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Re: Please re-balance Serpent's Disdain next
You can dodge rending slashes for example but try doing it another 5 times in a row when the person is spamming it on you. It is absolutely not reasonable to expect people to just dodge status effects.
These status effects will often be applied passively by skills that serve other purposes such as being a spammable like blood for blood, there is no downtime to re-apply dots, because these dots are passively being applied. Ele Sus is another great example, constantly re-applying itself.
I said this set is overperforming because it is the prime choice in multiple categories, something i have said multiple times in this thread.
Disdain is the best PvP debuff set as it provides near permanent uptime on debuffs that surpass anything a set can provide with any reasonable uptime.
Disdain also now comes out as the most reliable pressure set alongside its debuffs due to near permanent uptime on haemorrhage, poisoned and burning, which comes out to more dps than a pressure proc set such as unleashed terror or hunters venom. These proc sets may have higher damage in small window if all these status effects are somehow also up at the same time(unlikely), however the low uptime makes them highly mitigate-able and undesirable compared to serpent.
This set has been an issue for a long time, it was just a niche that not many knew about. Seeing relequen gave me some hope that sets like these could be changed.
Again, still cannot understand. You saying it's the prime choice doen't mean anything. It's literally just an opinion. I don't think it's the prime choice and others here apparently don't either apparently. Cyrodiil isn't full of people running Serpent's either.
The sustained damage alone from those effects is not going to kill anyone. If it does, they need to look at their build or run purge, and yet again, what exactly are they doing?
The crazy part is that you are using someone spamming rending slashes. So someone would spam it in melee range and you're just standing there? I cannot understand the argument you are making because it makes NO SENSE.
How can anyone just stand and spam rending or any other dodgeable skill and you not dodge, then simply do enough damage back, CC, snare, immobilize and move around in an arc, etc. to force them to do something else? In reality, it will never happen that way. Maybe if someone drained your stamina, drained your magicka and caught you like that, yeah.
Otherwise, no.
It just doesn't make any sense. If someone spammed that skill in melee on me, I would be happy. I don't have to chase or gap close them anymore.
The other part that makes no sense is that these skills, even if you purged them, still take more than one action to all put back on. It's not all put back on with a single button, and the three that are can already be spammed without the set anyway.
Sure we can say not all purges remove all negative effects, snares have priority, stuns have priority on cleanse so one or more might be left, BUT again... now we are talking about the rest of the build and not just Serpent's.
What exactly is being gained?
Elemental reapplying as an argument isn't even logical to mention because it does it anyway. Why would an increased duration matter?
Oh no, burning damage...how lethal...
Unless, you're having more than one stacked on you. Unless you're running behind a wall and its still ticking on you.
Oh yeah, that could matter. But we're no longer talking about balance in good faith anymore when we start bringing in arguments related to 1vX. Know why? Because it's not the game's job or the devs to alleviate and make that easier for anyone. If it is, then the devs have a LOT of work to do. I can summon 50 pages of changes to make 1vX easier, at least for me.
To say something is OP because it makes it harder to run around a tower, or force the player to take an active role in defense vs. high burst tanky run in their face and destroy them gameplay is exactly why balance is so poor on live in the first place.
Luneca
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Re: Please re-balance Serpent's Disdain next
First let's pre-empt the argument about player skill you'll probably try to bring up. Do not bring it up. It is not important to me or overall balance discussions. In fact, I think the game takes no skill especially in this patch. So I will pre-empt it now and say do not bring that argument. Now let's go:
So you concede that the sources of status effects are dodgeable...but then claim it's oppressive because of the frequency they are applied? Then why don't yoyu dodge? It makes no sense.
I can guess the build is a stam sorc, standing ground, which didn't usually have to deal with DoTs and eliminated people fast. Then this set and that mythic appears and suddenly you have to feel the stress of managing damage from status effects that used to be easily healed through or avoided.
That does not make the set overperforming just because it counters a meta build. It has yet to be demonstrated how.
The frequency of damage being applied? It's the same frequency with or without serpent's disdain. Even the same overlapping effects only have certain instances in an interval of time where they would tick twice, until we start making more build decisions beyobnd Serpent's Disdain . And if someone is putting their entire build into a specialization, is that really a reason to nerf a set? Because it counters your build too well?
It's not adding up logically.
I don't like nor dislike players running around. If they want to do it, go ahead. I am not the one trying to get a mid-tier set nerfed because it stops that kind of gameplay and pressures people that don't run enough HoTs or otherwise LoS. The set does not harm my gameplay and does nothing to me. That's why I cannot understand why it does to you and others complaining about it.
