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Re: Anemic Patch Notes
MashmalloMan wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »
- impen is still about half of what it should be....... make it 264(4%) or 330(5%) so it is inline with modern crit damage builds
Let's try and math this out using their own standards.5 piece static sets share a multiplier of about x2.325 from a 1-4 piece bonus, where standards start from, I won't get super into it as most people are aware, but everything is based on these values from Racial passives, to Mundus stones, to enchants, to 5 piece sets. You can find this ratio on Hundings Rage, Fortified Brass, etc, but most importantly in this scenario; Impregnable which adds 1650 Critical Resistance.
- 1650/2.325 = 709.67... rounded up to 710.
- 1-4 piece set bonus = 424
- 424/710 = 0.597... aka, it's 60% of what it should be.
2 conclusions can be made from this data, either way, something is incorrect.
- Impregnable is over budget, the base 424 crit resist is the standard so the 5 piece bonus should be 424 x 2.325 = 986. Obviously, I don't agree with this one.
- 1-4 piece bonuses are under budget, 1650/2.325 = 710. This makes more logical sense.
So does Impen stack up? Lets first see what type of ratio we should expect from Armor Traits, again this is assuming ZOS has PERFECTLY balanced everything with their spreadsheets. Nirnhoned would be the easiest seeing as flat armor can be compared 1:1.
- 253/1487 = 0.17
- So, we can assume that an armor trait is roughly 17% of a 1-4 piece bonus.
- 17% of 710 = 120
- Impen = 132
- 132/120 = 1.1
These are fairly close, it shows Impen is actually 10% stronger than it should be. Now obviously, as you put it, Impen FEELS under budget, but their math shows it's not. Comment is getting a bit long, so I'll simplify an example of how they can mathematically adjust things across the board for a new standard that I think would make more sense.
First few rules:
- Critical Damage : Critical Chance == 2:1 (No change)
- Critical Damage : Critical Resistance == 1:2 instead of 1:1
- 5 piece armor bonus == x2.325 (No change)
- Armor trait == 25% instead of 17%
So how would this look?
- Minor Enervation buffed from -10% to -20% (2x Minor Force).
- 1-4 piece bonuses buffed from 424 (6.42%) to 792 (12%) (4x Critical Chance).
- Impreg 5 piece bonus buffed from 1650 (25%) to 1842 (27.9%).
- Impen armor traits buffed from 132 (2%) to 198 (3%).
This is exactly why ZOS's comments on rebalancing consumables resulting in nerfs makes no sense. THEY decide what the standards are.
First of all, their standards are not perfect, the ratio's should be revisited as the context of the game changes, 2019 was a long time ago.
Secondly, they don't really follow their own standards on the majority of access points to begin with. You think of any meta option people use today, and I guarantee they're all over budget from similar conditions they've created elsewhere in the game. Rallying Cry and Wretched Vitality as quick examples have about 5-6x the value of 1-4 piece bonuses, when the majority of forgotten sets fall between 3-5x. The difference is, both of these meta sets get 100% uptime whereas the others usually have massive drawbacks.
My favourite example is their decision to buff the Serpent mundus stone from 258 to 310, for seemingly no reason at all one patch, probably because no one was using it. This puts it at 2.4x stronger than a 1-4 piece bonus, whereas Warrior (and most of the Mundus stones) are still 2x stronger. Either the 1-4 piece bonus for recovery should be 155 or Warrior needs to be 310 as well.
This is the problem with claiming you use standards for objective truths, we can easily find where someone clearly just felt like buffing or nerfing something because they break the standards that they claim to use, but don't.Oh let me just clarify. Impen is what it should be when compared to the other traits. The problem is that it is not what it should be when compared to the amount of crit damage available which is exceedingly more important for combat. Ideally impen would temporarily be boosted to combat crit damage, and then over longterm you would introduce more crit resist sources into the game through 2-4 pieces, mundus, cp changes, etc. As more sources get added in you would taper off the impen back to the correct 1:1 standard.
