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Re: I’m so angry....
This could have all been answered by the statemant "Google is your friend", as any good will has gone with your constant posting and demands that players answer "YOUR" problems without effort from yourself!
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
@ZOS_Kevin I want to chime in as someone who predominantly plays this game solo, the Night Market the way it is now is exactly what's been missing from this game.
It is difficult, yes. Nigh-impossible to solo even. And that's a good thing.
This is good MMO content right here. It's a reason for people to group up. It's a reason for guilds (other than social and trading guilds) to exist.
If everything in this game is so easy it can be soloed, there is no point to this game being an online multiplayer.
Would a single-player TES game with optional coop be cool? Yes, of course.
But ESO was made to be an MMO, not a RPG with optional co-op. There is no point in trying to undo that decision now by limiting ourselves to having only soloable content.
There is plenty of solo content in this game already. The people that are complaining are only complaining because not all content is solo player content. It's the same people that selfishly advocate for the removal of PvP so solo questing in Cyrodiil can happen and the same people that in the past have cheered for nerfs targetting the perceived "elite" that in hindsight only made the game more difficult for the average player.
Fun is subjective and people are trying to pass off their subjective enjoyment (or lack thereof) as objective feedback concerning the health of the game. That's not the same.
I also want to point out that my time in the Night Market has, to me at least, brought back memories of Imperial City's glory days. Content that you can grind, that you want to grind yet isn't "a grind". Something you and your guild can spend hours and hours doing, not because you feel pressured to do it, but because you want to and because it feels worth it.
I've been helping out in groups as tank to help people tackle the Skirmishes, the keys, etc, because "it's too difficult". This is the stuff that brings people together. It's all of us together against the challenging content. And then you win.
That's the fun.
Should the Night Market not return beyond the three initial runs, some of the learnings from it could definitely be applied to revive Imperial City somewhat. The core loop present in the Night Market is something crucial which Imperial City has been lacking.
It is difficult, yes. Nigh-impossible to solo even. And that's a good thing.
This is good MMO content right here. It's a reason for people to group up. It's a reason for guilds (other than social and trading guilds) to exist.
If everything in this game is so easy it can be soloed, there is no point to this game being an online multiplayer.
Would a single-player TES game with optional coop be cool? Yes, of course.
But ESO was made to be an MMO, not a RPG with optional co-op. There is no point in trying to undo that decision now by limiting ourselves to having only soloable content.
There is plenty of solo content in this game already. The people that are complaining are only complaining because not all content is solo player content. It's the same people that selfishly advocate for the removal of PvP so solo questing in Cyrodiil can happen and the same people that in the past have cheered for nerfs targetting the perceived "elite" that in hindsight only made the game more difficult for the average player.
Fun is subjective and people are trying to pass off their subjective enjoyment (or lack thereof) as objective feedback concerning the health of the game. That's not the same.
I also want to point out that my time in the Night Market has, to me at least, brought back memories of Imperial City's glory days. Content that you can grind, that you want to grind yet isn't "a grind". Something you and your guild can spend hours and hours doing, not because you feel pressured to do it, but because you want to and because it feels worth it.
I've been helping out in groups as tank to help people tackle the Skirmishes, the keys, etc, because "it's too difficult". This is the stuff that brings people together. It's all of us together against the challenging content. And then you win.
That's the fun.
Should the Night Market not return beyond the three initial runs, some of the learnings from it could definitely be applied to revive Imperial City somewhat. The core loop present in the Night Market is something crucial which Imperial City has been lacking.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
- Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
- Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
To answer the core questions asked:
Q: Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
A: No.
Q:Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
A: No.
Just following up here generally. We hear the feedback from solo players about the Night Market content. We want to follow up with just few things.
We have no intention of pushing solo players out of the game. However, we started this year off by noting that we were going to try some new things. Night Market is one of them. While we always provide group players with trials, we also wanted to try something different. This was not to alienate solo players, but rather to add a new way to play. That being said, we do hear the feedback and have passed that on our teams for future consideration, especially for when Night Market comes back later in the year. Remember, part of the ethos of this event is to add to it over time.