The set was overperforming...because it was overperforming? So you said so, that means it's a fact? Thing is, I don't think it is overperforming. So now, where can you provide proof that it is? I don't mean some guy on the forums agreeing.
The set by itself cannot do anything without the rest of a build. It's not a secret sauce underneath a mountain of cheese on a pizza. It's a mid tier set that only finds use now because of player behavior and overall build decisons. The decisions and behavior being dropping purge, dropping HoTs precisely because DoTs/status damage is not and was not prevalent on live for the past patches.
Also, earlier about purge. Come on, we both know no stam sorc is running purge. Because the skill purge is a waste of a slot and the skill llines that provide it are also waste skill lines due to the nature of PvP (general lack of DoT and sustained damage outside of siege). No one even runs purge on a scribed skill. But of course, we can pretend someone does for argument's sake.
If they purged, then the guy wasted an action to put the same DoTs back on...why isn't the person fighting the Serpent's Disdain user just...you know...doing damage back?
These are all questions that are not being answered, in exchange we just hear that a set is OP because you said so?
All names on this forum are unweighted to me. You want something nerfed, then please bring actual arguments and proof instead of saying it's oppresive but then failing to mention exactly how.
Even Elemental Susceptibility, looking at it with or without Serpent's Disdain, how exactly is it more powerful? Because in some instants of time there will be more than one tick of damage from a status effect? I can achieve the same without Serpent's , so if that is the argument you'll be in for a surprise when the same type of behavior is done without Serpents and much more powerful.
Sources of status effects are mostly dodgeable. yes. They also come from highly spammable skills and last 20s thanks to Serpent's Disdain. You are not avoiding them and they are too frequently applied in too high of a quantity to be countered by purges.
So you concede that the sources of status effects are dodgeable...but then claim it's oppressive because of the frequency they are applied? Then why don't yoyu dodge? It makes no sense.
I can guess the build is a stam sorc, standing ground, which didn't usually have to deal with DoTs and eliminated people fast. Then this set and that mythic appears and suddenly you have to feel the stress of managing damage from status effects that used to be easily healed through or avoided.
That does not make the set overperforming just because it counters a meta build. It has yet to be demonstrated how.
The frequency of damage being applied? It's the same frequency with or without serpent's disdain. Even the same overlapping effects only have certain instances in an interval of time where they would tick twice, until we start making more build decisions beyobnd Serpent's Disdain . And if someone is putting their entire build into a specialization, is that really a reason to nerf a set? Because it counters your build too well?
It's not adding up logically.
This set is also not stopping people from "running around towers with infinite resources", nobody has infinite resources, they are just managing their resources properly with well optimised builds and they will continue to do so whether this set exists or not. I would argue the only thing that stands to stop this gameplay you dislike so much is the vengeance campaign.
I don't like nor dislike players running around. If they want to do it, go ahead. I am not the one trying to get a mid-tier set nerfed because it stops that kind of gameplay and pressures people that don't run enough HoTs or otherwise LoS. The set does not harm my gameplay and does nothing to me. That's why I cannot understand why it does to you and others complaining about it.
This set has enabled overpowered builds for a long time, it was just a niche thing not many players knew about.
This set was already overperforming before the new mythic was added, it provided and still provides better debuffs than debuff sets and better pressure than dot sets and also interacts with a number of otherwise non-problematic things such as maarselok and force of nature CP.
This was and is the top choice in multiple categories by a large margin, the new mythic is just making it even worse.
The set was overperforming...because it was overperforming? So you said so, that means it's a fact? Thing is, I don't think it is overperforming. So now, where can you provide proof that it is? I don't mean some guy on the forums agreeing.
The set by itself cannot do anything without the rest of a build. It's not a secret sauce underneath a mountain of cheese on a pizza. It's a mid tier set that only finds use now because of player behavior and overall build decisons. The decisions and behavior being dropping purge, dropping HoTs precisely because DoTs/status damage is not and was not prevalent on live for the past patches.
Also, earlier about purge. Come on, we both know no stam sorc is running purge. Because the skill purge is a waste of a slot and the skill llines that provide it are also waste skill lines due to the nature of PvP (general lack of DoT and sustained damage outside of siege). No one even runs purge on a scribed skill. But of course, we can pretend someone does for argument's sake.
If they purged, then the guy wasted an action to put the same DoTs back on...why isn't the person fighting the Serpent's Disdain user just...you know...doing damage back?
These are all questions that are not being answered, in exchange we just hear that a set is OP because you said so?
