4th evening.

Progressing as usual in terms of favor points. 5 new golden antiquity leads. Only 3 new relic fragments, but of course it's slowing down now that I need specific ones and don't get a new one with every boss kill.

I can already nagivate through the Spider District in my sleep, but I still have trouble finding those missing people (Why do I even need to find the same dead people every day?) and, to a lesser extent, the propaganda posters. I suspect the quests are sometimes bugged and the items and markers don't show up at all.

Chat was dead as usual. Bosses are spawned for a long time and no one kills them. You can wait there forever and no one comes by. I looked into the guild finder and there were only 5 posts at that time, none of them for my district.

I opened one myself and it actually took a bit of time until it was full (so they absolutely do not fill within seconds if you play at a more unusual time). Group filled to 12, one person left again immediately. Half of the group somehow got stuck elswhere and maybe a third died right when entering the district anyway. But they made it to the boss, after a while! And I got 2 missing fragments from that bronze one and the following silver one. Which was all I wanted.

If "soft grouping" - not seeking for group members in a menu or forming a group before entering, but just organically running with some people you meet in the district - is one intended playstyle for this zone, it really needs some improvements to make coming across other players easier. You can really stay at one location near a boss or spawn point for half an eternity and see no one.

CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »

If the boss still has a lot of health, click respawn and make your way back to the fight to prevent the encounter from resetting if everyone dies.

BUT, if the boss is almost dead, just stay dead and you will still be considered as part of the encounter. Then once the boss dies you should see the chest spawn and can then click respawn and make your way back to the chest to loot it. This only works if you are in a group or if you have active hots or buffs up on other players in the encounter.

So you have to stay dead while playing the game in order to play the game? Lol. niceeeeee

I've been to Night Market several times. There is hardly anyone there. That reality offers a stark contrast to previous expansions, when newly-opened map areas would be swarming with players in the wake of a chapter release.

In the past, ESO expansions included new world areas with story quests geared toward solo play along with dungeons and trials designed for group play. This expansion offers nothing for "casual" players who tend to play solo; it is geared toward the "hardcore" gamers who chase after builds that make the most of the current meta. It is not surprising that casual players are deciding to pass on Night Market. However, most of the hardcode folks seem to be ignoring it as well, despite assertions made by the players who are defending it so vigorously in the comments on this thread.

Unfortunately for Zenimax, "casual" gamers are the ones who have been keeping ESO alive for all these years. The "hardcore" folks have shown themselves to be fickle; when they feel the game is not challenging enough, they go away and play other games until some new patch catches their interest. The "casual" players keep right on playing ESO, spending money on subscriptions and cosmetics. Night Market offers nothing for those "casual" players who have been subsidizing the game.

Perhaps the next "event" will offer something to entice "casual" players to stick around. Zenimax should be worried about how many of those "casual" players are going to drift away in the meantime.

RaikaNA wrote: »

What is the point behind the faction selection idea for this event? Everyone is joining the winning team. Ruckus and glittering don't stand a chance of winning because there are too many people who are joining Eyes. This is a failure for sure.



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The biggest problem is "winning" just means "more population". This was even said during PTS. At a minimum, the score should've been population-adjusted. But really, the competition never made since. You're encouraged to group up with and work with other faction members, and you can't even see what faction other players belong to. And so despite this not being an actual competitive environment (unlike Cyrodiil) and despite the scoring mechanism being meaningless since it's just measuring population count, ZOS decided to take up a significant chunk of your screen with an ever-persistent scoreboard when such a scoreboard doesn't even exist in Cyrodiil!

25+ people, 19+ people, and late night 13+. It is a group activity, some guilds are going harder than others. This guild has been going hard like this nearly every night since it opened. Kudos to the GM and team.

Athory wrote: »

Let me get this straight, the [snip] market is basically trash, most players either hate it or don’t even bother with it, and you we’re expecting it to be full? Why, exactly? Because a handful of people enjoy it? Well… congratulations, you’ve got them inside. Oh wait, a few might be offline. Don’t worry, just hang around. They’ll be back eventually… And if you’re outside the Thousand Eyes zone… well, just go solo! ZOS designed it for groups, but hey, solo players should be able to… manage, right? Go on, try it solo... after all, the [snip] market is so unbelievably fun, right?

So far most people in my guilds love it.
Maybe you have problems forming a group? I'm having a lot of fun.

Syldras wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

im not sure if the issue is poor reading comprehension if zos has to spell everything out in extremely explicit terminology, or if their terminology was too vague, or a little bit of both

How does it have to do anything with reading comprehension if words like "hard" are entirely subjective? For a person who does overland only, a person who sometimes solos normal dungeons, and someone who has a regular trial group, the idea of "hard" will most likely be a completely different one.

If I read an article adressed at the ESO playerbase as a whole, I would expect it to take the perspective of the "average player" when it describes a difficulty - problem is, no one except for ZOS has stats about what the "average player" can do or not, so we might also all have different ideas of that. So instead of vague terms like "hard" or "easy", people need to know the scale or get some comparison so they know what exactly is meant.

Not sure what the problem with precise wording is. Scientific writings are precise. Well-written news articles are precise. Good manuals are precise, too. An article about history saying "sometime in the 17th century there was some bad disease and lots of people died" would be considered nonsense, as would a cooking recipe telling you to use "a few eggs, a bit of butter and not too much sugar".

I also don't think terms like "vet content", "group content" or "content on the diffculty level of dungeons/vet dungeons/trials" is "extremely explicity terminology".

In the end it doesn't matter - we can clearly see the current drama, and I'd rather not see that happening again as it harms the game.

i base what they based on the "overland" difficulty as that is their "standard" difficulty

when they say hard and recommended grouping, im thinking at least vet dungeon difficulty at a minimum

i know difficulty is subjective, but zos bases it on the current game difficulty, they arent just going to say it without any context

would it have been better for them to say "challenging to solo" instead of hard? and i already know your answer, the answer will be no because no matter what they describe for difficulty, someone will complain because difficulty as you said is subjective

so i always assume their "base" difficulty they talk about is overland/normal dungeons, and "hard" is vet dungeons or above