The tension has to be made between opposing stats first. Crit damage vs Crit resist. The next part is you need to remember these are all adding/multiplying up in your stat sheet. So:
CritDmg*sources VS CritRes*sources.
This is a density equation of two materials on a scale. If there are a million sources of crit damage that does X.......Having a handful of crit resist sources that also do X will never be balanced. Either increase the potency of the handful of tooltips or you need widespread changes to add more sources to the game.
Yes a standard is a great concept......but in reality the standard means nothing if all stats do not have equal amounts of sources. Lets just say all pen sources are 1:1 with all armor sources. Well if there are 10 choices of armor available, but only 2 choices of pen what do we think is going to happen?
I think there's nothing wrong with the standard concept if it's actually followed (which they don't) and adjusted given the context of the game's landscape (which they haven't). Although your initial proposal of over buffing impen would temporarily solve the problem, I can't realistically see ZOS doing this because they claim to follow their standards like a religion (even though we all know they don't).
I don't think sources needs to be equal either, it just needs equal opportunity. By that I mean, you could make 100 pen sets, but the player base will gravitate to 2-3 like they're already doing, same could be said about Crit Resist with Rallying Cry. For that reason, I'd look at where there is 0 access in addition to buffing the existing values as I covered previously.
Mundus Stones: Warrior is going to disappear when ws damage combines, how great would it be to introduce Crit Resist in its place. Super flexible, this would be helpful for theory crafting and work in no cp environments.
Food: They're eventually going to rework these any way, but imagine you could trade some resources for Crit Resist. Maybe gold foods could give that instead of HP recovery which is useless in PvE and PvP now anyway. Although the fact that gold foods offer a pretty substantial difference from purple is probably something I think ZOS will avoid with the redesign, but just a thought.
Potions: There is still seperate physical and spell resist bonuses, combine this into Armor at a lower value, then redo 1 of the effects into Critical Resistance for 45s. Again, they want to redesign pots, so I have no idea what the end goal is, but if we can get 100% uptime of major buffs like Prophecy and Intellect, I see no reason why we can't have other effects added like Crit Resist to help with build flexibility.
Named buffs: There is Minor Enervation for Minor Force, but there is no counterpart for Minor Brittle. That would be like having no Minor Protection for Minor Vulnerability.
I'd also tackle the root of the issue introduced in u46, I didn't really find Crit Damage to be a problem before subclassing. Really.. it's Monomyth and access to 3 damage skill lines. 4/7 classes have Critical Damage passives, that seems like too much and could easily be reworked into Pen (also a capped stat) or something else entirely.
NB is noticeably too heavy on Crit Damage and Crit Chance making it super optimal in a line with already strong skills, and although Herald isn't super popular in PvP, it is in PvE, and is the only line with 4/4 equally strong damage passives. Most classes have a 3/4 split, with the 1 remaining passive for utility. In the case of Templar, named buffs which may or may not be redundant.
Fully agree.
I just try to point out and weigh the importance of the crit resist vs crit damage balance WAY more than the Crit resist to other stat standard. Which was the issue with zos's logic of lowering impen back in the day. Impen was originally balanced around the available crit damage so both stats felt in tension.
Because there were so few sources of crit resist the value had to be so much higher and ruin the trait choice because it was so dense and needed you had to choose impen. So now it is reduced and an equal trade with the other stats making it in tension with those......but now it fails to meet its real purpose of counteracting crit damage and is no longer in tension there where it actually matters.
Re: Anemic Patch Notes
MashmalloMan wrote: »Stones: Warrior is going to disappear when ws damage combines, how great would it be to introduce Crit Resist in its place. Super flexible, this would be helpful for theory crafting and work in no cp environments.
