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Re: Dev Team Request: A Top 5 List of Bugs and Pain Points You Would Like Addressed
No bugs come to mind immediately but here are pain points:
1) The player over reliance on addons is wayyy out of hand. Super useful ones like TTC need a whole bunch of other addons to work, then THEY need a whole bunch of even MORE addons to work and it’s never ending just to get a feature that should really be a part of the game itself. Market stats of TTC, DPS spreadsheet gobbledegook of combat metrics and Lazy Writ Crafter are the 3 big main ones that players rely heavily upon so perhaps there’s a way to make these a part of the game to ease off addon reliance for quality of life.
2) Addons again - Whichever one shows you what OTHER players’ DPS is should be straight up banned. It appears used mainly to shame other less parse obsessed damage dealers for not hitting meta numbers. I’ve been a DD since starting the game and have had plenty of folk sneering at my efforts but was finally bullied out of the role entirely a couple of weeks ago so now I’m enjoying vet group content as a healer whilst using my old DD build for overland. It’s amazing how the stress just evaporated! However, no doubt players will have been bullied out of the game entirely rather than just their roles, so nuking the ability to see other folks DPS in any way (except a build screenshot since that’s consensual) would help ease the hostility and elitism from certain parts of the playerbase especially during pug content.
3) Pleeease focus less on releasing these massive and expensive but still very nice houses like Pantherfang Chapel that can’t be decorated properly without closing off massive chunks of them. In terms of crown cost/value, slots and creative versatility, Hiddenspring Cottage is the best in the game by far imo and I’d be so much more inclined to spend money on similar to that than anything bigger.
4) More just an aesthetic thing but there should really be summoning animations for companions and merchants. Just a little portal or something for them to appear from rather than just fading into existence would be a simple but much more immersive option : )
5) More of an idea rather than a pain point - That animation which I think is at the end of the Solsice quest line where you actually see your own character in a tailored cutscene killing the boss dramatically is FANTASTIC. Perhaps this could be a way to end all main questlines going forward?^^
1) The player over reliance on addons is wayyy out of hand. Super useful ones like TTC need a whole bunch of other addons to work, then THEY need a whole bunch of even MORE addons to work and it’s never ending just to get a feature that should really be a part of the game itself. Market stats of TTC, DPS spreadsheet gobbledegook of combat metrics and Lazy Writ Crafter are the 3 big main ones that players rely heavily upon so perhaps there’s a way to make these a part of the game to ease off addon reliance for quality of life.
2) Addons again - Whichever one shows you what OTHER players’ DPS is should be straight up banned. It appears used mainly to shame other less parse obsessed damage dealers for not hitting meta numbers. I’ve been a DD since starting the game and have had plenty of folk sneering at my efforts but was finally bullied out of the role entirely a couple of weeks ago so now I’m enjoying vet group content as a healer whilst using my old DD build for overland. It’s amazing how the stress just evaporated! However, no doubt players will have been bullied out of the game entirely rather than just their roles, so nuking the ability to see other folks DPS in any way (except a build screenshot since that’s consensual) would help ease the hostility and elitism from certain parts of the playerbase especially during pug content.
3) Pleeease focus less on releasing these massive and expensive but still very nice houses like Pantherfang Chapel that can’t be decorated properly without closing off massive chunks of them. In terms of crown cost/value, slots and creative versatility, Hiddenspring Cottage is the best in the game by far imo and I’d be so much more inclined to spend money on similar to that than anything bigger.
4) More just an aesthetic thing but there should really be summoning animations for companions and merchants. Just a little portal or something for them to appear from rather than just fading into existence would be a simple but much more immersive option : )
5) More of an idea rather than a pain point - That animation which I think is at the end of the Solsice quest line where you actually see your own character in a tailored cutscene killing the boss dramatically is FANTASTIC. Perhaps this could be a way to end all main questlines going forward?^^
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Static Reverberation
This passive was a huge problem for pvp week 1. It was in a fine state after getting adjusted to 0.5 seconds. Its now back to being too powerful with 0.3 seconds cool down and being buffed to base 5% proc rate.
