling your ultimate steadily declining every ten seconds. And we're getting nerfs tomorrow.
Someone needs to provide a build NOT using broken sets like Signet and Aerie's Cry or it's just proving THOSE sets are over preforming.
If you're not going to use Signet and other BiS options then you need to do the same for every other class that you compare WW damage to for U50. Otherwise it is a completely disingenuous and skewed comparison intended to make WW appear weaker than it actually is.
Because like, yeah, obviously when you self-nerf and don't use the best options then your damage is going to be lower.
"Abusing" is such a loaded and overused term as well. I would suggest to avoid it, especially when used as a catch-all for anything that someone doesn't like. It isn't "abuse" unless it's leveraging unintended behavior. And as far as anyone knows, Signet is performing exactly as intended. Folk are using the tools available to them in the way that is intended.
Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
When Solstice came out on ESO+ a month or two ago, I was constantly forming and joining groups in chat, sharing quests etc. - it was very friendly and pleasant. I didn't need to form an 'official' group for the siege camps, as there were always at least a couple of players at each camp to help take the boss down.
I was expecting the same kind of experience with the Night Market. I didn't miss the fact that it was advertised as 'group content', and I wasn't put off. However the chat was dead, I saw one other player (who was as squishy as I was) and the one and only group in the Group Finder was so far away I died at least 20 times trying to get to them and then gave up.
It's too dismissive to say that players who don't like the Night Market missed the memo, or are anti-social and hate grouping. There's no soft grouping; zone chat is presumably 'per instance' rather than zone wide, so no finding any help there; and you may need multiple players for even the easiest faction quests (two players and our companions couldn't get past the trash mobs in my experience), which players might feel embarrassed posting a request in group finder for.
If people are enjoying it, fine. I gave it a crack and now I'm enjoying not doing it!
I was expecting the same kind of experience with the Night Market. I didn't miss the fact that it was advertised as 'group content', and I wasn't put off. However the chat was dead, I saw one other player (who was as squishy as I was) and the one and only group in the Group Finder was so far away I died at least 20 times trying to get to them and then gave up.
It's too dismissive to say that players who don't like the Night Market missed the memo, or are anti-social and hate grouping. There's no soft grouping; zone chat is presumably 'per instance' rather than zone wide, so no finding any help there; and you may need multiple players for even the easiest faction quests (two players and our companions couldn't get past the trash mobs in my experience), which players might feel embarrassed posting a request in group finder for.
If people are enjoying it, fine. I gave it a crack and now I'm enjoying not doing it!
Grec1a
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