RedJohn_COF wrote: »

I actually had a discussion about that in our guild today and someone asked why not keep the class specific leaderboards but also have one for subclassing. That way you don't take anything away from people who just don't want to subclass (yes there are those people) but still have it accessible for everyone.

This would also be interesting to compare how the differences between "subclassing" and none subclassing is, because it was said that it's rather opt in and not a must have.

So I actually think this is a bad idea, because the leaderboards already have a low population on the less played classes. On PC EU, Warden and Necro only 59 and 55 entries in Maelstrom Arena, with 39 and 28 entries in Vateshran Hollows (DK also only has 42 entries there). And the bottom scores there are fairly low when compared to what is possible.

If you make those pure class only, then your leaderboards are going to shrink even more, which makes it lose a lot of value. A leaderboard between 10 players where half the runs are at 0 vitality is not a particularly exciting leaderboard.

I know they said that there would be very few adjustments but I'm still genuinely shocked that the only change of relevance is adding an execute component to Whirling Blades' base skill and it's other morph.

Cool I guess, but a random one, seriously did anyone ask for that change like ever? They could have slightly increased the damage of some of the skills that get literally zero usage in Subclassing for the same amount of effort and it would have actually been meaningful. If you wanted to adjust an execute skill you could have buffed Mages' Fury for example which is totally garbage.

TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »

This is another huge red flag that Vengeance isn’t a performance test — it’s being built as a permanent game mode. You don’t create full archetypes with perks, penalties, and polished UI for testing; this is the design direction.

And that means the end of real PvP is here. Instead of fixing performance and balancing the sandbox we’ve all invested in, ZOS is replacing it with prefabricated loadouts that kill build diversity and creativity. Vengeance will be the new future, and Cyrodiil will be left to rot.

Yeah it’s pretty apparent now this is the direction they’re heading to get large population pvp back. Folks are either going to hate it, love it or wait and see (that’s where I am). Maybe they’ll keep a legacy server with the current ruleset. Also don’t know how this will affect IC and the mixed PvP/PvE play there.

We used to get an appetizer (2 dungeons), main course (chapter), side (2 dungeons), and dessert (zone). Every other visit, we got a free drink with our meal (arena). The chef was gracious enough to give us a table with a great view and live entertainment (new companions, tales of tribute decks, infinite archive zones). We could tell the restaurant was doing well because it was constantly improving (group finder, bg 2.0).

This year, we got an appetizer and a main course, except 1/3 of our steak was reserved for dessert. We got a side again after being told removing it would allow the chef to experiment with fresh ideas. They're completely out of drinks, our table is by the restroom, we can't hear the live entertainment from the sound of flushing toilets.

The restaurant is really excited about new kids place mats with riddles all over them, once the entire restaurant solves them we get access to the 1/3 of our steak we already paid for. I'm not interested in riddles if there's no real reward, I'll just let everyone else solve them. Problem is, my steak is cold, dry, and I'm still hungry.

Guess I'll check back with the restaurant in 2026.

T3vvy wrote: »

Morvan wrote: »

You are already competing scores with subclassed players though, labeling them by class won't stop anyone from using beam, that ship has long since sailed.

Good or bad, it's a change that makes sense since your base class doesn't really mean much anymore, though I disagree they should be account bound, they should keep it character based and have your skill lines listed on your score, alongside the ability to search/filter scores by specific lines.

account bound makes a lot more sense, especially for trial leaderboards which are already cluttered. Theres only 100 places on the actual leaderboard, one player taking up 2 or 3 places makes a pretty big difference.

They could easily mitigate that by increasing the numbers of players per score as they mentioned on the patch notes, it's not like we have a gigantic end-game community scorepushing anyway.

Though I understand your point, it's a solution that creates another problem, you'd have more room for people but you would also remove any reason to do your weekly scores on different characters.

propertyOfUndefined wrote: »

No exciting new sets? No mythics?

There's a new Mythic item, and several new sets.