Part of the problem comes from sorc being too good at being able to proc it. 5% proc base doesnt sound like much but consider that a regular status effect build can deal up to 10 instances of seperate damage per second. For example
1-Vateshran destro proc
2-Burning status effect from vateshran
3-Light attack
4-Concussion from thread of war
5-Crushing shock (frost)
6-Crushing shock (fire)
7-Crushing shock (shock)
8-Chill from crushing shock
9-Burning from crushing shock
10- Concussion from crushing shock
11-Hurricane
10+ instances of seperate damage in a single second with a 5% base proc chance at full hp, skyrocketing to a certainty at lower health thresholds. This isnt just limited to this specific scenario either, bound armamant is 4 instance of seperate damage by itself and is by itself a burst damage and the burst damage having near certainty to proc additional damage turns it from a burst to an easy execute. In fact it turns basically everything in sorcs arsenal to an execute extremely easily.
Malevolent Promise was excluded from pvp for being too war crimey, well, this passive is the actual war crime. Please consider adding a once per second clause to it with battle spirit active. Proccing an extra instance of damage every second easily makes it one of the best pure class passives in the game, simply makes it less toxic by preventing it from being oppressive in pvp.
I have to disagree here.
You’re right about being able to stack stand effects but re-read your own post. Out of the 10 sources of status application only one comes from Sorc … just one.
Nothing else on that list is Sorc Specific which means that being a Sorc doesn’t make those skills any more effective. It’s not as though Sorcs can synergize those status effects better than any other class because any and every other class can slot 9 out of those 10 abilities, it’s just that Sorcs have the passive.
To be honest the main status I see Sorcs using here is Overcharge rather than any of the elementals and that’s really leaning a bit on LA & scribing, also outside of the class skill set.
Running a status effect build can hit hard in PvP but it leaves the build open to quite a lot because in order to maximize it requires specific supporting gear and attention to their mitigation. A status-effect Sorc vs a subclassed crit meta build, for example, is going to have a run for their money because they’re going to have to keep up shields & heal in a rotation versus just spamming LA + skill weaves.
Sorcs are not in a good place. I don’t know who thinks that but this observation really is evidence of that if Sorcs are leaning on status effect output rather than their own class skills.
These passives need to hit hard and the buff makes sense, it provides for a viable means to be competitive in the scope of subclasses builds until the Sorc refresh, which is the whole point. Static at 0.3 & 5% is where it needs to be.
What does the source of the skill have to do with anything? Are you guys just trying to be funny?
Because your argument is that Sorcs are somehow better able to make use of applying status effects.
That, factually, isn’t true because 90% of the sources of applying those status effects are available to every player, they’re not Sorc specific.
This means that, no, Sorcs do not have some extra benefit when it comes to applying status effects, anyone can use Crushing Shock, anyone can run Vateshran, anyone can light attack with a Destro staff, etc.
If Sorcs had clad specific skills that were better able to apply status effects then, yes, you’d be right; Sorcs would have an easier time than other classes but that isn’t the case.
I don’t think it’s right to ask for a passive to be nerfed simply because it synergizes with world skills; especially when the class skills for the class in question are so poor.
Using status effects as a main source of damage in PvP is both interesting and risky; and really only works if the player is running the Signet mythic, which, anyone else can slot too. This leaves a build like that open to quite a lot in PvP despite having some descent damage potential but is far from OP.
My argument is that sorc has an easy time proccing Static Reverbation passive. I'm sorry to say that literally everything you are talking about is irrelevant to the topic...
I'll put it in simple terms to be better understood. We dont consider Wild Adaptation weak because warden can maintain at most chilled and maybe hemorrhaging with its base class skills. We consider it strong because with elemental susceptibility, blood for blood and various other sets and skills warden is able to reach and maintain a respectable number of status effects.
Obviously we dont treat class masteries in a vacuum with only the class skills. That would be, absurd, ill put a stop to this nonsense that non class skills has to be disregarded while considering class masteries. I will also ask you to reconsider your bias on sorc, it seems to be clouding your judgment.
And what myself and others are telling you is that Sorcs don’t have as easy of a time proccing the passive as you seem to think.
Remember, Static doesn’t just proc per instance of damage, it procs per instance of damage within the 0.3s timeframe. So if a Sorc tosses Crushing Shock and deals 3 instances of damage all at once, then that counts as “one” for the purposes of Static because all 3 occurred at the same time and the passive has the 0.3s cooldown, so effectively, 2 out of the 3 instances don’t contribute to the passive.
Nobody is saying that you consider Mastery passives in a vacuum, what I’m saying is that you have to consider the current state of Sorc skills as they are now in the context of how much strength these passives should or should not have. Plus, Sorcs pay a penalty for having to slot world skills over their class skills in that they take a hit to their output in doing so which goes toward being able to proc Static in the first place.
