@Athory More bolded text, you can do better, no? And swearing at me? Yikes.


I could do better but everyone else has already pointed everything out to you already and you won't listen. This is group content and was advertised as such. The rare cases where you could solo it, they gave HEAVY caveats about how that would look.

Not all content in an MMO is soloable. Are you also going to be sad you can't do vet trials and vet dungeons and all other kinds of vet, group content? I don't do all content either..... for example, cyrodiil and IC are pretty scary for me. But during PvP events, I find a group who enjoys that, and if I feel I want the FOMO sort of content/achieves (and can't just buy it from gold I acquired doing things I do like)- I get it and then go back to what I like more.

You can do the same. Maybe Night Market (which is its name, not sure why you keep saying "snip," It's very immature of you) isn't for you- and that's OK! Just...... don't do it?

Solo March of Sacrifices and Moon Hunter Keep are coming. Obviously solo players are still getting plenty of attention. But others have already TOLD you that.

There are a lot of people grouping and running the content via guilds and group finder. Some will always complain. At least in my social guild, there was such demand this weekend that we had to run a group every day and it generally overflowed into a second one (or extra people tagged along when there wasn't someone to organize the second group). These are largely newer or casual players; though we run normal trials, this is not some hardcore endgame guild. We actually have not seen such a level of demand or participation by guildies in *anything* for a couple years.

Just because some people are posting repetitively and complaining (and perhaps people in their circles are doing so too) does not mean "the majority" doesn't want this content; just as its popularity in my social guild is anecdotal as well. In the end zos will of course look at the feedback, but also the actual numbers and judge the event's success (and what future changes might be in order) for themselves I imagine.

Personally I like it, though there are some issues that I brought up in the feedback thread. It's one of the more social and challenging things that's happened in a while. Glad they're trying new things because my opinion was that the game was becoming stagnant!

AScarlato wrote: »

I like the Night's Den more. Love the house and it's special features. I haven't really bothered with my Elsewyr house.

The house also excited me enough to do my very first ESO trial in 6 years for that 150 favor. Ezabi is not happy this vault isn't open yet.

This is so awesome to hear! I'm so curious. Did you enjoy it? Would you do other trials?

As for the house, I think it's cool and furnished well. It's different for sure and will have guild bank access I hear. Definitely a must have.

Koshka wrote: »

Athory wrote: »

Unless we go off-topic… right. Then the topic will stay until 2099.

That's one thing I don't understand about this kind of threads. If you have so much free time and you want the NM rewards, you could've just helped your fellow solo questers by making a nontoxic quiet group for likeminded people. This way everyone would be happier.
Or, if you don't want any of the rewards, you could just not participate. Letting go of fomo greatly improves your gaming experience.

You don't even need to do that. Just travel to a guild mate or join a group, be polite and help them with like one boss, and then leave that group. Then you'll be in an instance where there are other players and you'll be able to know exactly which district they're in. You win and the group wins and you get to play mostly by yourself, if that's your preference. Most of the group finder groups people aren't even talking a lot in. It's mostly other casual and solo players who want to participate in the night market and can't do it without a group. They do not play with any sort of communication or coordination beyond maybe explaining mechanics during a skirmish.

I know some of the people leaving feedback about it being too difficult for a casual player have not actually tried to play that way because if they did they'd see that it's not at all like a vet trial. Rather they're going in there by themselves with builds that don't include much in the way of self defense and having a bad time because they're ending up in empty instances that they don't have the build to do alone.

MMOs & Groups:
Everquest had 72-player raids. That's 6 groups of 12.

And if you died, you didn't respawn with your gear - you had to run naked, from the last city you bound in, back to the same location in your raid before the monsters spawned. You had to revisit your body to loot your gear.

WoW had 40-man raids, then 10 & 25-man raids since WotLK. They've added other sizes since then.

MMOs have always had content demanding far larger groups than ESO ever has. The 4-man & 12-man teams in ESO are casual friendly; the Group Finder is casual friendly.


The Night Market is not Overland / Difficulty+ content. That stuff releases later this year.

The Night Market is more akin to a "pre-Trial" zone. You kill Bosses to unlock Dungeon Bosses; you kill Dungeon Bosses to reach the Trial. The "target audience" enjoying it are folks intimidated by Dungeons, Trials & Veteran content - suddenly realizing "oh hey, this isn't so bad". They see even "pros" die. They see that teamwork & rezzing folks means even a low-level can save the team. The zones have quests, races, puzzles that can be soloed - most mob packs too. I've killed a Boss with just 4 people (like any Dungeon).

The Night Market is not Overland.
The Night Market is a warm-up for Group/Dungeon/Trial content.

And it's a brilliant one, considering how many timid players are realizing "oh wow, I can totally do this".

Athory wrote: »

Unless we go off-topic… right. Then the topic will stay until 2099.

That's one thing I don't understand about this kind of threads. If you have so much free time and you want the NM rewards, you could've just helped your fellow solo questers by making a nontoxic quiet group for likeminded people. This way everyone would be happier.
Or, if you don't want any of the rewards, you could just not participate. Letting go of fomo greatly improves your gaming experience.

MachineGod wrote: »

I don't know, Could it be feedback like this simply does not help at all? All vague points with no actual meaningful points for ZOS to consider.

There are people who take a lot of time to detailedly list bugs and problems on the PTS forums, including all necessary info. I've also come across several cases now where a dev even gave the reply that a specific issue had been fixed - sometimes it then even was fixed on PTS, but for some reason the same bug showed up again when the content went live. Many regular PTS testers have been frustrated over this, so the whole thing could need some improvement.

I love each individual section of the Lunar Champion house, but like others mentioned I think the portal thing is a negative, and is kind of awkward IMO, unless you're making something like a Mages Guild out of the place or something else where portals feel appropriate.

I think I like both the Lunar Champion and the Night's Den equally. They both have things about them that are awkward to work around for me and both have positives. I'm finding using Fargrave structure pieces to fix a bit of the awkward stuff in Night's Den. I was only ever happy with the Lunar Champion when I blocked all the portals off and only used the entrance zone to make a simple khajiiti library.

@ZOS_Kevin

Is this working as intended? Coin/Event houses (and Gold Coast Bazaar is specifically run on an in-game currency like coins) have unbound furniture so shouldn't the version on GCB for consistency?