As several have noted in this thread as well, we have a roadmap that is publicly available. The point of the roadmap is to showcase the content we have coming throughout the year. As is noted on the roadmap and current PTS testing, we have plenty of solo friendly content as well. Thieves Guild and Sheogorath Questlines, Favors system, Rumors system, Two Solo Dungeons, Sage's Vault, and the list can keep going. And that is all on top of existing content. We also understand that not every piece of content will be for everyone, and that is okay.
We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bare repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.
We'll close with this. Last year, we saw many threads throughout the year asking us to address content and find new ways of renewing the gameplay experience, both in variety and challenge. We are in the first passes of this now with items like Night Market going live. But we will have content throughout the year to address both solo and group play within the community. The feedback is helpful to steer us on the right track. So thanks to everyone, both solo players and group players, who have given their constructive feedback regarding the Night Market. The team is taking a look at what can be done during this current running and what can be adjusted for the next run of the Night Market.
Thank you Kevin, we love you Kevin!!!
I’m really glad to hear ZOS wants to give group players content focused on them, rather than everything having to be for everyone (before people call me a gatekeeper, I say this because if all content is for everyone, it’ll never be anything but easy and boring once you’ve progressed far enough since the difficulty has to be averaged). I do want to touch on “while we always provide group players with trials” just to be clear— dungeons and trials are both group PvE endgame activities but the communities are a venn diagram, not a circle. Even in the overlap, in my experience people lean more towards one content or the other.
Night Market does in a way feel like a love letter to the dungeon community and for that I am grateful. Some say it was a bad move to reuse existing mechanics but for me, that’s the one part of IA I like— seeing dungeon mechanics and bosses in a different context. It’s different to me than you guys taking that razor fire line mechanic from dread cellar, putting it in dreadsail trash, and then putting it in oathsworn pit…
I do hope you guys are still thinking about the pts feedback for hard modes though, I’ll post in the feedback thread after I’ve done the dungeons but I’ve been hearing from guildies that they’re boringly easy.
Anyway, after hearing that the content is for groups and will continue to have groups as its focus… I think I don’t want a normal version of Night Market actually… I said in the feedback thread that some of the trash enemies could use some nerfing, and I still stand by that, but we need content like Night Market (and dungeon challenger rewards!) to push and pull people out of their comfort zone to TRY content that they thought they’d never be good enough for/never would like/etc. Maybe they’ll still not like it… but maybe they’ll realize they enjoy it (I HATED pvp… until I killed someone!). Without these draws, midgame will continue to die (I hear it’s pretty dead already). Without midgame, endgame will wither out eventually from people leaving but not enough replacing (I dropped my guild from challengers and tris to veterans, challengers, and tris because the guild was dying, though there were other things at play, our reputation as an elite guild seemed to be one of the two big problems). Hearing someone say they tried their first trial because of Night Market… people joining groups for the first time… and my experience of players from mid game to scorepush all fighting one boss together… I think Night Market as it is is important for the health of the game past casual play.
Soarora
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Re: Night Market Opinion Poll
heimdall14_9 wrote: »boy oh boy this weekend has been fun working on last gilded for 2nd trial run , awards aint great but not one that really cares too ,
i would like to see them do more with the key system having to get them each and every time you want to do an activity get to be to much of a grind , if they would add in MASTER KEYS that you get at end of trial
1st master key for argents ( no longer needing to do 6 argents to fight gildeds)
2nd master key is for gildeds making it so you can do trial freely as well as argents, gildeds , making the NM fully opened o do the things you fine most enjoyable or get side achievements without feeling the pressure of grinding keys to re-run it
I think these master keys are a bad idea.
Within a couple of days nobody would run anymore the brazen and argents, which is a disaster for accumulating favor and which who leave players who would jump in later in the Night Market in the cold.