When I talk about Sorcs using skills outside of their class it is relevant because Sorcs have no reliable spammable burst. Just about every class has at least one skill that’s a reliable heavy burst spam.
When you consider that Static only reliably procs after the targets health gets below a certain point you can see where this raises a problem for Sorcs in PvP, they need burst and they don’t have it and world skills only partially deliver on this.
In PvP, with Sorc having no heavy bursts and target players having strong self healing available, getting a target down to a low enough health for Static to do any consistent numbers isn’t as easy as you’re saying. Out of, let’s say, 5 or 6 instances of damage per GCD Static might proc once, and that’s only once their health hit gets lowered.
If Sorcs had a class skill like Merciless that scaled really high and could thereby chunk a players health in one burst and then allow Static to kick in and help the Sorc keep the targets health lower and keep applying the passive, then maybe you’d have a point but that’s not the case and no world skill is that strong either.
For comparison, Burning Light, for example, will proc FAR more consistently over the course of combat and do more damage than Static will since it can apply persistently, not just when targets are lower health.
Sorcs cannot realistically proc Static more than once per second, even though the passive cooldown is only 0.3s because Sorcs don’t have access to any skills that apply damage in fractional increments. Dealing multiple instances of damage all at the same time does not count each instance toward the passive.
Further, you have the health barrier to consider so the realistic amount of proc that can happen is far less than you’re thinking and testing shows that.
Even at relatively high health treshold like 85% hp 5 instances of damage with 20% proc chance each isnt a low proc rate and its basically a guarantee at even lower health tresholds.
But as you say if ''Sorcs cannot realistically proc Static more than once per second, even though the passive cooldown is only 0.3s because Sorcs don’t have access to any skills that apply damage in fractional increments. Dealing multiple instances of damage all at the same time does not count each instance toward the passive. '' than you wouldnt mind if the passive was adjusted to proc only once per second with battle spirit active so i have no idea why you are trying to argue with me when you agree with me.
Btw the skill you are looking for is BA ...
That’s not how this passive works.
If one deals 5 simultaneous instances of damage to a target they do not get a 20% chance EACH to proc. All 5 would constitute one chance and against a target that has 85% health that would be one 20% chance (5% base plus 15%, 1% for each missing percent of target health).
In order to get 5 chances to apply Static a Sorc would need to apply damage 5 separate times (not just 5 instances) which would mean 5 GCD or 5 seconds. Which takes me back to my original point that over 5 to 6 applications of damage (aka 5 or 6 seconds) this passive would likely proc once.
That’s nowhere near a guarantee proc chance. Plus, the damage doesn’t scale that awful high either, not given how limited the proc chance is.
Further, it’s only the BASE chance that’s 5%, it’s not 5% per missing health. It’s 5% plus 1% per missing health.
There is zero scenario where this passive has a 55%chance to apply damage against a target that has 90% health; that’s just factually wrong and it seems people might be confused as to how this passive actually works.
Now, yes; BA does apply at 0.3 increments, however, that’s the only available skill that aligns with the adjusted cooldown of Static and it’s not readily spammable, requiring a charge and it doesn’t scale anywhere near the damage of, say, Merciless. It’s not a burst and a full charge takes 1.3 seconds to fully execute, which, is why in PvP it’s not a commonly used skill. It’s just too slow and doesn’t deal enough damage in PvP to really be viable. So, again, on paper or just looking at tool tip, yes, one might think BA is a good skill to synergize with Static in PvP but the problem is neither scale to any strong damage value and none align with the strong burst damage PvP demands so there’s not really a good use case for the combo.
I PvP every day and I’ve rarely ever seen BA and I can understand why. It’s just not a good skill and I don’t think anyone is going to slot it just to try and proc Static. BA actually adds longer pacing potential to Static due to the charge full charge up factor so if anything BA holds this passive back even more.
Of course you can proc it more than once with a single skill, no its not hard and no it doesnt take a single gcd per proc.
Here is a single BA proccing it 3 times
Here is a single RS doing the same
Here is me proccing it 4 times a second with nothing but a la and a skill. Keep in mind that proccing it 4 times a sec should be hard because of the 0.3 sec cd but again, no it isnt because nobody deals all their damage in 0.3 sec intervals anyway, trying to fit all your damage in that little time bubble would actually be harder than not proccing it multiple times.
So yes i agree with you, proccing this passive more than once a second shouldnt be a thing with battle spirit active and i really hope Zos takes notice and adjusts it accordingly ...
You’re not proccing it 3 or 4 times per second, you’re proccing it 3 or 4 times per skill.
