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Re: Request: Carrying over favor to night market 2.0
NoticeMeArkay wrote: »How would that make sense though?
I'm gaining favor with the faction I chose.
The next time the event comes around, I'll join a different faction. So naturally I'd have to gain rapport with them too and earn their favor. Carrying the pre-earned favor from a different faction over seems unreasonable given the nature of the "currency".
Because they know how much the other factions favor us so they would want to favor us more.
Re: WOW - you get NOTHING while reviving during a skirmish
o_Primate_o wrote: »i had same thing, i was reviving when boss killed and got no coffer.
@Athory no, ZoS is not punishing players.
No? I respect your opinion, but if you ask me, yes, they are!
I say that for a lot of reasons, but if you want one example, I’ll talk about completing quests in the [snip] Market.
You have friends to do it with? Great. You have guilds or Discord groups? Even better. I don’t, and I don’t want to rely on them.
I can use the group finder. So please, make a video of yourself using it to form a group, and then go complete the quests with random PUGs. Just remember, you’re in a group, because that’s how this content was designed to be played, right?
The [snip] Market was developed with group play in mind. So go use the finder, join random groups, and run it with PUGs. Post the video and try to change my mind, please.
While of course the market has issues, let's try to be real for a second. You can read countless posts from players saying they're having success using the group finder to get their stuff done. It's not as if these players are a cabal trying to deceive you.
Re: Night Market has made Group Finder come alive
I like that some people are not just grouping in general, but some are focused on specific things.
Now I can join for Argents or Skirmishes and not just a random group that has no goal (which BTW is fine if that's what the group is for)
Now I can join for Argents or Skirmishes and not just a random group that has no goal (which BTW is fine if that's what the group is for)
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
This does sing a similar note to my personal concerns.
First of all, it is extremely unlikely that ZeniMax Online Studios has plans to push a massive section of their community out of the game. Night Market has been a prime example of content not designed with the community-at-large in mind, but I think it's safe to say that ZOS isn't going to alienate the solo community since it will mean a MASSIVE drop in profits.
Where this thread parallels with my own concerns is the concept of emotional "teabagging". The most prominent counter-argument I see in my own threads is "if you don't like it, don't play it" or "find another game"; while this does seem like a powerful shutdown, it actually ignores the massive time and money investments that some players have put towards this game. It's very easy to stop playing if you probably only paid the "entry fee" - that is, buying the game - and maybe paid for a few expansions along the way, but there are players who have spent the equivalent of $1,000 or more over the course of their time in this game.
Others might say that the game has never been better than it has right now, since all content is free; however, the caveat there is that "free content" comes with a different kind of price: quality. Night Market is a prime example of "free content" that is seriously lacking in the depth and quality that drew me to the game five years ago. I am still paying for this game via a continued ESO+ subscription and premium battle pass purchases; there is no reason the quality should start dropping now that the content itself doesn't have a monetary price tag.
First of all, it is extremely unlikely that ZeniMax Online Studios has plans to push a massive section of their community out of the game. Night Market has been a prime example of content not designed with the community-at-large in mind, but I think it's safe to say that ZOS isn't going to alienate the solo community since it will mean a MASSIVE drop in profits.
Where this thread parallels with my own concerns is the concept of emotional "teabagging". The most prominent counter-argument I see in my own threads is "if you don't like it, don't play it" or "find another game"; while this does seem like a powerful shutdown, it actually ignores the massive time and money investments that some players have put towards this game. It's very easy to stop playing if you probably only paid the "entry fee" - that is, buying the game - and maybe paid for a few expansions along the way, but there are players who have spent the equivalent of $1,000 or more over the course of their time in this game.
Others might say that the game has never been better than it has right now, since all content is free; however, the caveat there is that "free content" comes with a different kind of price: quality. Night Market is a prime example of "free content" that is seriously lacking in the depth and quality that drew me to the game five years ago. I am still paying for this game via a continued ESO+ subscription and premium battle pass purchases; there is no reason the quality should start dropping now that the content itself doesn't have a monetary price tag.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
sleepy_worm wrote: »This is not true. Group Finder groups for trials regularly fill. Group Finder groups for Night Market fill within 60 seconds.The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it.This is also not true. You can teleport to someone in a busy instance if you want to zerg. Unless you meant multi-player content, as you would be following around other players. If you meant multi-player content, I agree that is what it is.The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.)And this is absolutely not true. I have been playing with CP 100 or level 12 characters quite often. They are very clearly participating.Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating.
