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Re: Subclassing: How to make skills not look jarring together?
CalamityCat wrote: »It honestly can't though.Adding skill styles can solve this!!
While some players might be okay with skills looking visually similar, having cohesion is about more than appearances. It just makes zero sense to have a character with these skill line combinations. They were never designed to work with other class skills and you can tell. Every class is distinctive right down to the bones. Combat and playstyle are different, the classes suit different alignments and player characters in a RP sense too.
A full set of skill styles as you suggest would be a significant undertaking. They would also cost us a fortune in crowns, because that isn't something we'd get for free.Sadly, I can't imagine ZOS are interested in this issue either. Pure class players seem to be mostly ignored and nerfed whenever a subclass build gets too OP.
They do need to bring more incentives to pure classes.
Re: Subclassing: How to make skills not look jarring together?
CalamityCat wrote: »This is why I stuck with pure class builds. Even with skill styles it would still make no sense for my characters to take one or two class lines that make no sense and don't fit even with their alignment. Also, I think pure builds just have a generally cohesive playstyle and feel that you can't get from illogical pick-and-mix subclass combinations.
My current mindset is that I can still do what I could before subclassing, and fortunately have zero interest in doing vet trials. PvP actually feels better for my main builds, and was the only thing I thought I'd get caught out on. So I stuck with my pure classes. I hate that pure builds take a hit every time something needs "balancing" for subclassing, but I've fully quit chasing meta and parsing on dummies. Even with skill styles I can't see a way to make subclassing suit me or my characters. I can't imagine any dev time being spent sorting the jarring aesthetic mish-mash.
Your point about pure classes having a more cohesive playstyle rings true for me, too. In a way, subclassing now makes pure classes feel like the hybrids in that they're not going to be the best at any one role but they're more flexible. If you want a pure DPS, you should combine 3 DPS lines; a pure tank, 3 tank lines; a pure healer, 3 healer lines. If you go with a pure class, though, you're really playing a hybrid build now.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
The point being given for the past 4 years was immersion and that there should be danger from overland mobs. If players are switching back to normal difficulty that is defeating the whole purpose. And if they are switching back and forth unrestricted for better rewards or for easy farming, that is manipulating the system.
Others may not agree, but this is how I see it, and I hope they are taking things like this into consideration.
Others may not agree, but this is how I see it, and I hope they are taking things like this into consideration.
Re: Any update on Romance Options/Food and Potion Hybridization? (NEW AMA answer inside 9/9/2025))!!
I don't mind the concept of having a spouse that shows up in my every home and gives me a perk once a day for going home.
But, romancing my fighting companion would be as awkward for me as when my companion reacted with disgust after I used the Blade of Woe to complete a quest. If this must be done, make it optional, don't add perks that cause me to chose between feeling awkward or missing opportunities.
But, romancing my fighting companion would be as awkward for me as when my companion reacted with disgust after I used the Blade of Woe to complete a quest. If this must be done, make it optional, don't add perks that cause me to chose between feeling awkward or missing opportunities.
shadoza
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Re: Any update on Romance Options/Food and Potion Hybridization? (NEW AMA answer inside 9/9/2025))!!
I don't mind romance on companions, but I hope it has an option to disable it completely. We should be able to set a clear boundary there, because one person's romance would make the next person uncomfortable or worse. I have zero interest in romantic companions, especially if it's all sweet and nice romance. I can only imagine how insufferable Isobel could be with a romance setting. 
What I'd prefer to see is the option for some neutral/evil behaviour and dialogue when companions are out with a less virtuous character. Especially one who is clearly in the Dark Brotherhood/Thieves Guild or a vampire/werewolf. Just a more believable response from a companion would be appreciated. But not having the virtuous ones turn evil, whether a companion is romancing or being more nasty, I don't want them slipping out of character. I want the nicer companions to berate my thief or assassin appropriately.
As for potions/food changes, I just hope that they consider streamlining and making things more straightforward, not adding yet more unnecessary complexity.
What I'd prefer to see is the option for some neutral/evil behaviour and dialogue when companions are out with a less virtuous character. Especially one who is clearly in the Dark Brotherhood/Thieves Guild or a vampire/werewolf. Just a more believable response from a companion would be appreciated. But not having the virtuous ones turn evil, whether a companion is romancing or being more nasty, I don't want them slipping out of character. I want the nicer companions to berate my thief or assassin appropriately.
As for potions/food changes, I just hope that they consider streamlining and making things more straightforward, not adding yet more unnecessary complexity.
Re: Future of Battlegrounds
I’ve been in matches where the opposing team had two Templar healers who would simply alternate being in their Ult so it was literally a persistent, constant, state of massive heals. That Ult is both mobile and un-interruptible. .. Nobody is going to counter that, I don’t care how much experience a player has. That’s because there’s no mechanic to address it.