I feel like this is one of the main reasons why they haven’t finished hybridizing yet is things like that. “We need to shoehorn this thing in” conflicts with “try to keep some semblance of the lore”
We have a +Weapon Damage Mundus in the Warrior and a +Spell Damage in the Apprentice. A lot of people say “yeah, just combine it and make one the crit resist!”
So what’s the logic of making the Warrior, which is all about attacking things, lose its offensive bonus to pick up a defensive one? Why not keep Warrior as the +Damage and change the Apprentice to +Resist?
Sure, no difference for most people. But there are people who will riot either way because of the lore - we already have a lot of people still raging that the Bosmer racial passive, that they’ve had since Arena, got changed because “we shouldn’t overlap with Khajiit” (and it’d probably have made more sense logically for the catfolk to get the detection and let the elves keep the stealth)
Now if you ask me, I’d rather go back to separate stats over hybridization, but that ship sailed a while ago. Heck, I think it’d be really cool to bring back elemental weakness/resistance mechanics.
Re: Endless loading screen
This has been happening far too often since U46. It seems like every time I get a day when I can focus on clearing my back log of master writs, treasure chests and surveys, I can't do that because I get unusually long load times and connection issues. 
Are we ever going to get a permanent fix for this?
Are we ever going to get a permanent fix for this?
Re: Dungeon Descent Golden Pursuit
I somehow managed to get credit for 2 ranks of undaunted before I logged out after doing my normal daily routine this morning. And all I did was my crafting dailies, some master writs, and attuned/fed a set of crafting tables into my GMs.
Re: Your Play Experience b/t Update 45 and Update 46 with Subclassing and Scribing In Base Game
Playing pure class is not only weaker in realtion to suclassing but also in relation the class they were before subclassing existed. Due to subclassing literally having no restrictons on borrowed skill lines and giving nothing in return to pure classes and only taking away due to "balance" it makes such a nothing burger.
Subclassing also does not feel like a "sub" classsing but "multi" classing. No skill line is a "sub" line of class - they are all equal and choosing 3 DPS line is obviosly OP. You don't have to have spreadsheet to calculate that! DPS + DPS + DPS = DPSx3.
Subclassing will never be balanced in a way ZoS is approching it now. Subclassing should have skill line restrictions or buff to classes.
Some ideas that are easier to implement than balance (which is impossible):
- You can only subclass ONE skill line,
- You can borrow two but with no passives,
- You can borrow two but passives have half of the value,
- Your own class skill lines passives values are enhanced,
- Your own class skill lines passvies work for ALL class skill not only skill lines in which they're are included; example
From:
- Casting *SKILL LINE NAME* ability while are in combat generates 4 Ultimate.
To:
- Casting *CLASS* ability while are in combat generates 4 Ultimate.
I would also say something about the beam but I don't want to be threatened.
Subclassing also does not feel like a "sub" classsing but "multi" classing. No skill line is a "sub" line of class - they are all equal and choosing 3 DPS line is obviosly OP. You don't have to have spreadsheet to calculate that! DPS + DPS + DPS = DPSx3.
Subclassing will never be balanced in a way ZoS is approching it now. Subclassing should have skill line restrictions or buff to classes.
Some ideas that are easier to implement than balance (which is impossible):
- You can only subclass ONE skill line,
- You can borrow two but with no passives,
- You can borrow two but passives have half of the value,
- Your own class skill lines passives values are enhanced,
- Your own class skill lines passvies work for ALL class skill not only skill lines in which they're are included; example
From:
- Casting *SKILL LINE NAME* ability while are in combat generates 4 Ultimate.
To:
- Casting *CLASS* ability while are in combat generates 4 Ultimate.
I would also say something about the beam but I don't want to be threatened.
Lysorris
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Unable to connect to server
Hi,
For the past two nights now I am unable to log on to Elder Scrolls.
I try connecting and get the three dragon circle starting to spin. After a few seconds the spinning stops.
Approximately 15 seconds later I get Error 301 Unable to conect to server.
