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Re: No more DLC dungeons
I would love Dungeons, if only I didn't have to do them with other people.
Re: Vengeance – An Unsustainable False Positive
For some reason everyone supporting Vengeance and equal stats is expected to prove he plays and succeeds in opposed GH/BR/RW with unequal stat as much as those liking it who will quit as soon as Vengeance becomes permanent even as option.
And even those who do are called pver, hypocritical or unloyal to PvP playerbase
Since Vengeance testing has begun, the split in the pvp community grows wider every day. There is no such thing anymore as a “causal pvper”. There are only the real pvpers (pvp main since beta) and a crowd of pveers who hate pvp (players who see Vengeance’s potential). At best, we are qualified as pvp tourists. And only the real true pvp mains have the right to suggest anything about pvp (and only against Vengeance, otherwise they are sabotaging).
This is ridiculous. By dismissing entirely newer players perspectives and insights, real true pvp mains are killing their own mode by not solving the exodus of players and not allowing newcomers either. And then the only clue they come up with is that it is all zos’ fault, while in an MMO, players’ attitudes are vital too.
This approach reinforces my view that there is no place for players like me in the vet Cyro. I’m a pve main but I’ve lost all interest in pve since I got sucked into pvp. I was still learning and not ready for vet yet, and now there’s nowhere for me to l2p.
If there’s only vet available, how newer players are supposed to progress? Full blown proc-hell and ballgroup fest is an extremely unfriendly environment for learners. If there is no place to progress then some players stop playing entirely and the pvp mode, which is unique in ESO, is slowly agonizing without fresh blood.
Re: Feedback On Console Environmental Sustainability Features
Yes, with U47 it is now toggable. Thank you!
Re: Subclassing: what are some ways that you use to deal with loss of class identity?
Khajiit does not believe in 'class identity', especially not in an Elder Scrolls game. This one has avoided nearly all other games that force him to attempt to fit into some bald-bottom ***-wad's vision of how RPGs should be run and how his characters should be - no thanks! Khajiit's -characters- provide their identity, not the 'club' they belong to.
Even Gary Gygax got away from the enforced class-based "LOTR-plus-plus" version of who and what characters can be with his first post D&D game Dangerous Journeys, which did not have classes.
This one has played ES games since Arena was released, and there are only 2 reasons why this one continues to do so.
1. Khajiit
2. Skill-based not class-based.
Finally ESO is truly an ES game.
All 19 of this one's khajiit (as well as his argonian with fluffy delusions) have at least some subclassing going on, although khajiit is still experimenting.
To be honest, Subclassing has allowed all 20 of this one's main characters be MORE of who they are, more distilled and precise and unique in their own identity.
Even Gary Gygax got away from the enforced class-based "LOTR-plus-plus" version of who and what characters can be with his first post D&D game Dangerous Journeys, which did not have classes.
This one has played ES games since Arena was released, and there are only 2 reasons why this one continues to do so.
1. Khajiit
2. Skill-based not class-based.
Finally ESO is truly an ES game.
All 19 of this one's khajiit (as well as his argonian with fluffy delusions) have at least some subclassing going on, although khajiit is still experimenting.
To be honest, Subclassing has allowed all 20 of this one's main characters be MORE of who they are, more distilled and precise and unique in their own identity.
Re: No more DLC dungeons
I just wish some of the new dungeon DLC had a solo/story mode for those who don't like the group content. For me, the dungeon group stuff I've done in the past was not fun at all because of some players. So I don't do them anymore. If they are going to put out 4, can 2 of them have a story /solo mode on them.
Ideally, they'd all have an optional story-mode, not just half of them. I'd run story-mode, if they'd implement it.
I've always been a solo player in video games, and I never thought I would run group content in any MMO, including ESO.
I still hold to that, partially, in that I will never, ever PUG in any game.
But seven years into my time with this game, I now have a small group of friends with whom I run dungeons and trials (normal and vet) on a daily basis.
(The longest-term friend in that group is someone I met outside of the game, who did not play at the time we met; I Introduced her to ESO.)
I agree PUGs can easily ruin the fun, but the fun can be retained with a few friends. And that's coming from a textbook introvert.
Re: No more DLC dungeons
It seems the forums are a minority in liking 4 dungeons a year.
