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Re: Subclassing Appreciation
The only argument I see with Subclassing is, “it’s fun”.
The argument is this: In Low/Medium-end content it changes the number of viable builds from 1,000 to 5,000 per role.
The problem is this: In High-end content it changes the number of viable builds from 5 to 1 per role.
Edit: The latter being an unintended consquence that was forseeable for everyone who runs high-end, but doesn't seem to have been for ZOS, despite them being explicitly told so before release to Live.
Right, it’s “fun” to kill weak monsters with a wide variety of skills. Balance doesn’t matter at all in these scenarios. The argument IMO holds no weight, the shine will wear off for these types of players who don’t strive to be endgame players. MMO’s aren’t casual by nature, they are massive time sinks and the longevity is in achievements, gear grinds, character connections, and PvP. Subclassing in its current state is bad for longevity and panders to solo RPGrs not MMO fans. ZOS needs to figure this out. ESO is an MMO and should be marketed as such. They don’t understand who their target audience is or should be.
I still believe that despite all my disdain for subclassing, hybridization is actually the root cause of most balance issues and until they fix it and deal with how healing scales, any semblance of balance will never be achievable.
Once again, an entirely wrong take.
Having more build strength in the hands of players, enables other players entry into content where their contribution would have needed to be much higher.
The goal posts on HM requirements have not moved, yet now people are doing 1.5x as much damage if they want to. That means another player in their group can do .5x the normal damage and still clear.
It’s the Oakensoul argument all over again, everyone hates that people are being included in the harder activities while those of us who SHERPA love it.
No.
No.
No.
Your scenario literally describes the issue people have. HMs haven’t changed, but in order to carry casuals who want to clear HMs on a “fun” build the Sherpa is required to subclass into a mutt monster optimal DPS. That is not balanced. That is “requiring” people to play a certain way. This is just PvE, when it comes to PvP it’s even worse. You either zerg in your off meta builds cause you can’t compete against the meta, or you choose the meta and face tank bomb zergs.
Sorry, but your take is entirely wrong.
Most Subclassed builds are reaching near that pre-Subclassing threshold of damage, if someone wants to make a crazy parse monster because they enjoy the inclusion net that creates, that’s not forced, that’s an active decision.
People do not force others into builds.
There is nobody holding you hostage.
…I promise. 😁
You are very condescending.
ZOS and subclassing is what is forcing people to play specific builds in order to complete the scenario you just laid out.
And again, ZOS and subclassing is forcing people to play a specific way in PvP because the power gap created is the worst it’s ever been.
SneaK
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Re: Subclassing Appreciation
The only argument I see with Subclassing is, “it’s fun”.
The argument is this: In Low/Medium-end content it changes the number of viable builds from 1,000 to 5,000 per role.
The problem is this: In High-end content it changes the number of viable builds from 5 to 1 per role.
Edit: The latter being an unintended consquence that was forseeable for everyone who runs high-end, but doesn't seem to have been for ZOS, despite them being explicitly told so before release to Live.
Right, it’s “fun” to kill weak monsters with a wide variety of skills. Balance doesn’t matter at all in these scenarios. The argument IMO holds no weight, the shine will wear off for these types of players who don’t strive to be endgame players. MMO’s aren’t casual by nature, they are massive time sinks and the longevity is in achievements, gear grinds, character connections, and PvP. Subclassing in its current state is bad for longevity and panders to solo RPGrs not MMO fans. ZOS needs to figure this out. ESO is an MMO and should be marketed as such. They don’t understand who their target audience is or should be.
I still believe that despite all my disdain for subclassing, hybridization is actually the root cause of most balance issues and until they fix it and deal with how healing scales, any semblance of balance will never be achievable.
SneaK
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Re: In-game addon settings menu option disappeared
Have you tried disabling all add-ons?
Then, re-enable each add-on one by one ... with the least likely culprits first.
Make sure it's not an add-on issue first before submitting a Support ticket.
Then, re-enable each add-on one by one ... with the least likely culprits first.
