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Re: Vengeance 4 perk and loadout system livestream announcement
I was shocked! [sarcasm] to hear the developer in charge of the Vengeance "test" mention that its U49 incarnation scheduled for early 2026 aims at balancing outgoing damage/healing caps for their simplified abilities.
If Vengeance were truly a performance test, there'd be no need to worry about its combat balance -- nor would there be a justification to invest considerable dev resources in new UIs, or new systems (perks), or new inventory tabs, or any of these enhancements being invested in this misguided game mode for lazy, casual players who are unwilling to engage with the depth of ESO's existing PvP.
Passing Vengeance off as a test has always felt pretty disingenuous to me for this reason. Do the developers really think we're that stupid? (Don't answer that. Many of us are.) What began as a "can we even do this?" exercise in validating performance assumptions/hunches has clearly morphed into a "omg, it's working -- this is how we fulfill our OG vision for massive warfare in Cyrodiil!"
Well, to that I say: if that's how you see it, you are making a big mistake and throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Solving performance at the expense of character expression, build diversity, and theorycrafting to such a massive extent is absurd!
The short spurts of Vengeance on live server may still be "tests" insofar as they are testing new functionality re-introduced to Cyrodiil, but please -- respect our intelligence and stop pretending that Vengeance as a concept is a "test". It's obvious to anyone paying attention that Cyrodiil as many of us know and love today will soon be eclipsed by this ill-conceived experiment.
I understand that eradicating lag in Cyrodiil is the goal. I understand that making PvP more accessible to new players is also a priority. It's just sad that ZoS' approach here is to go completely counter to the studio's other mantras: play how you want! (Except in Vengeance.) Subclassing is the new shiny way to play out your power fantasy! (Except in Vengeance.) These "hard-coded" templates, loadouts, generic gear, morphless skills are NO REPLACEMENT for the depth of customization that ESO players have grown to expect with their characters over the past 10 years. Please stop pretending otherwise.
Sincerely,
A long-time Cyrodiil enjoyer and Vengeance hater
He also said that the same test you're talking about will happen alongside Grey Host. The vibe I got from that is that the end result would be a completed Vengeance mode alongside Grey Host if possible.
Soarora
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Re: No base game update in 48?
Punches_Below_Belt wrote: »How can they not understand that unless we get a paycheck from ZOS, we don’t care what the corporate structure is, what their job title is, what their job responsibilities are? We didn’t tune in for a LinkedIn round table.
If your position is relevant to why you are avoiding answering my questions and not fixing the QoL issues by all means slip it in. Otherwise, give me information I need or want to play the game.
I’m also kind of sick of the reveal/not a reveal game. If we cared about spoilers we wouldn’t be tuning in. Why would I want to watch you run around for half an hour trying to avoid spoilers?
They always seem more interested in entertaining each other than answering questions . I’m also always secondhand embarrassed by how badly they play their own game.
Some things I did learn today that I had always suspected. The second half of Solstice is no more interesting than the first.half. The “season pass” was a shrinkflation cash grab and they weren’t going to reveal it until as late as possible i.e. this stream. “This is a transition year” How about you transition twenty dollars back into my account? They think recycling assets, call backs and milking played out aspects of the game are fooling the players and a positive experience that they can continue to ride for another twenty years.
Perfectly stated. My growing list of friends that never log in also agree.
I stopped watching their live streams after the PvP Q&A when they answered only easy, silly questions. Difficult questions are never addressed and the reveals give no meaningful tidbits or sneak peaks. It gives the impression that ZOS cares only about new players and does not have a desire to retain older players.
This game is hemorrhaging "old" players and with them goes vast amounts of information. PvP is in the worst state since I've played ESO and don't even get a bone. Vengeance tests do not count - that was the reason for the seasons, so experiments can happen. That shouldn't mean nothing else happens, particularly with these long-standing and game-breaking bugs.
I would like to remind @ZOS_Kevin that players are desperate for change. They want to be engaged, feel listened to (not heard), and to feel like game development is making progress. Several patches now have gone in the complete opposite direction - how long are we supposed to wait for positives? People complain because they love the game. Those that don't just disappear without a trace.
Re: No base game update in 48?
valenwood_vegan wrote: »My point is just that you guys really *are* gonna have to come through on the "bigger things are coming" part eventually.
Midnight's selling feature is 10K housing item limit.
<gasp>
Re: No base game update in 48?
^ This gives me hope that all outdoor homes can be upgraded to 700 slots.
Or that our overall housing item limit will increase for all houses.
*Starts praying to every Daedric Prince* I will sell my soul, sanity, and ability to consume cheese for increased furniture limit.