All names on this forum are unweighted to me. You want something nerfed, then please bring actual arguments and proof instead of saying it's oppresive but then failing to mention exactly how.
Even Elemental Susceptibility, looking at it with or without Serpent's Disdain, how exactly is it more powerful? Because in some instants of time there will be more than one tick of damage from a status effect? I can achieve the same without Serpent's , so if that is the argument you'll be in for a surprise when the same type of behavior is done without Serpents and much more powerful.
Luneca
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
- Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
- Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
If yes, please tell us, because I will definitely stop playing ESO. I refuse to keep playing and paying for ESO Plus if this is the direction the game is going. I wouldn’t like that and I don’t want that, so is there any plan from ZoS to push solo players out?
We are getting overland difficulty, and that is completely fine because we will have the option to choose it. But will future releases and seasons all be like this, purely increased difficulty everywhere?
Please be honest. Is there any plan to push solo players out?
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And please don’t respond with something like: “We will add more group content to the game,” because that is, without question, welcome. What I want to know is whether solo players will once again be excluded from participating in these “events,” or if they will still be able, once again, to take part as solo players.I’m thrilled and excited about the new overland difficulty, and I genuinely want to replay the entire story again with some real challenge, not this easy mode we’ve had for years.
But as a player, I also have an event running that I could be doing… but I simply refuse to be used by you, ZOS. I refuse to be turned into “event fodder” just so others can participate. I can’t handle this feeling.
I never understood why teabagging was banned, but now I do. Because this is exactly how I feel right now. You, ZOS, are teabagging me with this event. Either I go as “event fodder”, or I don’t go at all.
The emotional meaning behind teabagging in games is:And that’s exactly what I see from ZOS right now: "I’m dominating you, you have no choice, and I’m rubbing it in your face."
- being disrespected
- being humiliated
- being forced into a submissive role
- being used for someone else’s benefit
- having my agency removed
Hi. Two things.
First, if this is a reaction to the Night Market, please be aware that the Night Market replaced new dungeons this year. This content (although whether it actually fulfills the same niche as a dungeon is a whole other topic) was experimental content aimed at people who like dungeons and trials, possibly with the hope to appeal to a slightly broader audience because it's new and there is a subset of content that's achievable with less than four players. Some quests can even be solo'ed, especially if you have NB and can sneak around. But ask yourself... would you have posted this if two new dungeons were released instead of the Night Market? I'm guessing not. So, no need to fret. Treat this content the same as you would have treated any newly released dungeons this year, however that may be (do you try them, ignore them, etc) and do not read anything deeper into it as far as ZOS's intentions for the future of solo players. It has nothing to do with that. They simply put some resources that normally produce dungeons and pivoted them to producing this content.
Second, you seem to be conflating difficult content with group content. I'm not 100% sure where you stand (although I can guess based on context) but just keep in mind that solo content DOES NOT EQUAL easy content, necessarily. Arenas, which are forced solo content to the point that even companions aren't welcome, are some of the most difficult content in the game. While I personally dislike labels, because often people (including myself), like multiple kinds of content, a discussion about group vs. solo is different than a discussion about "casuals" vs. "end gamers." Preferring less challenging content (or content without any combat) does not necessarily mean you also prefer playing solo, or vice versa. For example, even if the quest is as easy as easy can be, I prefer playing with friends, and don't quest solo. I enjoy both challenging content and easy content, depending on my mood, but because I like to play with friends, I rarely do arena runs, even though I spend a lot of time in dungeons and trials.
Literally on the roadmap for this year are solo dungeons which, presumably, are catering to solo players. I know I won't spend any time with them unless they have at least a duo option, like IA.
I'll also point out that Dark Souls is primarily a single player game, so it's an odd game to cite if your concern is group content over solo content, although it would make more sense if you're more concerned about content difficulty.
Anyway, you definitely have nothing to worry about regarding being pushed out of the game because ZOS is only going to produce content going forward that will be outside of your wheelhouse going forward. The roadmap clearly illustrates that this is not going to be the case. Whether they officially answer your question in this thread or not. However, I'd also like to point out that it's not very reasonable to expect ALL content released to cater to your playstyle, either. Do you really begrudge players who enjoy dungeons an event that is catered to their preferred level of difficulty and playstyle, when they didn't even get new dungeons this year? All we're getting is this event, and it may not even stick around as permanent content. Does this ONE thing that players who like dungeons are getting really bother you so much that it makes you feel like ZOS is teabagging you???
New Merch?