In the case of BA, yes, that is the only skill where 3 out of the 4 procs can occur within one second, the 4th would spill into the following second. But there’s a caveat here with BA in that in order to do this you have to have at least 3 or 4 charges, otherwise one cannot do this. BA isn’t a spammable skill so it’s not accurate to say that a Sorc could just use this skill as a means to excessively proc the passive in PvP.
Rapid Strikes takes more than a second to complete and more than 0.3 per strike to deliver so, yes, while it can proc multiple occurrences of the passive, it’s not doing so in less than a second it’s doing so per application which goes to pacing.
Lastly, using the skills on a low health target dummy isn’t reflective of actual PvP combat because you can whittle the health down and ensure a high proc chance which ignores the entire duration of wearing the health down, when the passive wasn’t proccing.
Get into a duel or any PvP venue and we won’t see these same results so when I say testing doesn’t show what your complaint is about that’s what I mean. Dummy parsing only shows that multiple instances of the passive can occur, which we all know, what it doesn’t show is the multiple instances happening collectively in under one second or in a PvP situation.
The only skill that can proc in less than a second is BA but for the charge up pacing reasons I mentioned before it’s not a reliable source of consistent proc which means it’s definitely not broken or in need of a nerf.
NxJoeyD
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Re: The Night Market event is already dead?
Been using the forum for about a week, and it's been interesting to see how things work here. How much do you think the Night Market discussion on the forum reflects the real reception of the event in the game? Is the forum kind of a bubble or is it representative?
Welcome. I’ve been here for a while and honestly? Still not sure. Around the communities I’m in, the forum has a reputation as being full of toxic casuals, so there’s only a handful or so of endgame PvE (and I presume the same is to be said for PvP?) players because people don’t want to join and comment for ZOS to ignore their comment and for them to get swarmed with toxicity (self fulfilling prophecy… one reason why I’m here). I make no statement of my own opinion of the forum, its people, or ZOS. This is just the sentiment people seem to have around me.
Soarora
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Re: Anyone find the new DK visual design utterly DOMINATES the visual field in every group fight now?
Yes, and I love it.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Feedback #8, this one's rather negative...
I made an attempt to put together a guild run to do the full gameplay loop -- Brazen, Argent, Gilded, and then Opulent...
So, for one, not everyone had the relics. Okay, that was on me for not making that a clear cutoff. Had to scramble to replace...
For two, we were all together for the Brazen -> Argent part... but for the Gilded, 2/3 of the dungeon groups ended up not actually doing the dungeons because people wanted to keep their Argent keys for other groups that require having the Argents done. This was incredibly complicated to deal with and very unfun. Keys need to be able to stack so that peoples gameplay isn't a competition between different groups that have different requirements, because not every group is going to do the gameplay loop in its totality due to the time it takes. I don't want to force people to have the gold keys for next week, I enjoy the concept of doing the full gameplay loop, but I'm probably going to have to just for simplicity's sake.
Edit: I also had a hard time getting people to fill because of people holding their keys. The relics is a hurdle and then the competition of group requirements is another hurdle, making it harder to find fills than it needs to be. The keys need to stack or the unlocks need to be permanent.
I feel this complaint so much. I love the night market. Last night my raid guild finally got everyone on the same page and we were able to finally (for 8 or 9 of us) blind run the trial boss. We got it completed, and having done the dungeon bosses on Monday, I was feeling really good. Until I read a desperate plea for a tank from a guild mate who has been really wanting to get into the dungeons. I was happy to help until I realized that now I was at zero keys.
What a terrible game design. This is ridiculous, that it can be this complicated to find a group member when there are ready willing and able people that would love to help out. This has to be the single worst aspect of the night market and it just screams lazy way to increase our engagement numbers and stretch the content. This needs to go. It oozes senseless grinding to make your numbers go burr. The night market appears to the unbiased mind, a great success. A week later I'm still seeing packed guild rosters and hundreds of players in the night market. I don't use group finder, I take guild groups, but last night on PSNA there were a ton of groups in there when I checked.
So it's a success but I hope you're hearing the feedback from the people that are playing this event.
We need some GF love, make it easier to relist groups.
The keys need to stack at the very least.
The warewolf boss is bugged. There are people that cannot get their splinter, either he doesn't drop it or when he's in hunt phase, the last light doesn't spawn in. This has thrown a huge roadblock.
There must be something wrong with instances. I'm not the only one seeing or saying this. With hundreds of just guildmates in there, imagine the population of people in there. So how is it that people are reporting empty instances? Is it mistakingly spinning up new instances, not at 36 but a much lower number?
