I've been playing Elder Scrolls Online less and less lately. This is the first month that I haven't logged in at all, and I think that's a sign I'm starting to move on. I stopped doing the daily endeavors last month, and I'm not even bothering to check the daily login rewards anymore. :-(

IMO we shouldn't have daily rewards at all. Login rewards are just a shill way of inflating corporate player numbers.

As a game we are better off incentivizing actual gameplay and rewarding it. Like make PvP end of campaign rewards more important. Or bg leaderboard rewards. Or arena rewards. Or trials. etc. You could structure the whole game's rewards such that you cross pollinate pve and pvp players.

For a 10 year player you should understand that if they gave out free, no effort collectibles every day, there would be no reason to play the game in a few months. The daily free logins should only be simple collectibles that boost new player experience.

Æthërnüm wrote: »

who has "no place to play" in current PvP? i mean, why? these tests do not do anything to us, nothing positive, if there would be a real deal with tests - i would notice it, nothing from Vengeance went to live (i know only one good thing and it's a target for target heals).

Players who dislike current ruleset, who enjoyed no-proc, and do not enjoy playing set vs set.

Tests aren’t concluded so obviously no impact on live yet.

Æthërnüm wrote: »

Most likely it's just a job to look like they do something and thinking about something or trying to change current PvP to some sort of stupid boring zergrush which is not fun (and still, nothing disturbs players to zergrush in current PvP). There's nothing about ball groups, small scales, solo player (i am pretty sure devs hate solo pvpers).

I don’t think ZOS needs to pretend they working on anything. I mean, what’s the point of running one year plus of structured tests if not to fix issues? If conspiracy theory at least made some tiny bit of sense…

I shouldn't like Vengeance. But I do because Cyro PvP has become so boring. Same "3,2,1 ult" ball groups, same lag spikes, everyone wearing the same gear and using the same skills. ZoS has made good changes. They removed cross-healing. They removed proc-sets. Then they brought them back lol. And here we are. All I can say is that I'm looking forward to the next Vengeance campaign.

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tomofhyrule wrote: »

If they did that, then there should be different rewards for each queue: 1 transmute and "one daily writ" worth of XP for doing a basegame, and the 10 transmutes and the normal random XP for doing a DLC.

...because the entire point of the random queue is to backfill dungeons for people who need groups. People aren't looking for help with their FGI speedrun, so there's no way it should be as rewarding as helping someone get through Black Gem Foundry.

Come to think of it, I really think it should have a dynamic reward anyway

• Higher reward for DLC than basegames
• Higher reward for vet than normals
• Bonus rewards if someone in the group completed the dungeon quest (to encourage people to allow people to quest)

have not read through all the comments, but they do this in other games and it works GREAT. they should be different queues with different rewards because doing FG1 and doing a dlc are NOT the same amount of work. if you have different queues, then ppl don't mind queueing for the harder things because they will get a reward that fits it

this was not as big of an issue before because if ppl didn't want the dungeons, they just didn't buy them. but now the only way to do that was to not buy solstice.

The power discrepancy in those other games wasn't as large as this one. I think drastically reduced rewards for doing it on normal e.g. no transmutes and reduced exp would make sense for other games. But, in this game, the rewards being the same make sense because then people don't have a reason to queue for stuff they're not ready to do. The queue times are already long with x dungeon barely ever succeeding.

that's another great thing about different queues. you can put different requirements on them. you can see the levels there to the side. and the two that are locked up above. i was on a lower level alt when i took the screenshot. one is locked to me because i'm not lvl 100 on that one. the other is because i have not unlocked certain end game dungeons. some of them have item level requirements of course we don't have item level here >.> but they could link it to achievements or cp or something. they could even put specific achievements in the game needed to unlock those queues

A player in this game can be max cp and have 15 times less dps than someone with less cp than them. It's actually super extreme the power imbalance between floor and ceiling and I'm not sure how they could possibly weed that out short of making people prove their capabilities, which I don't think many would be willing to do.