Totally disagree with your points. I think they are very selective.
The Group Finder does not function. Perhaps in your world it does but not on the server on which I play. What server do you claim it works on?
This is how GF for NM looked like on PCNA 5-10 min ago:
If you are on a console, that might be a different story. Though I've seen people from some console servers saying that GF has many listing there too.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
I'm sorry but this whole thread is very... Over dramatic? Anyone can see that solo play is not going away. So I'm just going to make a few (lol it turned into an essay as I was working on it) obvious points and leave it at that.
Firstly, the Night Marker to me is just a giant 4 man dungeon with extra steps, and a bonus trial at the end. That is all. If you never grouped with anyone before then can I assume you never did any of the trials or dungeons either, and never was against them existing in the game? So why is this suddenly so different? Because it's a different model of 4 man dungeons and trials then what you're used to? Yeah they made the dungeon/trial more interesting with mini games and extra steps to complete it. But it's no less a dungeon/trial. Or maybe it was because they said you could solo it? Well technically you can solo vet dungeons too, but not many people can do that either. But there wasn't anything wrong with that before? Because you have to use the group finder (which has worked perfectly for me during the event I might add). Well you have to que for PUG dungeons and trials too, so not sure why that is a bother now. Is it because there are cosmetic rewards and furnishings locked behind the content? Well there's also all that locked behind your regular dungeon group content too. I think you're looking at the night market all wrong. It is not a story dlc or chapter. It's two DLC dungeon expansions with a bonus trial given to us at once and packaged as an event. That's all it is. We are not getting any new dlc dungeons in the future. This is it. The night market IS that content. I do believe we're getting one single lonely new trial coming up in the coming year, but not any dungeons.
So what about solo play disappearing? Actually I think the night market balances out the fact that dungeons are getting a solo mode added. In fact, the exact opposite of your claim is true. Previous group content is becoming solo, increasing the amount of solo content in the game vs group content. Plus new story quests are coming up too. So easily the idea that solo play is disappearing is wildly inaccurate and doom saying. I believe there should be content for everyone. Including those that want group activities. They are not second class citizens that should be forced to wait until the only trial they're getting comes out. While solo play is still being rained down on those that only want that content. If you restrict yourself to only one type of activity in the game, then yes you will be restricting yourself to parts of the game. Having content you might not like or want to do is not a bad thing. More variety is healthy. What would the game look like if there was no group content or PvP, for instance? Pretty bland. Don't get me wrong, I prefer solo play. I do dungeons because I want all the achievements. That's all. But I'm not going to deny the group content/ harder content lovers even a crumb of new updates because it isn't my cup of tea. I'm fact I would love to see even more variety of stuff in the game. Even if I personally would never do it. Let's bring in more group content, more PvP options, and more options in general to do. You don't have to do everything in the game. You do realize that?
After completing most of the night market activities, here's my take. I actually enjoyed the fights in the night market. They were interesting. Challenging. Actually made me feel like I accomplished something when I beat them. It was fun trying to figure out the mechs with people that also had no idea what to do, and then beating it. Tbh the hardest part of the trial is just organizing everyone for the baton pass mechanic, not the actual boss fight. I'm just super angry at the bugs and glitches that never should have left pts. But that's a different topic that I will rage and rant on... But the actual battles, and fights themselves have been great. I've puged every single dungeon, and the mechs were not so outlandishly difficult to figure out, that someone with no dungeon experience would be hopeless doing it. It can be very intimidating for someone not used to dungeons to jump in and try them out. Which is why I would like to advocate a "normal" mode. The mode doesn't even need any rewards or titles, it just to help people get an idea of the mechs and build confidence before trying it on the current difficulty. If that is a reason some people are hesitant to give it a try.
