I'll just add to the table that Serpent's is a very good set but I never spoke out since in U45 I did what everyone is saying... PURGE! I'll repeat a quote of my experience from pureclass era. I only duel people I know, but here it is:

In fact, during u45 the patch before subclassing, my friend consistently killed my melee stamplar with serpents disdain DK. I knew it was a good set but I'm not a DK dot fan nor did I go on forums to complain because my ranged magplar completely countered that build. Now people are complaining about serpents disdain on forums too. I really wonder what's happening, lol.

Except now it's about to be U50 and it's not viable to spend a GCD on purging anymore. Damage is so high that you don't have a chance to react unless you're a DK (which we all know is imbalanced) or a pure necro.

I have a comment in the maarselok thread showing the imbalanced numbers of a BG scoreboard, which speak for themselves. It's not necessarily a serpent's disdain frontbar, it could be oakfather for all I care, but DOT DKs have been slightly overpowered in U48 and now are just plain OP in U49.

Arunei wrote: »

@MSattrtand
Cool, now do that parse without a Trial dummy giving you all those buffs and in actual content forcing you to constantly move around, block, CC break, and so on, please. And tell us what other Sets/Mythics you're using instead of one part of the builds you used.

Berserker can ONLY reliably hold form if they a) have something they can consistently Devour during a fight, or b) go into a fight with somewhere around 300-400 Ult minimum so you have time to get enough Fury to proc Rampage. Which makes it pointless to make the form take only 100 Ult to pop when you're just going to get thrown out of the form over and over. They really need to adjust how much the Ult drain costs and it makes 0 sense that they've implemented that to test it imo.

The point of parsing on the trial dummy is to parse in a controlled environment, where you can easily compare builds with each other. Everyone loses damage if they have to do mechs instead of just parsing. My build was Savage Werewolf on body, Perfected Mora Scribe's Thesis on weapons, and Selene, Wamask+1-piece crit or Signet+1-piece crit.

But no problem. Parsing on the 6 mil dummy, so only with my own buffs. Full dummy parse set-up (which is likely not optimal - I'm underpenning like hell), but Rip and Tear instead of Bloody Gnash to provide at least some pen. No heroism potions, since the average person won't use them.

Starting with 133 ultimate and full fury:

Starting with 228 ultimate and no fury:

Bonus: full 25 mil dummy kill. Starting with 249 ultimate and no fury:

Do you see something interesting on the graph? Correct. At the end of the parse, I have more ultimate than I had at the start - I'm generating ultimate even with Minor Timidity from Signet draining it.

Bonus 2: full 25 mil dummy kill. Now with Warmask instead of Signet. Starting with 257 ultimate and no fury. So no Timidity, and I also took points out of Catalyst so that I won't be getting ultimate for drinking potions:

Well, without Minor Timidity, I would hit 500 ultimate after some time (and I was getting to 500 during my parse with Catalyst).

Therefore, with all confidence, I dare to state that Werewolf Berserk can sustain in content even while hitting only one target.

Also, if we are considering soloing, here's my parse on Arcanist from the previous patch on the 6 mil dummy, just to compare DPS. Full ultimate, 3 crux, Reaving Blows+Crit Surge to have the same HPS as WW, heroism potions. Basically, the build that gave me multiple Spirit Slayers while I was farming Vateshran weapons:

Well, that's lower than WW, and I'm not even underpenning. And sustain is worse. And, IMHO, harder to play. And it suffers more if it needs to block/dodge, since you have to interrupt beaming. Of course, Arca has higher cleave, I won't argue about that, and this cleave will lead to higher HPS in content where you can beam multiple enemies. But in single target situations... Arca is worse for soloing?

So please, stop saying that WW is borderline unplayable when it's in a great state.

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xylena wrote: »

Once again:

Serpents has existed for years and has only ever been niche.

Shattered Path Signet is the busted new mythic pushing status damage like crazy.

People have been making disgusting builds with Disdain for a long time, it just wasn't widely known about. That doesn't make it balanced and isn't relevant to the current time.

It performs better than DoT sets and Debuff sets at the same time and it is present in top duel builds that are winning tourneys as well as in all the most broken builds coming out of the current PTS.

Removing the new mythic does not make this set balanced in any shape or form, i personally have used this set extensively and struggle to find anything that compares to it, especially on sorcerer and for a number of reasons.

Please feel free to show me another set which provides anything close to its value.

Long time set, widely used in duels which have no relation to other pvp. It works great if you build for it and if you are targeting the bottom 75% of players. Top players shrug it off.

My experience is that you can reapply the status effects/debuffs so easily in many cases 20s timer is a waste.

Which definitely says something about the insane proliferation of auto-procs for status effects. Something that probably should be audited by the devs at some point very soon.