I was only on just over an hour ago and it worked fine. Had a similar issue though last night at roughly the same time (1930 hrs).
Have tried quitting, clearing cache, resetting the Xbox all unsuccessful. Tried using a different internet connection (mobile phone hotspot) and still the same.
ESO server status all showing green with no issues.
Please can someone help and look into this. Starting to be very frustrating.
For the past two nights now I am unable to log on to Elder Scrolls.
I try connecting and get the three dragon circle starting to spin. After a few seconds the spinning stops.
Approximately 15 seconds later I get Error 301 Unable to conect to server.
I was only on just over an hour ago and it worked fine. Had a similar issue though last night at roughly the same time (1930 hrs).
Have tried quitting, clearing cache, resetting the Xbox all unsuccessful. Tried using a different internet connection (mobile phone hotspot) and still the same.
ESO server status all showing green with no issues.
Please can someone help and look into this. Starting to be very frustrating.
Re: PTS Update 48 - Bug Reports for Hearts Week Event
Kelinmiriel wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »Kelinmiriel wrote: »ZOS_Kevin
What happened to the rest of the 2025 events?
This was the last event tested:Events: Witches Festival
[...]
The Impresario will offer the first two of five fragments for the new Wildgrown Chapel of Julianos house. Additional fragments will come in the last two events of the year.
The December event is always New Life, although I've never seen it skipped on the PTS. But what's happening in November?
Thanks!
Seems like for once, they're doing things on PTS out of order. Heart's Day is 100% going to be a February event, so we're still missing the Daedric War in November, New Life in December, and then probably something in January like a MYM. We have the relevant event outfit styles in this patch.
I assume it's that the other events are old so they have been tested extensively, but this is a brand new one so they really want to see it.
Yeah, it seems out of order to me, also. Daedric War? I hadn't known anything about that. I'll look on the PTS for a help file. If there's any other info you've seen about this, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
I try to stay on top of ticket events as much as possible to keep info in my Event Tracker as accurate and up to date as possible. That's why I always ask these questions when I haven't found it.
They announced the end of 2025 events during the non-reveal livestream. Eso-hub has the graphics:
https://eso-hub.com/en/news/first-look-at-update-48
Normally the November event is a Chapter return event from two years ago so Necrom’s due, but they’re jumping all the way back to Morrowind/CWC/Summerset - we already know the outfit style from this PTS (Light of Knowledge. Granted it’s confirmed for the event yet, but it’s Sotha Sil’s armor so what else would it be)
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
All I ever really hoped for is that overland simply be adjusted to a universal point (none of this multi levels of difficulty) where any player, regardless of level/cp, would be well advised to find a safe place to park it should they have to afk for a bit. Basically any location not within a couple steps of a major road or wayshrine should require the player to at least be aware of their surroundings.
Simply for the immersion factor. Not for greater challenges or tougher battles. Not for the glory. Just for the immersion. Because as it is now, any player can just walk away from their controller/keyboard long enough to step out for a leisurely cup of coffee, come back, and find their character being pounded on by local monsters and not even getting scratched. Or a pile of corpses littered around if their companion was summoned.
Simply for the immersion factor. Not for greater challenges or tougher battles. Not for the glory. Just for the immersion. Because as it is now, any player can just walk away from their controller/keyboard long enough to step out for a leisurely cup of coffee, come back, and find their character being pounded on by local monsters and not even getting scratched. Or a pile of corpses littered around if their companion was summoned.
Re: ESO feels just overall empty
First of all, im not treating ESO as a solo player game, i play all types of multiplayer content only. For solo games i have other games.
While i was excited for subclassing first and it was fun first, it just bores me now. Everyone has the same build in pvp and in pve it´s kinda the same aswell.
There is no variation, just the same meta sets and skill lines. Boring.