It's been awhile since we've had a merch drop for ESO, some of it hasn't sold well from what I could gather, but that was more due to the type of merch IMO. (Such as the Ithelia statue)
I do like to grow my IRL collection as well as my in game collections, has ZoS had put out any info on adding more eventually?
The early collector editions were great to pick up with the statue and book going into more detail about the zones.
I still love to go through the Imperial edition book occasionally, seeing some of the original concepts for zones is neat with its beautiful artwork.
I for one would like to see more merch released soon! (Or a re-sale of some merch, I regret not picking up the ascendant lord at launch)
I do like to grow my IRL collection as well as my in game collections, has ZoS had put out any info on adding more eventually?
The early collector editions were great to pick up with the statue and book going into more detail about the zones.
I still love to go through the Imperial edition book occasionally, seeing some of the original concepts for zones is neat with its beautiful artwork.
I for one would like to see more merch released soon! (Or a re-sale of some merch, I regret not picking up the ascendant lord at launch)
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
If a player does not have CP close to cap and dungeon gear they are not going to live long. Maybe they can survive if they follow a large group and pretend to participate. But they will not be working the Night Market without CP and dungeon gear. (include dungeon pots with gear)sleepy_worm wrote: »This is not true. Group Finder groups for trials regularly fill. Group Finder groups for Night Market fill within 60 seconds.The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it.This is also not true. You can teleport to someone in a busy instance if you want to zerg. Unless you meant multi-player content, as you would be following around other players. If you meant multi-player content, I agree that is what it is.The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.)And this is absolutely not true. I have been playing with CP 100 or level 12 characters quite often. They are very clearly participating.Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating.
The reality is that there is a huge gap between players that dungeon and players that don't. That gap is caused by power creeps that are generated by dungeon gear, pots, special items.
This is simply not true. I actually started a new account because I wanted loot from all factions. Did the wailing prison intro quest and went straight into the NM at level 3. No CP. I followed groups around, spammed shields, dodge rolled aoes, revived players, got some damage in and looted bosses to get complete gear sets. Right now my character is level 13, decked out in Briarheart and Plague Doctor gear from the event and has all the house wings unlocked. It’s really not so much a question of gear and level but more knowing what to do. Did I die a lot? Absolutely. But dying is not failure. It’s only a failure if the skirmish or boss resets because a whole group wiped.
There’s also no such thing as “dungeon pots”.
dcrush
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Re: ESO+ Auto Renewed, No Crowns Awarded
FurryCandyHearts wrote: »DragonRacer wrote: »FurryCandyHearts wrote: »i'm guessing this is some snafu between steam and zeni where steam isn't paying them straight away?
Why would Steam be involved with Sony PlayStation?
Reading the full thread makes the platform affected very clear.
The sub sony for steam and it's the same issue. they aren't giving the money over to zeni straight away so you pay but it's not credited until sony or whichever thrid party is involved gives up the payment to zeni
If that were the case, then nothing would be acknowledged in game about the transaction. However what's happening is that partial benefits get delivered while the rest are not. ie.. I got my benefits (craft bag etc), but the crowns were missing. Others get crowns, but craft bag etc remain inactive. If the transaction is not credited, then nothing would be delivered at all because as far as ZOS is concerned, it hasn't been renewed.
Re: storm atro's in reapers not count?
It's a misstatement on the task.
It should say "Flame and Air Atronachs." Storm Atros don't count, Air atros do.
It should say "Flame and Air Atronachs." Storm Atros don't count, Air atros do.
Re: ESO+ Auto Renewed, No Crowns Awarded
DragonRacer wrote: »FurryCandyHearts wrote: »i'm guessing this is some snafu between steam and zeni where steam isn't paying them straight away?
Why would Steam be involved with Sony PlayStation?
Reading the full thread makes the platform affected very clear.
The sub sony for steam and it's the same issue. they aren't giving the money over to zeni straight away so you pay but it's not credited until sony or whichever thrid party is involved gives up the payment to zeni
Re: ESO+ Auto Renewed, No Crowns Awarded
DragonRacer wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »I'm sorry that happened to you OP. I understand your frustration though. I hope that they don't permaban you. For anyone else, I would give this kind of thing a few days as ZOS has been pretty good about these types of things in my experience but it can take a few days.
I’m not personally affected (yet, my renewal is in July), but several guildmates are, including my auctioneer who got hit with it a few days ago when he renewed his ESO+ subscription, so it’s getting just a *tad* bit irritating at this point…
The general rumblings I've seen from many guildmates nearing or approaching their ESO renewal is that they're simply not going to renew until they see confirmation that it's been fixed. And the rumbling is getting louder with each successive occurance.