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Re: Vengeance 4 perk and loadout system livestream announcement
MincMincMinc wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »
Beyond that, this is PvP we are talking about. With ESO’s customization, 2 players can be fully geared out at max level and 1 of those players can literally have double the raw power of the other person. There’s so many situations where one build is simply better than another without any tradeoffs at all.
If someone is serious about fair PvP, why would they put up with that? Truly competitive players or pvpers want to win or lose based on skill, otherwise they’ll quit for more skill based games. The lack of balance and the level at which you can outbuild someone keeps ESO unappealing to many of the people who enjoy PvP games.
Some level of build customization in ESO is fine. With sets and skill lines so wildly out of balance with each other though, it’s become a huge issue, both for accessibility and skill expression.
There’s definitely a vocal group of ESO “pvpers” that must love farming players with builds that can’t compete. If you really deserve to be getting kills, you’ll do just fine on more equal footing.
We clearly have very different ideas of what makes someone good at the game, and that's OK. Fortunately for you, it seems the devs agree with yours and don't agree with mine.
IMO, if someone is serious about PvP, they shouldn't shy away from investing the time and resources to take full advantage of ESO's complex builds. Knowing how to theorycraft and leverage an effective setup is part of what makes someone skilled at the game. If one person is CP 3000 with all stickers learned, tens of millions of gold/AP earned, tens of thousands of raw mats hoarded, and thousands of hours of practice, I don't think it's unreasonable for that to represent a material advantage when they fight a CP 140 who just started the game a month prior. What's wrong with asking a new player to put in some time and effort and earn their power?
If a player is so clever and so "skilled" as you say, then they why do need to crutch on having more resources? The answer is simple. They don't. They just enjoy deleting noobs without fear of ever losing. There is nothing "truly competitive" about that at all. It's more about being indignant that a new player can have the same amount of resources without having to run those dungeons or dig up those leads.
Hard to delete noobs, when they don't even participate anymore lol. Cyro has skewed so far in favor of organized groups that we only see noobs and people learning in bgs. Which we shouldn't even see.....but the MMR system resets and keeps pairing up 10year veteran pvpers against cp160 fresh off the boat players. Even the past MyM events have hardly brought in people to try pvp. I only saw a handful of questers this MyM too when normally there used to be hundreds. Its so bad I can count the number of hatetells with one hand.
To be fair the hard part isnt putting in the work. It takes less than an hour to go pickup RallyingCry and then craft stuhns or orders wrath and be 90% the way there. Most people have some monster set they can fill in and even the basic mythics like markyn or DDF will do fine.
The real hard part is learning all of the tips and tricks that are necessary in pvp, like simple get up and go tricks like needing all impen. Jewels of misrule. Which skillines are efficient like Assassin, animal, stormcalling. Which traits and enchants frontbar and backbar. How to rebind your cc break.
Take a new player without any prior knowledge and toss em into greyhost......how do we seriously expect their pvp experience to be? Its 2025 and we still see people asking how to leave cyrodil from time to time.
I do agree this is more of an issue than the material advantage players accumulate through CP or grinding. In particular the tiny replacement pool of future PvP players to replace those who will eventually leave.
I don;t think that enough players get this. It might be fun to play in an environment that has such a high skill level requirement or having access to powerful things that newer players lack, but it's going to necessarily mean a niche setting where only a dedicated few are going to have fun and play. Perhaps that's ultimately what some folks want, but ESO is a product that requires labor, development, and resources to maintain and improve, and those are not going to be made available if Cyrodiil is a ghost town.
You're absolutely right that most new players joining GH are not going to have the sort of experience to come back, let alone be motivated to do any sort of loop grind. Cyrodiil was not always like this.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
Yeah... we need more flexibility of enjoyment for solo playing by adding an optional difficulty slider.
This is very true too. I'm all in favor of things like story modes for dungeons and adding vengeance as a PVP option to better improve what casuals get. I think the game benefits for more options for everyone. And that all those options should be fun. But right now the player group that lacks the most options for play is the solo vet player. I'm glad they are finally addressing it.
Re: Crown Crate Items - Need Solution for Unwanted or Undesirable
If I could exchange all the unwanted tattoos for gems, I'd probably get a cool mount. Which is why we'll probably never be able to exchange unwanted cosmetics for gems.
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
Dungeons and trials should NOT be the only places to encounter hard difficulties. Challenging content that is optional need to also exist when soloing and questing as well! We only have two hard solo content in the form of Maelstrom and Vateshran arenas against the flood of challenging group content. This is counting the entirety of the game in the span of 11 years. Add to that, majority of ESO players prefer to play alone and treat it as another singleplayer title.
Yeah... we need more flexibility of enjoyment for solo playing by adding an optional difficulty slider.
Yeah... we need more flexibility of enjoyment for solo playing by adding an optional difficulty slider.
Re: Whats the average resistances in the current landscape of PvP
MincMincMinc wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Isn't 33k the cap?