Eliahnus
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
BloodstainedFay wrote: »As someone who primarily plays alone, doing all sorts of content from story to ToT to Cyro PvP to crafting & furnishing. It is actually crazy to me to see that a game which is 90% soloable, essentially braindead easy singleplayer content is getting so much, and I mean so much, backlash for adding a single piece of challenging group content (for FREE!)- especially when they've also announced solo modes for group dungeons (adding yet another avenue for solo players to enjoy themselves!)
The Night Market ain't pushing y'all out, but sometimes it seems like solo players want everyone else gone.
i am not sure the backlash is "so much"; i think this is highly skewed and I bet zos analytics show a ton of engagement with the nm because the market is crazy full with groups...
Its just that in such a forum a very loud minority can make it seem like they represent 90% of the opinion even if its only 10...
you can see that very good when you compare with something like reddit where threads get weighted based on momentum and the result in general is a way more positive vibe and also way more positive topics about night market than negative ones because of the difference in engagement...
Re: [Housing / Night Market] Night Market Merchants inaccessible when NM closes - cannot buy furnishings
yes!
i wish at least the Starlit Plaza stayed open.
Or maybe move the faction merchant to Fargeave or Coldharbour.
Yeah. If not open, CH like the Antiquities would be fine, since not everyone has Fargrave
MoonPile
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Re: To Devs: Aetheric Lancer QOL Suggestion
There's also something to be said about set simplicity, and minimizing it's impact on the servers. (However small it might be) Just removing the AoE condition completely would be my recommendation. If you must keep it, make it larger, and spawn on us rather than the enemy.
Dalinar4
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
From reading some of these threads I keep feeling that everyone has a different definition of what a solo player actually is.
- Is it someone who only plays alone and never interacts with others directly or indirectly and runs off when there is already someone doing a dolmen, delve or world boss.
- Is it someone who only plays alone but joins other people organically in the world when others are doing a world boss or incursion.
- Is it someone who only who only plays alone but uses the dungeon and group finder to find others to play but doesn’t not interact and treats other group members as NPCs ( this is what I am)
- Is it people who only solo group content like dungeons in veteran or hard mode.
I see the line between all those types of players is very blurry.
- Is it someone who only plays alone and never interacts with others directly or indirectly and runs off when there is already someone doing a dolmen, delve or world boss.
- Is it someone who only plays alone but joins other people organically in the world when others are doing a world boss or incursion.
- Is it someone who only who only plays alone but uses the dungeon and group finder to find others to play but doesn’t not interact and treats other group members as NPCs ( this is what I am)
- Is it people who only solo group content like dungeons in veteran or hard mode.
I see the line between all those types of players is very blurry.
Re: Empower change to 100% is still a nerf for Rakkhat's Voidmantle heavy attack builds
Rakkhat on live roughly buffs Heavy Attacks by 85% with Empower being multiplicative adding to it.
50% buff multiplied by 70% = 85% buff given.
Now with the new calculations, it drops down to a 50% buff.
It is great that Empower was buffed again but Rakkhats doesn't provide enough power increase to be worth losing Magicka restore on heavies. Especially that I usually have to run Mag regen food to compensate so I lose out on full Mag food buffs.
50% buff multiplied by 70% = 85% buff given.
Now with the new calculations, it drops down to a 50% buff.
It is great that Empower was buffed again but Rakkhats doesn't provide enough power increase to be worth losing Magicka restore on heavies. Especially that I usually have to run Mag regen food to compensate so I lose out on full Mag food buffs.
xStaticx
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Re: [Housing / Night Market] Night Market Merchants inaccessible when NM closes - cannot buy furnishings
yes!
i wish at least the Starlit Plaza stayed open.
Or maybe move the faction merchant to Fargeave or Coldharbour.
i wish at least the Starlit Plaza stayed open.
Or maybe move the faction merchant to Fargeave or Coldharbour.