My final thoughts for my essay (so sorry) is that solo content and group content are both integral parts to an MMO. They both coexist and we should be helping each other push for better content for each other. Bridge the gap and have a more healthier community. It is okay to be a solo player and have group content you'll never do. It is okay to be a group content lover and never once touching solo content. But it's also even better to help each other. So let's be happy for the group content people for getting an amazing update (after they fix the bloody bugs of course!). Look forward to everything coming out for the solo crowd, and learn to ask for help and maybe step out of your comfort zone every once in awhile to experience ESO in every aspect.
Firstly, the Night Marker to me is just a giant 4 man dungeon with extra steps, and a bonus trial at the end. That is all. If you never grouped with anyone before then can I assume you never did any of the trials or dungeons either, and never was against them existing in the game? So why is this suddenly so different? Because it's a different model of 4 man dungeons and trials then what you're used to? Yeah they made the dungeon/trial more interesting with mini games and extra steps to complete it. But it's no less a dungeon/trial. Or maybe it was because they said you could solo it? Well technically you can solo vet dungeons too, but not many people can do that either. But there wasn't anything wrong with that before? Because you have to use the group finder (which has worked perfectly for me during the event I might add). Well you have to que for PUG dungeons and trials too, so not sure why that is a bother now. Is it because there are cosmetic rewards and furnishings locked behind the content? Well there's also all that locked behind your regular dungeon group content too. I think you're looking at the night market all wrong. It is not a story dlc or chapter. It's two DLC dungeon expansions with a bonus trial given to us at once and packaged as an event. That's all it is. We are not getting any new dlc dungeons in the future. This is it. The night market IS that content. I do believe we're getting one single lonely new trial coming up in the coming year, but not any dungeons.
So what about solo play disappearing? Actually I think the night market balances out the fact that dungeons are getting a solo mode added. In fact, the exact opposite of your claim is true. Previous group content is becoming solo, increasing the amount of solo content in the game vs group content. Plus new story quests are coming up too. So easily the idea that solo play is disappearing is wildly inaccurate and doom saying. I believe there should be content for everyone. Including those that want group activities. They are not second class citizens that should be forced to wait until the only trial they're getting comes out. While solo play is still being rained down on those that only want that content. If you restrict yourself to only one type of activity in the game, then yes you will be restricting yourself to parts of the game. Having content you might not like or want to do is not a bad thing. More variety is healthy. What would the game look like if there was no group content or PvP, for instance? Pretty bland. Don't get me wrong, I prefer solo play. I do dungeons because I want all the achievements. That's all. But I'm not going to deny the group content/ harder content lovers even a crumb of new updates because it isn't my cup of tea. I'm fact I would love to see even more variety of stuff in the game. Even if I personally would never do it. Let's bring in more group content, more PvP options, and more options in general to do. You don't have to do everything in the game. You do realize that?
After completing most of the night market activities, here's my take. I actually enjoyed the fights in the night market. They were interesting. Challenging. Actually made me feel like I accomplished something when I beat them. It was fun trying to figure out the mechs with people that also had no idea what to do, and then beating it. Tbh the hardest part of the trial is just organizing everyone for the baton pass mechanic, not the actual boss fight. I'm just super angry at the bugs and glitches that never should have left pts. But that's a different topic that I will rage and rant on... But the actual battles, and fights themselves have been great. I've puged every single dungeon, and the mechs were not so outlandishly difficult to figure out, that someone with no dungeon experience would be hopeless doing it. It can be very intimidating for someone not used to dungeons to jump in and try them out. Which is why I would like to advocate a "normal" mode. The mode doesn't even need any rewards or titles, it just to help people get an idea of the mechs and build confidence before trying it on the current difficulty. If that is a reason some people are hesitant to give it a try.
My final thoughts for my essay (so sorry) is that solo content and group content are both integral parts to an MMO. They both coexist and we should be helping each other push for better content for each other. Bridge the gap and have a more healthier community. It is okay to be a solo player and have group content you'll never do. It is okay to be a group content lover and never once touching solo content. But it's also even better to help each other. So let's be happy for the group content people for getting an amazing update (after they fix the bloody bugs of course!). Look forward to everything coming out for the solo crowd, and learn to ask for help and maybe step out of your comfort zone every once in awhile to experience ESO in every aspect.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Well it’s been good to do some content where dps isn’t king.