No there is no hard cap. 33k is the soft cap, but dont forget that enemies will have pen. Average pvp pen is about 20-24k including breaches. So even if you had "capped" at 33k you realistically are only at 9k armor and nowhere near hitting the 33k cap
An average PvP build aims for
- 30k to 33k health
- 3500 to 4000 crit resists
- ~30k resists
- ~18K to 30k pen (this really depends on balorgh)
- ~45% crit chance(runs Assassin with stuhns or ET)...........or Run about 25-30% with acuity going to 100%
- Then you just grab up whatever balance of regen vs WeaponDamage vs Movement speed you want
- Then you grab whatever max stats remain for some bonus healing
@Thumbless_Bot @CameraBeardThePirate I think it depends more on what you are doing instead of a flat rule. I see the reasoning for it in a 1v1 , but in 1vX scenarios with things like hurricane, dbos, bladecloak all ticking, there is a very good chance you will proc acuity even at 90% critchance or regardless of your base so extra crit doesn't hurt you.
It's not the crit chance that's the issue, it's the duration of Acuity.
If you're above 20% at base without any acuity stacks, your duration of acuity will be shorter, as you will only ever be able to generate 4 stacks. If you're under 20%, you'll always manage to generate that last stack and thus extend your acuity duration by another few seconds.
And yes, you'll be above 20% with prophecy or savagery, which is why if you want the max duration of Acuity you shouldnt have that buff on your bar.
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Brave Tamriel’s Dungeons During the Undaunted Celebration"
I really hope that the last dungeon boss will have the doubled loot for sure, but the "chance" wording doesn't give me much hope.
Re: Vengeance 4 perk and loadout system livestream announcement
SeaGtGruff wrote: »I did think the Vengeance 1 test was fun to participate in when I was able to zerg with a lot of players from my alliance and get into large battles, but that was because the large battles themselves were fun. And I can get into large battles outside of the Vengeance tests when all three alliances are pop-locked. Outside of that, when the population of my alliance was low or when I tried to solo capture resources-- which is something I enjoy doing in the Gray Host campaign-- I was pretty miserable in the Vengeance 1 test due to not being able to successfully do the things I normally enjoy doing in Gray Host.MincMincMinc wrote: »At the same time these new players and casual players prefer vengeance and normally wouldnt be able to play in GH because it is a terrible environment unless you are a 1vXer, ball grouper, or in a zerg guild.
The Vengeance 2 test was much more fun for me than the Vengeance 1 test had been, because it felt closer to Gray Host-- not as far as my ability to solo capture resources, which still wasn't up to snuff compared to Gray Host, but more because I could slot the weapon skills I was used to using (or, at least, the Vengeance 2 version of those skills), so I had an easier time with pressing the buttons I've grown accustomed to pressing, rather than reflexively pressing those same buttons and having class skills I'm not used to using fire off instead of the expected weapon skills. But I was still weaker in Vengeance 2 than in Gray Host; I just wasn't totally flummoxed as in Vengeance 1 due to not being able to set up my ability bars the way I like.
Well thats the thing. What COULD vengeance become. For instance at the very least we could drop all of lives systems back in and we would just replace the core code of skills while splitting pve and pvp. Still an improvement at the end of the day. If they were to add back in all the systems we normally would have for building with these new base skills youd hardly tell the difference. Really we just lost the random tacked on major/minor power creep buffs and effects and status effects on ACTIVE skills.....did those really add much to the experience or were they just bloat to satisfy complaining nerf threads after 10 years?
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
spartaxoxo wrote: »
This is not an accurate analogy. It ignores the game in its entirety. A more accurate analogy would actually be something like this:
Some players have one sugar cookie they can enjoy and a whole plate of various cookies they are allergic to and cannot enjoy. Other players have access to that whole plate of cookies, but they don't really like the taste of the one sugar cookie the first players can eat. They are going to be given a sugar cookie using a new recipe so they can enjoy all the cookies if they so choose. Meanwhile, the first players are still stuck with one sugar cookie and a plate of various cookies they can't eat. Oh, and to top it off, the plate of cookies is covered in fancy sprinkles, and the new sugar cookie recipe will also probably have fancy sprinkles.
Hopefully that makes it a little clearer why some people are upset by this and don't see it as a "fair" solution at all. You are of course free to disagree, but at least try to have an accurate understanding of the other side's point of view.
So what about me?? What about the thousands of players who complain and quit due to the game being too easy? Who also paid money for this game. They deserve cookies too in the case of harder Overland difficulties. As I've said, this goes both ways.
I'd rather have more cookies for both parties. I don't care if people see it as "unfair” because it’s optional!
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
Some players have one sugar cookie they can enjoy and a whole plate of various cookies they are allergic to and cannot enjoy.
Yeah, no. Vets being unable to play it because it's not designed to include them is very different from someone who doesn't enjoy group play. Normal trials and dungeons are already in the game. And many casual users play and enjoy them. They aren't allergic. It's existence does not cause them harm. Some of them don't feel like eating the sugar cookie with blue frosting because they don't like blue. But it's still a cookie baked to the taste of sugar cookie enjoyers.
It's more like I hate peanut butter so I should be the only with a sugar cookie, if we're going to treat the other content as cookies on this plate.
Re: Update 48 Livestream live reaction
I’ve come to realize I don’t like watching their streams. I’m sure they are all very nice people but I just want the facts and the crate. Better to have just made a forum post with a couple of screenshots and a headline “On PTS Monday September 15th”
2500 players didn’t need to tune in to hear for the fourth time this year “we’ll have more for you on a future stream”.
2500 players didn’t need to tune in to hear for the fourth time this year “we’ll have more for you on a future stream”.