Performance is bad. Sometimes in the market, skills like flail just don't work. Not you have to press the button twice but actually just don't work. Also sound is not playing then all of a sudden crashing in and trying to catch up all at once.
A success for sure, but definitely needs some help.
Re: WOW - you get NOTHING while reviving during a skirmish
heimdall14_9 wrote: »i got a chest after dying but i got picked up after boss was fully dead only had like 8 people at fight so it maybe top 12 like other WBs are when it comes to getting a drop
Yeah this is exactly the case. If you die in exe then stay dead. Do not release to way shrine.
If you want to call it a bug, it is a long standing one. It has always been the case that if you die during an encounter, for instance a world boss, your participation resets and you need to reach damage/healing done again to get credit. If the boss dies before this, you won't get credited, regardless how much damage you did before dying. So if you're not sure the time will suffice, you need to stay dead on the ground and only revive after the encounter completed.
I don't know if this is a bug or an intended mechanic, but I agree it should be changed because it actively discourages reviving and further participation out of fear of missing out on the reward.
If this is the case it's not well executed. If I die at a world boss and am rezzing at its death, I've always gotten credit and loot. The market is the only place I've seen this complaint but perhaps I'm lucky.
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
Templar class masteries are severely underwhelming, especially the ones aimed towards damage. Templar doesn't need more reinforcement in the "hold your ground and be an obnoxious tank" than it already is.
Don't think I need to elaborate on the NB ones since people have done that already, but they're underwhelming to say the least for a pure NB. No reason to drop subclassing when those passives are what you get instead.
Don't think I need to elaborate on the NB ones since people have done that already, but they're underwhelming to say the least for a pure NB. No reason to drop subclassing when those passives are what you get instead.
Re: Shattered Paths Signet Is Problematic
Ecgberht_confused wrote: »I'm going to be blunt for a second, while there are some good points made here, it seems the panic around the ring mostly comes from 1vXers objecting that the 'masses' now have access to builds that would challenge them. This is more of a reason NOT to nerf the ring. People are not entitled to ZOS protecting their rights to take on 7 players who now have ways to exert pressure that goes through the 1vXers LoS and permablock. Or the smallscalers spending half their life at resource towers or keep walls. The moment I see status effects on my death recap half as much as I see whip, power lash, or deep fissure, I'll start believing that the ring is actually problematic for the game health in general, not just to 1vXers.
And here we come to the heart of the matter with this whole statement right here. “Bad players can kill me with this” is a really weird way to reframe the fact that power is being distributed more evenly among players who, last month, wouldn’t have been able to touch half these 1vX sweats.
People are mad because their “secret sauce” gatekeep builds that nuke entire zergs are now no longer good enough to dominate 85% of the game. That number is closer to 60%, and the lower it gets, the more of these kinds of threads we see.
Re: Anyone find the new DK visual design utterly DOMINATES the visual field in every group fight now?
For me, both 2H and DK animations look way too bright, with overcomplicated effects and unnecessary sounds. It really feels like the designer followed the “more is better” idea.
Shiny pets, Arcanist/DK/2H skills, post-Greymoor Vampiric Drain, and all that extra noise make the game feel more and more like an Asian MMO (no disrespect to Asian games) and that just doesn’t fit ESO’s atmosphere.
Shiny pets, Arcanist/DK/2H skills, post-Greymoor Vampiric Drain, and all that extra noise make the game feel more and more like an Asian MMO (no disrespect to Asian games) and that just doesn’t fit ESO’s atmosphere.
Re: Anyone find the new DK visual design utterly DOMINATES the visual field in every group fight now?
I suspect it's part of a wider theme with ZOS, like spending years forcing new characters to start in the latest expansion or making the crown store personalities so absurdly over-exaggerated. They put a lot of work into the Dragon Knight redesign and they want to make absolutely certain every single person anywhere near a Dragon Knight knows they're using the new skills.
If that is the case then hopefully they'll tone it down later on when it's not the new thing anymore, but I suspect what they'll do is tone down DK to hype up whichever one gets the next redesign, and so on until they're all done, at which point they'll finally give us the option to turn down effects ourselves.
If that is the case then hopefully they'll tone it down later on when it's not the new thing anymore, but I suspect what they'll do is tone down DK to hype up whichever one gets the next redesign, and so on until they're all done, at which point they'll finally give us the option to turn down effects ourselves.
Danikat
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