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Don't get me wrong. I think the gap has gotten smaller over the years and that it's fine if people don't want to do all that. It's just I think the gap is pretty large and I think that's probably why the rewards are currently the same.

I actually don't mind getting the dlc dungeons, especially if it's one I don't have my sticker book full. What DOES irk me is the people "rolling" on a dungeon and because it's a "harder" one dipping, leaving the others(who waited in the que just like everyone else) to hang.

Rewards/punishment should be jumped up. Leave kicking as it is to a vote but if you abandon then a 24 hr penalty on all dungeons, account wide. To give incentive up the rewards (50 transmutes, writ rewards, something)

Æthërnüm wrote: »

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Æthërnüm wrote: »

all population of Vengeance based on event they actually put into the game for the duration. Last Vengeance i've seen (second one) on EU was quite bad, i mean, 1-2 days of lock and then numbers significantly dropped for the rest of the time.

What makes me think that whole "positive" side of Vengeance is not that it is really good, but because it has rewards. Me myself wasn't participating that crap and won't, once they make it permanent - i leave the game. Pretty upset to admit, that it may be future of PvP (Vengeance itself) where i have no place to play (i am solo old vXer).

Being really good (as in interesting/engaging/fun) isn't the point of Vengeance atm. Since V1 PTS, players have been complaining about balance issues, and pointing out that even if it is only a test, it still needs to be fun to get high and sustained participation. But ZOS replied along these lines "it's a performance test, balance isn't our focus rn". So here we are.
And rewards aren't that great, I mean it's mostly AP.

I'm pretty confident that Vengeance "itself", as we know it so far, isn't the future of Cyrodiil. There will likely be more tests with more systems, and eventually with sets; the mode will evolve.
Hopefully, it will reach a point where it becomes really good to both, players who enjoy current PvP and players who have no place to play in current PvP.

who has "no place to play" in current PvP? i mean, why? these tests do not do anything to us, nothing positive, if there would be a real deal with tests - i would notice it, nothing from Vengeance went to live (i know only one good thing and it's a target for target heals). Most likely it's just a job to look like they do something and thinking about something or trying to change current PvP to some sort of stupid boring zergrush which is not fun (and still, nothing disturbs players to zergrush in current PvP). There's nothing about ball groups, small scales, solo player (i am pretty sure devs hate solo pvpers).

Vengeance has no point of existence, beside it goes on forever once they done with "tests". But as i said: many players will leave, coz we play current PvP exactly because of this "disbalance", i mean, skill still matters.

Vengeance is like the best thing for solo players lol. Live pvp is only zergs and ball groups. Unless you go to bgs it is a barren wasteland for casuals and solo players. Our solo 5 piece bonuses are worth 300-600wd whereas if you play in a group with group sets your 5 piece bonuses are worth 3k+ wd. Solo and casual players have literally been power crept out of existence. Before the game was designed to give tools to solo players with active skills to level the playing field when outnumbered. Now those have been stripped away and given to zergs and groups. Not only that but the fact that it is just passively boosting groups makes it worse......you can't mess up passive no brain stat boosts.

How can pvp tests do nothing positive? They hardly impact your gameplay as is being a week long test every 3 months. If anything, the fact that they are doing the tests shows that the pvp team within zos has been given more power or freedom after recent hierarchy changes. As they implement more systems as tests, they will hopefully balance out things like Foods being clearly better, mundus, enchants, etc.

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Also the biggest perk, vengeance provides way more solo and 1vX fights on the forums here than there are actual fights in live cyrodil.

Arguing, especially over minor details, isn't a sign of a bad game.

It's a sign of the evolution of our Culture.

Great read for anyone interested in understanding why bgs are in the state they are in.

https://www.thegamer.com/the-elder-scrolls-online-lead-pvp-designer-brian-wheeler-interview-update-44-battlegrounds/

Imperial_Archmage wrote: »

As in either increase its abysmal drop rate or remove it from the daily professional writs circuit because it’s literally a massive gold loss to do those dailies.

There's an addon Lazy Writ Crafter - you can in settings, drop alchemy writs with certain ingredients (you choose) automagically.