Make sure it's not an add-on issue first before submitting a Support ticket.
Re: Subclassing Appreciation
The only argument I see with Subclassing is, “it’s fun”.
The argument is this: In Low/Medium-end content it changes the number of viable builds from 1,000 to 5,000 per role.
The problem is this: In High-end content it changes the number of viable builds from 5 to 1 per role.
Edit: The latter being an unintended consquence that was forseeable for everyone who runs high-end, but doesn't seem to have been for ZOS, despite them being explicitly told so before release to Live.
Right, it’s “fun” to kill weak monsters with a wide variety of skills. Balance doesn’t matter at all in these scenarios. The argument IMO holds no weight, the shine will wear off for these types of players who don’t strive to be endgame players. MMO’s aren’t casual by nature, they are massive time sinks and the longevity is in achievements, gear grinds, character connections, and PvP. Subclassing in its current state is bad for longevity and panders to solo RPGrs not MMO fans. ZOS needs to figure this out. ESO is an MMO and should be marketed as such. They don’t understand who their target audience is or should be.
I still believe that despite all my disdain for subclassing, hybridization is actually the root cause of most balance issues and until they fix it and deal with how healing scales, any semblance of balance will never be achievable.
Once again, an entirely wrong take.
Having more build strength in the hands of players, enables other players entry into content where their contribution would have needed to be much higher.
The goal posts on HM requirements have not moved, yet now people are doing 1.5x as much damage if they want to. That means another player in their group can do .5x the normal damage and still clear.
It’s the Oakensoul argument all over again, everyone hates that people are being included in the harder activities while those of us who SHERPA love it.
No.
No.
No.
Your scenario literally describes the issue people have. HMs haven’t changed, but in order to carry casuals who want to clear HMs on a “fun” build the Sherpa is required to subclass into a mutt monster optimal DPS. That is not balanced. That is “requiring” people to play a certain way. This is just PvE, when it comes to PvP it’s even worse. You either zerg in your off meta builds cause you can’t compete against the meta, or you choose the meta and face tank bomb zergs.
Sorry, but your take is entirely wrong.
*also*
“entry into content” - HMs should be hard, it’s taken many players months/years to progress through some of this content. A new player isn’t owed these achievements. The fact that this is a part of your argument is insane to me.
SneaK
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Re: What did you did with your Surreal Estate?
I'd like to clarify my answer. It's not that my RNG sucked. It's that relying on RNG for things like this sucks.
Re: Love It Or Hate It - Oakensoul Is A Huge Boon To Our Game/Community (Guide Video As Well)
I used Oakensoul builds almost exclusively for a couple years. I switched back to a 2 bar build with subclassing and don't think I'm going back to Oakensoul anytime soon.
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "The Daedric War Celebration Event"
I am feeling absolutely exhausted from the Writhing Wall event. I have all sorts of mental health problems, and I further suffer terribly from FOMO. Playing Writhing Wall at the same time as the Witches Festival was torture, and being met with yet another event (when I also haven't personally caught up to the Daedric War storyline either) is making me feel like crying.
Please stop doubling up on events. I want to have fun when I play my favourite games, but this is stressing me out.
Please stop doubling up on events. I want to have fun when I play my favourite games, but this is stressing me out.
Re: WIll I lose ESO if I stop my Microsoft Ultimate Gamepass?
AnonomissX wrote: »You just need Xbox Essential. You can even use cloud play!
Yeah, you need at least GP Essential to play any multiplayer game as understand it.
Re: WIll I lose ESO if I stop my Microsoft Ultimate Gamepass?
You just need Xbox Essential. You can even use cloud play!
Re: Subclassing Appreciation
I was against this at first. And I can see why some want it gone. I am sick and tired of every delve or public dungeon I go in, and all I see is arcanist skills all over the place. I blame this on mid/max and content creators for this. I have two max characters, and I pick one other skill line for both, and none are arcanist skill lines. Since I solo ESO, this has not been a problem for me. I do my own research for my characters. I am not a follower of someone else's ideas.
