Alchemy surveys really annoy me because they're so limited. All the others will give back a good percentage of the mats needed to do the writs but not alchemy. Especially as the mats needed to make the actual potions are much less than the additional ingredients. I would love to see alchemy surveys change to satchels that can contain any alchemy mat instead of just half a dozen different flowers. It's ridiculous that I have over 12k of each of those flowers and I still have to regularly spend hours farming mudcrabs on top of killing any I come across

It doesn't matter what gets included with WoW if I don't like playing WoW. If you feel the value over there is better, play it instead. I'm not sure the point of your post to be honest. People should play what they enjoy and spend their money on what they want. I bought The War Within and played it one whole month before realizing that I can't stand WoW anymore, so for me it was a ripoff.

I want to start this by saying that I absolutely love ESO as a game and have spent closer to 10k hours playing it, but with U46 and the addition of subclassing, my motivation to play the game has died down almost completely, but that's not what this post is about. This is about the absurd price/contents of the Season of the Worm Cult content pass. To feed my MMO addiction, I gave WoW a shot and it just made me realize how much more you can get for the same money in other games. Of course the value is kinda subjective, because I'm sure someone absolutely loves the Solstice zone and the story lines, and for them the price tag might be worth it. For me it just left me feeling like I got ripped off.

Here are the contents for the Season of the Worm Cult:
New zone
New trial
4 new dungeons*
New mythic items
New furnishing blueprints
The wall event

I'm not going to include subclassing, as it's free for everyone so it shouldn't be taken into consideration when discussing the price of the season pass. The dungeons are already included in ESO+, so I added an asterisk, because if you have ESO+ you are effectively paying for it twice, as having the newest dungeons is included in both their prices. Nor did I include things like houses, which you have to pay extra to get.

Here is what's included in the newest WoW expansion, War Within:
New zone with 6 large subzones
Hero talents (effectively two new skill lines for each class and spec)
New race
Delves (different to ESO delves, effectively single player dungeons, there are 16 different delves with a few different questlines for each)
Expanded how flying mounts work
3 new raids
10 new dungeons
Account-wide progressions system (Warbands)

(These features were implemented over a two year period instead of one like in ESO.)

Okay, so WoW has clearly way more content in it's expansion pass, so let's compare the prices. They cost exactly the same amount, both being 50€.
You might say that WoW can get away with having lower price to content ratio because it's on a subscription model, but ESO+ and WoW play time have the same price. If you have ESO+ and you bought the newest expansion, you are simply just getting ripped off. If they made all features in ESO+ base game, I could understand having a more expensive content pass, but right now it's just absurd how little you get for your money.

I know we still have the other part of the zone and the wall event to experience, but it has the be the most mind blowing gaming experience to make this content pass even remotely worth the money. Another problem the ESO content pass has is that the things you get are very "specialized". Many don't care about the furnishings, some don't care about the group content, sadly all the mythics are horrible in PvE, so nothing new there either.
Not going to comment on the story line for either expansion, as that is completely subjective, but what I will say is that it took me well over 30 hours to finish the story line in WoW, while it took me 2 hours to beat the one in ESO, while not pressing a single button in combat (made a post about it in the Overland Content thread, can post it again here if someone is curious). I know we only have half of the story so far, so let's be very generous and say it's going to take me 6 hours somehow to beat the full expansion, it's still so much less. I know this is very anecdotal, but the difference was way too big to ignore.

I'm not expecting ZoS to suddenly double the content they are releasing in each content pass, in fact I would be pretty happy if we got 4 dungeons, a raid, a zone and a new gameplay mechanic + other smaller stuff in each content pass, but the price has to match the amount we get, and to me this just isn't nearly worth 50€. If they know that we are getting less this year, since it's a new model and all, and subclassing is free for all players, why are we getting charged as if it's a whole new game's worth of content, when it's clearly not?


I would like to hear how others feel about the new content pass, especially when it comes to the price/content ratio, or if you have experiences with other game's expansions as my experiences are only limited to ESO and WoW.
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AngryPenguin wrote: »

You said yourself you don't play ESO anymore since June, so why keep lobbying for a change you know most of the remaining daily PvP players hate?

Because the remaining daily PvPers are a tiny fraction of what used to be. Vengeance 1 showed the potential of a new Cyro ruleset and mechanical rebuild, which is the "simplest" fix to the layers upon layers of tangles of problems on Live. Something like "heal stacking" is dozens and dozens of smaller problems forming one giant oozing mass of problem.

Vengeance 1 was also the most I've ever seen on the field in this game since 2014. We've never fielded as many as we had in the beginning, poor performance and painful nonsensical combat changes gradually ate away at the player base, until I saw the 150-200+ per side on Vengeance 1 myself, crap mechanics and all, it was unreal. I was hating on the whole concept of Vengeance for a whole month prior, but I did promise I'd change my stance if Vengeance showed promise.