Im on PS EU there is no high population anymore. While spots like belkarth, mournhold or eldenroot were always well populated, nowadays these hotspots are just low populated, not much going on.
I try to queue for dungeons as a tank, its taking ages. I try to find hosted trials, its not happening. Battlegrounds taking ages, cyrodiil has as most 2 bars in the evening, the prime time is from 7-9pm after and before that its dead.
Im aware there are multiple instances in open world, but nobody can sell me im always in the empty instance.
It just feels less and more and more becoming a ghosttown, except maybe on weekends or certain events.
There is 5 big guilds im in, multiple trader guilds, social guilds and a pvp guild, of 500 members there are at most 60-70 online on the weekend at the evening, not much chatting and not much going on.
First i thought it was guild related, but i joined other popular guilds and its the same.
Also a lot of friends i used to play with have stopped and not been online for months.
Really i cant enjoy the game like this anymore, i dont want to run alone and spend my free time waiting in queues because nobody is playing anymore. So i wonder if its time to move on, thought i dont really want too, i play since release and love the game and spend a fortune of money in it.
I just wonder what happened, where are all the players gone and what has lead to this ?
in my opinion, the dumbing down of the game has driven away the community. allow me to elaborate on what i mean.
back in the day, we had classes, roles, specs. when they introduced hybridization, it was touted as a feature that would INCREASE the options for playing the game. this did the opposite tho, and reduced the amount of viable specs for people to play. also i would like to point out this is unfinished, we still have problems with crit buffs (sorc/nb) and problems with minor sorc/brutality. like.... if you're a magsorc, you get the mag crit buff, but then you might be mostly stam, so you will run stam pots, which means you dont get the passive buff on your crit percentages. the system is not finished and it creates problems still.
now we have subclassing. again, touted as giving us more options to play.... but in reality... there are now 3 builds to run in pvp. we went from people having 18 characters with 1-8 specs for each one..... to 18 characters, with 16 of them being useless and a total of 3 builds to play.
then you have the policing of the game. people are victims of a terrible ban system. people get banned for nothing and rarely is it ever investigated. its super toxic, and pathetic.
the grind. the grind in this game is terrible. whats the solution? pay 50 bucks per skill line. disguesting.
gaslighting. we get gaslit so much as a community that we do not trust the company anymore. they make ea look good. examples of this are like ummmm 2022? the year they took off to fix bugs? still stuck in combat. psijic ult still doesnt work (a paid feature mind you). queue is still glitching out. you said you would fix rush of agony and its still broken. you said you'd fix the weave with jabs and you ruined it. i could go on and on but its a waste of time, everyone knows.
feedback. i have seen so much GOOD and WELL THOUGHT OUT FEEDBACK get thrown into the trash it blows my mind. there are like 5 smart people that used to come on here.... you could literally let them balance the game for FREE.... but they dont listen to the community and they push terrible changes down the pipe.... and look where it got us.
crossplay. crossplay will make the game feel populated but the underlying issues will still drive people away, being a futile endeavor.
i can fix this, but its gonna cause an uproar. its simple. roll back the patch. admit that its bad design, allow subclassing to happen in duels/arenas/pve areas and make a seperate leaderboard for it. go back to what we had before, but allow subclassing to exist in a vaccuum.
you could try to balance it.... but thats a fools errand. subclassing killed all the flavor of the game, and people will still leave. to balance it, remove the passives from subclassed skill trees. you can have incap and merciless resolve, but you cant get the 10% crit damage buff unless you're a nightblade. also ensure that every class has a good dps passive. some classes have poor buffs in comparison to assassination and the beam tree.
Re: Which Werewolf shrine do you like the most?
I always go to The Rift. In all honesty, because I don’t know where the vampire and werewolf shrines are except in the Rift. But the proximity to Hunter’s Glade is indeed nice, I always port to the house if I’m going to go bite someone. The enemies are great for when I need to get ult so I can… yk… be werewolf hahaha.
Soarora
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