Not true.
Yes, very true.
Practiced Incantation allows the caster to move and also gains immunity to disabling effects while channeling.
The base cost is only 125 and that has multiple methods of cost reduction, so two Templars can EASILY .. let me stress .. EASILY coordinate popping their Ults back & forth. While one is active the other is genning Ult and vice versa, it’s not hard to do.
With the persistent healing their team can defend them and there’s little the opposing team can do to counter here. They can’t interrupt the casting healer and so much damage is being persistently mitigated.
I’ve seen this more than once. Hence why people are suggesting that outward healing be a factor in MRR and I agree.
"Nobody is going to counter that". Simply not true.
I've killed my share of plars in the middle of their ultimate. Focus them and beat their head in. They will either die during or shortly after their ultimate if you have enough damage.
Re: Any update on Romance Options/Food and Potion Hybridization? (NEW AMA answer inside 9/9/2025))!!
i hope it's not companions we been in too many battles together to even want to think about it bastion (just wish it was easier to move him out of harmful aoe) is just as good as a tank now as some end game players and deserves his life unbothered with any sort of romancing. and mirri is well..mirri..still my favourite companion but so far away from romance may aswell move to the moon. companions need some love alright but not that kind
bastion (just wish it was easier to move him out of harmful aoe) is just as good as a tank now as some end game players and deserves his life unbothered with any sort of romancing. and mirri is well..mirri..still my favourite companion but so far away from romance may aswell move to the moon. companions need some love alright but not that kind
Daoin
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Re: Future of Battlegrounds
Thumbless_Bot wrote: »Thumbless_Bot wrote: »Unholy_Holywarrior wrote: »Thumbless_Bot wrote: »Unholy_Holywarrior wrote: »i hope they seriously remove 'capture the relic' from pvp queue rotation... i utterly detest that mode, it should be removed like they did that one mode where you can only respawn twice and have to spectate the rest of the match...
the issue ive seen with relic games, if your team doesnt score first, the next 20 mins is a complete waste of time, 90% of the time. every relic match i play comes down to who can spawn lock the other team first. its not fun, there is very little chance to turn the tides of a match with current meta of invincible, invisible lightning guys teleport stunning everywhere
also another thing what i think needs to be retooled is waiting 20 minutes in queue, to join a horrible losing match already in progress, with no hope of winning beyond the point of turning it around. seriously, joining those kinds of matches several times in a row, makes me quit the pvp battlegrounds grind for the day...
I am pretty sure the respawn twice thing still exists. It is 4v4 death match. Don't do 4s much any more so not certain.
Some people really enjoy relic. I am against removing content people enjoy.
I think the answer is to allow people the ability to queue for the mode(s) they want. You know, play the way you want and all that jazz. You might have to wait longer to get a game, maybe not, but at least you'll get a game you actually want to play. Could be like dungeon queues. If you want to run x dungeon you might have to wait, especially if you're not a tank, but you get the content you want. You could also queue into any bg, just like any dungeon, for the daily bonus and xp.
and i simply drop the match anytime i load in to a relic match. i simply do not enjoy it. mmr, if it means anything, be damned.
I know the feeling.From now on I'll be referring to the four reasons two-sided BG are so much harder to balance when compared to three-teams as ''four critical flaws''. Shorter this way.
Slightly more fitting than ''abominations''. Speaking of which, Domination weekend has been brutal. Does anyone know when will it end?
Green: 5,6,8
Orange: 1,3,4,5,8
Assigning each of these players to a team of newcomers in 3-sided BGs: Unpredictable and fun for everyone.
It's a shame it can't work in 2-sided BGs.
Looking at the stats here it looks like more than just an imbalance of “new” players being places against experienced ones.
Look at the 3rd player on the Orange team, 11 kills & 11 assists & no deaths while dealing 643k damage output.
Now player 8 on the Green team had a little less damage output, 541k but had no kills and only 3 assist.
Green team had one mid healer (in terms of output) versus the Orange team who had one mid healer and one heavy healer.
Thats your difference. If you consider that players 8 & 3 have similar damage output we should see a (somewhat) similar result between the two .. the swing factor here; extra healing. Player 8’s damage output was mitigated by persistent strong healing while Player 3 didn’t have the same level of healing.
Even with 3 sides BG’s, if you don’t have balanced healing you’re going to get steamrolled; it just won’t matter. One team with significantly more healing can bowl over one or two squads with ease.
I’ve been in matches where the opposing team had two Templar healers who would simply alternate being in their Ult so it was literally a persistent, constant, state of massive heals. That Ult is both mobile and un-interruptible. .. Nobody is going to counter that, I don’t care how much experience a player has. That’s because there’s no mechanic to address it. The Ult is cheap enough and players can get access to enough Ult gen that they can pop it too frequently; especially when there’s two of them. And since you can’t interrupt it, well, you’re porked.