I would love to be able to add 100 slots to a house, say, upgrade classic to notable or even better upgrade notable to Grand @ 800 slots. I would pay real money for this if it was a crown store option. Now if they'd go ahead and bring back 4v4v4 I'd never have anything to complain about ever again 😊
Favorite alliance answer
Since a wintery-cold forum mod arbitrarily closed another thread, which was a poll asking for players favorite alliance, I am creating a new thread, as requested by the mod, by saying mine is Ebonheart pact. I like the color scheme, I like the dragon motif, and I like Argonians and Dunmer. The nords are eh but I suppose they're what provides the dragon motif.
But this thread is just for my answer since I don't have a way to post it otherwise. I'm on standby for when mods decide to close the fashion megathread due to its age too 🫡 I hope they don't get upset either, since their thread closures are a form of public communication/posts. So mentioning it here to explain why this thread even exists shouldn't be considered a no-no (hopefully).
But this thread is just for my answer since I don't have a way to post it otherwise. I'm on standby for when mods decide to close the fashion megathread due to its age too 🫡 I hope they don't get upset either, since their thread closures are a form of public communication/posts. So mentioning it here to explain why this thread even exists shouldn't be considered a no-no (hopefully).
Malyore
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Re: The new hairstyle "Curly Tresses" reacts to your costumes dye zones and changes color in one spot
I've noticed that as well on a character that had the Cyrod Gentry's Town costume on, it was dyed blue and gold, and there was a small gold mark on the hair in the front, as if the character was wearing a partially hidden tiara (I didn't have any accessories on them). I'm a bit disappointed with this style; I've been asking for curly hairstyles for years, and I know others in the forums have as well, but this style falls short on so many counts:
The hairline and scalp look odd because of the raised volume in the roots, the texture looks as if it's straight hair that's been curled, rather than naturally curly hair, and even then it's not very well done, because at some parts it looks like straw or like paper streamers--some of the curls even look angled, like a fold in a paper. I'm glad we finally got a non-straight hair style, but I wish it was more like the hair seen on a character in one of the Murkmire wallpapers, that would have been a great style to have instead.
The hairline and scalp look odd because of the raised volume in the roots, the texture looks as if it's straight hair that's been curled, rather than naturally curly hair, and even then it's not very well done, because at some parts it looks like straw or like paper streamers--some of the curls even look angled, like a fold in a paper. I'm glad we finally got a non-straight hair style, but I wish it was more like the hair seen on a character in one of the Murkmire wallpapers, that would have been a great style to have instead.
Jaimeh
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Re: Update 48 Livestream live reaction
spartaxoxo wrote: »Brian Wheeler now combat & PVP Director. Promotion!
A lot of what he's done before. Wants to explore outside of Cyrodiil soon. More "final" calls than he used to do but a lot of what he's been doing too. Will still be a collaborative and creative environment.
that sounds quite awful
Æthërnüm
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Re: Update 48 Livestream live reaction
Elvenheart wrote: »Finedaible wrote: »Thank you for the summary.
"swimming now properly removes all effects of crouch and invisibility" Why? I thought that change to stealthy swimming WAS a QoL improvement. Now they removed it? Disappointing.
I guess it’s hard to be invisible or stealthy if you’re splashing around in water 😁💦
It was as close as you can get to underwater swimming though.
Re: Update 48 Livestream live reaction
Thank you for the summary.
"swimming now properly removes all effects of crouch and invisibility" Why? I thought that change to stealthy swimming WAS a QoL improvement. Now they removed it? Disappointing.
"swimming now properly removes all effects of crouch and invisibility" Why? I thought that change to stealthy swimming WAS a QoL improvement. Now they removed it? Disappointing.
Re: Subclassing: How to make skills not look jarring together?
Adding skill styles can solve this!!
And by skill styles, I do not just mean color change, but also a change an animation and sound. They’ve done it before with the World-Eater volley!
These skill styles should also complement the fuse between different skill lines. For example, pairing Warden and Necromancer would grant you the skeletal bear look.
Or pairing DK’s Standard of Might with the Nightblade will create a ring of red/black aura that has the same effect/damage.
Ultimately, I think this is also the path to solving Class Identity.
And by skill styles, I do not just mean color change, but also a change an animation and sound. They’ve done it before with the World-Eater volley!
These skill styles should also complement the fuse between different skill lines. For example, pairing Warden and Necromancer would grant you the skeletal bear look.
Or pairing DK’s Standard of Might with the Nightblade will create a ring of red/black aura that has the same effect/damage.
Ultimately, I think this is also the path to solving Class Identity.