Feast of Shadows just came out on Xbox and literally nobody is doing the new dungeons I was spamming Lfg in my 5 guilds and nothing. I eventually got a group in one of my guilds, but it felt like I was begging people to come along its strange behavior why do I have to beg in guilds to do new content on day one.
I even queued in the dungeon finder as a healer for Vet Naj-Caldeesh around 7PM PST just to see something and sat in queue for 15 minutes.I get it that ESO has to have 4 content updates a year to pay the bills, but I would rather have maybe 2 or 3 better updates
- Either ESO is dying on Xbox which seems like the most plausible explanation and probably not worth my time playing on console anymore.
- People aren't buying the content pass
something like
Q1: no release
Q2 1 dungeon, trial and huge area zone
Q3 No release
Q4: 1 dungeon, smaller zone area
Or have the new zone slowly rolled out thought the year so there is something to do, I guess. 4 dungeons a year is a waste of dev time if nobody is interacting or buying the content. I would rather that dev time go to bigger and better zones than dungeons 1% will ever step foot in.
I would like to see how many daily active players have Feast of Shadows Delver or Fallen Banners Delver.
This thread is a garbage take, you think no one is playing the dungeons? I am drowning in groups dor the new ones, its the highlights of the year, but lets play a game, we will now stop making content that no one plays.
You might not know this, but on xbox you can see how much % of playerbase have the achievements, lets look at them shall we?
0.08% have the achievemt for finishing gold road
0.05% have finished western soltice
0.07% have finished 16 quests in solstice
Lets do some older ones
0.15% have finished high isle
0.18% have finished elseweyr
0.29% have finished murkmire
0.41% have finished hews bane
0.21% have finished morrowind
And one more
5.85% have the achievement for getting a character to level 50
We can compare with some dungeons
0.11% have ER and LS completed on normal, 0.05% on vet
0.24% have OP and BV on normal, 0.09% on vet
0.32% have BS and SH on normal, 0.12% on vet
0.34% have ERE and GD on normal, 0.09% on vet
0.22% MHK and MoS on vet
0.20% BDV and Cauldron on vet
As you can see for some dungeons there are a higher completion rates than zones.
Barely anyone is finishing any zones
or questing they should for shure stop msking new ones, no one wants to play that boring crap, and barely 6% on people get to level 50. So this means they should just stop developing the game itself, why waste the time when 95% just drop the game completely?
It would be interesting to have stats for PC players
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Re: Vengeance test key metric - player interest
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Forcing us to play vengeance is a slap to the face. ZOS shouldn't even be putting time into developing a new PvP system. They should fix the system they already have.
It will interesting to see how it goes with no golden pursuit to draw the PvE mains though.
How do you suppose they fix the system they already have? You realize they will have to test regardless..... Which people will complain about regardless....... So what's the difference? I am atleast happy that we are getting more effort than them just disabling a system and then going nope didnt work, ok we give up. They already attempted strip tests from live several times with no results. It only makes sense to go from the other side of the problem and make a platform where you can add in systems one at a time to find issues.
Its no different than having 50 addons and an error. Either you get a clear crash message and can pinpoint a fix, or the message is unclear and you have to investigate. Maybe you can guess and disable the 1/50 addon that is causing the issue. Maybe you can't after a few attempts and decide it is better to disable all addons and slowly add them back in until the error pops up again.
The problem is that the way zos has been poorly communicating their intent is making PvP players avoid the test. People are essentially boycotting it hoping it sends the message that people dont like template pvp. They don't want pvp to boil down to just unmorphed skills which is all that vengeance is right now. Test wise it has to be like this, sets can't come back until a handful of other base game systems are rewritten and introduced. You cant have sets without stat changes, stat changes don't matter unless skills are based on stats, etc.
I disagree with the boycott concept because it is counterintuitive. We already know player dilution matters. A vet pvper will induce thousands of times more lag than a brand new player who sits on the walls light attacking from 80m away. So when you boycott all you do is allow more pugs into the server who exponentially show better server performance. At the end of the day your boycott made vengeance look better data wise from what zos sees.