The only counter to that is to have a similar level of healing yourself; this way it then comes down to group cooperation and strategy.
It’s been suggested that healing output be a measure factor in MRR balancing and I agree that would help; epically in matches exactly like this one. Where you guys were just out healed.
I disagree with the premise that same damage output should equal similar KDA. For example, I can go 10-0 in the same bg where another player goes 10-0 and I will almost always do far less damage. I normally do a third of the damage of other players because I dont use proc sets and the only aoe I use are lightning form and beetles.
In other words, damage numbers are usually not important.
I agree that healing is busted. However. I think a simple KDA based mmr will solve most problems. Can't solve.low population though.
KDA won’t solve anything because it won’t address the healing imbalances.
As for damage output; I’m not saying both of those players should have exactly the same outcomes, that’s silly, but, if we have two players with damage outputs that are comparable then their results should be “comparable” .. not exact, not the same, but comparable. .
In this context, those two players had way more damage outputs than the majority of players in that whole match yet only one of them had a high kill count. .. when you look at all of the values it tells a story and in this case it’s clear; the one team had far more significant healing than the other which was the largest contributor to the win.
Yes, I agree, there’s players who don’t have experience and lean on cheese gear or broken builds; but we see different numbers in those cases.
Imbalanced healing is probably issue #1 right now in BG’s, because with that in play no amount of extra teams will save the game … the proverbial ship is sinking and the lifeboats are all gone.
KDA will solve a lot. So will fixing healing and the associated scoring of healing.
I didn't say only inexperienced players run cheese. This isn't about cheese. Just commenting that damage output does not equate to kills. I was in a bg yesterday and got 14 kills and 0 deaths on about 600k damage. My teammate got 10 kills with 1.4 million damage and also died 4 times. Kda matters, not damage.
KDA will solve nothing unless healing is also a factor.
A player who’s DoT heavy will likely see a lot of damage output but few kills, this is because a DoT tick rarely scores the kill shots. Are we saying that player doesn’t contribute or should be ranked low because they’re not hitting kill shots? They’re dealing plenty of damage?
The big thing missing here is the A in KDA. If all you do is dot up a ton of enemies you are going to rack up twice as many assists. So matchmaking wise you could come up even based on weight. What gives an assist can also play into this where you could calculate oh hey, this person did 80% of the target's healthbar. Or hey this person did 5% of the player's healthbar he doesnt get an assist.
At the end of the day kills are what matters and will inherently be the main metric. Building in eso is far to complicated and unregulated for the vast majority of the playerbase and probably zos to understand. This is why you need a simple "what is actually the output" design philosophy.
Re: Update 48 Combat/Balancing Changes
Watched the U 48 Sneak peak twice.
Each Vengeance test is now beginning to feel more useless than the next. It's unimaginable how massive the failure of the lead dev to listen to the simplest and most common feedback from YEARS of posting and move forward.
The next Vengeance test may as well be skipped.
Then there's the pre-made loadout test coming. For 2 weeks.
10 years of free data and the devs still have less of an idea of how to fix Cyrodiil than the most experienced PVP players and guilds who have asked for literally the same thing ad-nauseum.
...but yeah, more meetings. He spoke about tuning abilities while adding a minor 33% execute buff. What tuning and how is this much damage minor?!!
#epicfail
Each Vengeance test is now beginning to feel more useless than the next. It's unimaginable how massive the failure of the lead dev to listen to the simplest and most common feedback from YEARS of posting and move forward.
The next Vengeance test may as well be skipped.
Then there's the pre-made loadout test coming. For 2 weeks.
10 years of free data and the devs still have less of an idea of how to fix Cyrodiil than the most experienced PVP players and guilds who have asked for literally the same thing ad-nauseum.
...but yeah, more meetings. He spoke about tuning abilities while adding a minor 33% execute buff. What tuning and how is this much damage minor?!!
#epicfail
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
twisttop138 wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »The point being given for the past 4 years was immersion and that there should be danger from overland mobs. If players are switching back to normal difficulty that is defeating the whole purpose. And if they are switching back and forth unrestricted for better rewards or for easy farming, that is manipulating the system.
Others may not agree, but this is how I see it, and I hope they are taking things like this into consideration.
No dear, that was not the point given. There were many and varied points given. Multitudes of people want different things for different reasons. Who are you to say what people want it for or dictate? It's frankly none of your business if I want to have harder quest boss and 5 seconds later go do an easy survey and then immediately after that do a hard quest. All through this thread you speak as if you're in some kind of control. Please stop pretending like you have the sum of all answers and know the reason people want things. You don't.
We all have the right to present our feedback as we see it.