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
- Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
- Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
To answer the core questions asked:
Q: Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
A: No.
Q:Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
A: No.
Just following up here generally. We hear the feedback from solo players about the Night Market content. We want to follow up with just few things.
We have no intention of pushing solo players out of the game. However, we started this year off by noting that we were going to try some new things. Night Market is one of them. While we always provide group players with trials, we also wanted to try something different. This was not to alienate solo players, but rather to add a new way to play. That being said, we do hear the feedback and have passed that on our teams for future consideration, especially for when Night Market comes back later in the year. Remember, part of the ethos of this event is to add to it over time.
As several have noted in this thread as well, we have a roadmap that is publicly available. The point of the roadmap is to showcase the content we have coming throughout the year. As is noted on the roadmap and current PTS testing, we have plenty of solo friendly content as well. Thieves Guild and Sheogorath Questlines, Favors system, Rumors system, Two Solo Dungeons, Sage's Vault, and the list can keep going. And that is all on top of existing content. We also understand that not every piece of content will be for everyone, and that is okay.
We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bear repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.
We'll close with this. Last year, we saw many threads throughout the year asking us to address content and find new ways of renewing the gameplay experience, both in variety and challenge. We are in the first passes of this now with items like Night Market going live. But we will have content throughout the year to address both solo and group play within the community. The feedback is helpful to steer us on the right track. So thanks to everyone, both solo players and group players, who have given their constructive feedback regarding the Night Market. The team is taking a look at what can be done during this current running and what can be adjusted for the next run of the Night Market.
I just want to remind everyone, anyone, that MMO does NOT mean grouping. It never meant grouping. It meant shared map. It meant socializing. Using the term Massive Multi-player Online to provide an excuse to push grouping and guilds is trying too hard to validate attempting to change the way we play.
And outside of dungeons, some which can be done solo with a solo mode coming soon, and trial content, there is NOTHING that can be done specifically as a large group.
My guilds would run world boss events but those got boring fast, especially when many can be done solo.
Thats all there is for group PvE large group content.
Trials and "make your own overland event."
ESO features heaps of solo content, thats 80% of the game.
But has always featured very little for group play, with trials being the only dedicated group event limited at 12.
They add ONE THING for a more casual group approach...
And y'all won't let it stand.
Re: Please don't Auto-Pin Golden Pursuit and Tome activities
why dont they unpin when completed?
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
I really, really want to keep engaging with this topic… but for what? Why? Just to give moderator more work so they can come in, remove my replies, and leave yours (and others)?
Fine. Talk to yourself or with others. There’s no reason for me to keep replying.
Here's a rough summary of content by ascending difficulty:
Overland Mobs/Delve Mobs
Delve Boss
Normal Dungeon Mobs - Base Game
Public Dungeon Mobs
Normal Trial Mobs - Base Game
Normal Dungeon Boss - Base Game
Craglorn Mobs - Group Areas
Veteran Dungeon Mobs - Base Game
Night Market Mobs
Overland World Boss - Base Game
Normal Dungeon Mobs - DLC
Public Dungeon Boss - Base Game
Public Dungeon Group Event - Base Game
Craglorn Boss - Group Areas
Normal Dungeon Boss - DLC
Normal Trial Boss - Base Game
Veteran Dungeon Mobs - DLC
Veteran Trial Mobs - Base Game
Night Market Brazen Boss
Veteran Dungeon Trifecta - Base Game
Public Dungeon Boss - DLC
Public Dungeon Group Event - DLC
Night Market Argent Boss
Veteran Trial Boss - Base Game
Overland World Boss - DLC
Night Market Calamitous Boss
Veteran Trial Mobs - DLC
Veteran Dungeon Boss - DLC
Night Market Skirmish
Veteran Trial Boss - DLC
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A very very very wide gap aka hardcore
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Veteran Dungeon Trifecta - DLC
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A very very very wide gap aka hardcore
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Veteran Trial Trifecta - DLC
Edit: Typos