Also as a pvper you are shooting yourself in the foot at rejecting the only serious involvement we got in a decade. So would you rather wait another decade while complaining? I just don't get it, ive been waiting since 2015 to get a fix. The same people complain about lag say something needs to be tested and fixed, but then they wont allow the test to happen? Make up your mind or at least dont be hypocritical, state that you enjoy the lag and don't want live pvp to change.
ZOS needs to limit heal and shield stacking to only one instance of each shield or heal at any given time. This is what we've been asking for going on 5 years or more now.
Agreed, this is how the game was originally, but pve raid groups had too many overlapping skills because we had far less options back in the day. Now we have too many options that can all stack. Another benefit other than just the calculations saved is that you prevent meta abuse. You can't suddenly release a proc set or skill like the famous Soultrap + Sloads meta and have everyone use it......since it wont stack you wont see everyone abuse it, and youll avoid the headache.
The counterargument in this case is "Oh but I run a 48 man zerg and we wont be as efficient". At a certain point we have to wonder, how much does it hurt a group to overlap a few skills? Where in reality they are already casting into a void. Likely the loss is never really felt, witnessed, or quantified, but the benefit of XXX less possible calculations is huge.
SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »No reason those of us who will never play any version of vengeance no matter what to help ZOS test a system that, if implemented, will be the end of ESO for us.MincMincMinc wrote: »Forcing us to play vengeance is a slap to the face. ZOS shouldn't even be putting time into developing a new PvP system. They should fix the system they already have.
It will interesting to see how it goes with no golden pursuit to draw the PvE mains though.
How do you suppose they fix the system they already have? You realize they will have to test regardless..... Which people will complain about regardless....... So what's the difference? I am atleast happy that we are getting more effort than them just disabling a system and then going nope didnt work, ok we give up. They already attempted strip tests from live several times with no results. It only makes sense to go from the other side of the problem and make a platform where you can add in systems one at a time to find issues.
Its no different than having 50 addons and an error. Either you get a clear crash message and can pinpoint a fix, or the message is unclear and you have to investigate. Maybe you can guess and disable the 1/50 addon that is causing the issue. Maybe you can't after a few attempts and decide it is better to disable all addons and slowly add them back in until the error pops up again.
The problem is that the way zos has been poorly communicating their intent is making PvP players avoid the test. People are essentially boycotting it hoping it sends the message that people dont like template pvp. They don't want pvp to boil down to just unmorphed skills which is all that vengeance is right now. Test wise it has to be like this, sets can't come back until a handful of other base game systems are rewritten and introduced. You cant have sets without stat changes, stat changes don't matter unless skills are based on stats, etc.
I disagree with the boycott concept because it is counterintuitive. We already know player dilution matters. A vet pvper will induce thousands of times more lag than a brand new player who sits on the walls light attacking from 80m away. So when you boycott all you do is allow more pugs into the server who exponentially show better server performance. At the end of the day your boycott made vengeance look better data wise from what zos sees.
Also as a pvper you are shooting yourself in the foot at rejecting the only serious involvement we got in a decade. So would you rather wait another decade while complaining? I just don't get it, ive been waiting since 2015 to get a fix. The same people complain about lag say something needs to be tested and fixed, but then they wont allow the test to happen? Make up your mind or at least dont be hypocritical, state that you enjoy the lag and don't want live pvp to change.
I understand not wanting to have to beta test something that shouldn't need to be. Ultimately it was poor management and standard book keeping over the years that lead to the spaghetti code and power creep in calculations.
IMO you either do nothing and have your voice not heard, or you participate and point out all of the issues in vengeance while enforcing things that are the right direction........ Like for instance you just pointed out the effect stacking issue on live. That issue ONLY gets fixed by using vengeance's PvP and PvE split system where the new pvp skills can abide by different rules that the PvE power creep has forced on us.
Re: Playstation Save Error not solved or forgotten in Patch Notes?
@ZOS_Kevin The patch notes should definitely also mention that what you do on mods.bethesda.net now affects the game!
Vengeance test key metric - player interest
I'm hoping for the next vengeance campaign ZOS keeps GH running as well to evaluate the most important metric of all: what do players prefer. My hope is that both instances are pop-locked at prime time with some players enjoying the larger crowds and simpler rulesets of Veng and others wanting the epic siege battles and tuned META builds of GH. Until a "normal" campaign is left enabled during a veng test we just won't know for sure.