I am more concerned with the current bug that prevents, in particular, cloth surveys from dropping - it would be a disaster if zos took their usual 6 months - 2+ years to fix this. Except for farmers who sell mats, of course.

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Moonspawn wrote: »

Disregarding the handful of individuals that can't handle being targeted by pvpers

Interesting response, considering how quickly you backed down when targeted by a PvPer.



Your energy would be better put towards a dedicated DM queue.

Some individuals just leave the BGs when they get targeted by PvPers, happens a lot over on EU. Others I suspect don't even play PvP, or atleast no one has seen/heard about them until they visit the forums.

Either way, both of these issues would be solved by a proper MMR system.

Vonnegut2506 wrote: »

It doesn't matter what gets included with WoW if I don't like playing WoW. If you feel the value over there is better, play it instead. I'm not sure the point of your post to be honest. People should play what they enjoy and spend their money on what they want. I bought The War Within and played it one whole month before realizing that I can't stand WoW anymore, so for me it was a ripoff.

This isn't a post telling people to move to WoW and of course people can play what they want and everyone has the right to enjoy Season of the Worm Cult. What the post is about is that we as ESO players should demand better for the money we pay. It's not unreasonable to ask for more content in a pass which costs 50€, or to bring the price down to be more reasonable for the hours of playtime we get. Why I included the examples from WoW was to show that expecting more content for the same money is not unreasonable. I know for some 50€ is pocket change, but for me as a student it's not.

If you enjoy Seasons of the Worm Cult now, wouldn't it be just better if there was more content included in the pass or if the price was just lower?

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

Enemoriana wrote: »

Thumbless_Bot wrote: »

How do you know this? Is there a repeating pattern or is it listed somewhere?

Thanks

There is cycle of 56 weeks, with each 2 weeks as one theme. Repeating items + one new (sometimes more than one).

Next week will be:
Alinor Pedestal, Shrine
Deadlands Brazier, Gold
Sigil Stand
Altmer Brazier, Cold-Flame Column
Sigil, Kynareth
Sigil, Mara
Sigil, Stendarr
Sigil, Zenithar
Systres Brazier, Cold -Flame
Brazier, Dragon-Headed Cold-Flame
Basin of the Divines
Alinor Shrine, Phynaster
Alinor Shrine, Y’ffre
+ something new

Thanks. Are these weeks and then furnishing listed somewhere?

I have actually compiled my own list over the last few years, shock horror with pen and paper...... really showing my age there!

The only thing that can change the rotation slightly is the Hearts Day/Valentines themed two weeks which usually appear in February.... I say usually because this year they did not appear!!

Then in October there is usually a two week period with Halloween/Spooky type items, we will see if those get removed this year come October.

These items appear for two weeks and the items that were next in the rotation appear afterwards and the rotation carries on.

Elsonso wrote: »

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

I keep seeing calls for crossplay being rooted in the fact that "PVP is dead," and that it's needed to have enough people to make PVP interesting on consoles again. But you people need to realize that crossplay isn't going to fix this. PVP is dead because ZOS can't quit their monetization-driven addiction of adding sets to the game.

The problem with performance in PVP is that the "tree" of things that all have to be checked -- ON THE SERVER SIDE -- EVERY SECOND -- FOR EVERY PERSON IN THE FIGHT -- just keeps growing and growing. Every time I point out how ZOS needs to get rid of a whole bunch of sets to reduce this complexity, I get mocked for it. Every time I try to give an example of some niche set that surely no one uses, someone comes out of the woodwork to complain that they have some stupid solo RP character that is built entirely around the idea of that set, and thus it would be egregiously unfair and immoral to remove the set from the game. Regardless, this proliferation is what's killing PVP performance.

Maybe their new simplified PVP test will find a way to streamline what's usable in PVP -- and not run the remaining PVP'ers off -- and "prune" enough of the logic tree to make things performant again. But until they do this, just sticking what's left of you PVP'ers into two (US/EU) servers is going to... wait for it... exacerbate the performance problems all over again, and drive off another portion of you guys who won't put up with it... which will result in calls to combine the US and EU servers, which can't be done because of intercontinental lag.

To be clear, I want crossplay, but it's not going to "fix" PVP.

It isn't going to fix PVP, no. I don't think PVP has been a main feature of ESO for most of the last 10 years. It has been sidelined with balance and performance problems, and is now suffering through paring back game play to try and boost performance. All crossplay will do is allow the remaining PVP players to get together in one place.

Crossplay will primarily be a PVE thing. Dungeons and Trials. Guilds. Housing. Social. Done properly, it could really benefit the PVE players.

I will be somewhat surprised if they even offer cross play in Cyrodiil and Imperial City. Battlegrounds, maybe. Dueling, sure.

Lmao why would they leave out cyrodiil for crossplay 😂 Its not gonna happen. It will be for everything