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Re: Suggestion: Buff Malacath
sure it would be useful for Malacath's Band of Brutality to get a buff
Re: Dungeon Bots Invasion??
I for one praise and have always supported AI. *Glances around* Always.
Re: PTS Update 48 - Feedback Thread for Season of the Worm Cult Part 2 Main Quest [SPOILERS]
For this first run, I'm on a copied alt who's completed pretty much everything relevant (MQ / guild quests / Cadwell's Gold / all DLC Chapters / Zone questlines) and I'll be focusing on quests and dialogue.
I'm having loads of fun so far, and I love the ghostly 'screaming souls' addition to the Writhing Wall's animation when you're up close, but I have a few things to ask about already (several are repeats from last PTS which weren't resolved or responded to).
The 'revive point' wayshrine inside Tarnur Mine still has an activation prompt visible (not interactive though) which I've also noticed on PC/Live recently:
The binding energy flows to the shrines, not from them as the dialogue states it should, can this animation be reversed?
https://youtu.be/PBPJbkNA2ys
With the delve quests, Darien will only act as a follower on the way to the first location (per previous PTS patches), but I'd noticed even then his dialogue is different depending on which point you visit first, and it seems more relevant with the 'first / second' location dialogue if you visit Li-Xal Pass before Tarnur Mine, vs the other way around.
(I'll record a clean run of this later showing both versions with all dialogue and post the link as an Edit)
These lines still only trigger after we examine the points in the Wall, despite Darien being the one who's supposed to locate and 'react with' the distortions so we can see them:
First location is Tarnur Mine:
Second location is Li-Xal Pass:
It's great that Mannimarco's note to Necromancer Hezsatari in the Tarnur Mine shrine location can now be read, but the 3 cultists and their bone colossus still respawn far too fast - after only 15 seconds - so there's too little time to read it before they're back and interrupting you:
https://youtu.be/r0H8BRlvPhA
Whereas the cultists at the end of the Seacave have glitchy or nonexistent shields, with the only one visible sitting much higher than the ones at the other site:
Also, Darian delivered his 'destroy it' line mid-fight in Tarnur, rather than closer to the shrine itself afterwards:
In the Sea Cave shrine location, Darien delivers his 'destroy it' line once we reach the foot of the stairs leading to it, which is much better placement, but the line used seems to be more relevant if this was the first shrine we'd found:
Then after the Fissure Ruins delve, why does Darien imply he'll be coming along once we've made the initial breach in the Wall? He doesn't switch to follower mode, and there was no sign of him at any point on the way to the Wall, at the portal, or in the Writhing Fortress' pocket of Coldharbour. Nothing. He stayed right here and just repeated himself when I came back to recheck:
Is the line intended for a different quest?
These might need the colour saturation dialled up (left are blue, right are orange, for those who're struggling):
I have no issue differentiating colours (qualified gemologist with a zero on all color blindness tests), but even I find these too washed out in-game when they're all on the same setting and other effects are going on all around me, so they could be a big problem for players with genuine sight issues.
Another solution might be to have a different symbol for each version?
I'm having loads of fun so far, and I love the ghostly 'screaming souls' addition to the Writhing Wall's animation when you're up close, but I have a few things to ask about already (several are repeats from last PTS which weren't resolved or responded to).
The 'revive point' wayshrine inside Tarnur Mine still has an activation prompt visible (not interactive though) which I've also noticed on PC/Live recently:
The binding energy flows to the shrines, not from them as the dialogue states it should, can this animation be reversed?
https://youtu.be/PBPJbkNA2ys
With the delve quests, Darien will only act as a follower on the way to the first location (per previous PTS patches), but I'd noticed even then his dialogue is different depending on which point you visit first, and it seems more relevant with the 'first / second' location dialogue if you visit Li-Xal Pass before Tarnur Mine, vs the other way around.
(I'll record a clean run of this later showing both versions with all dialogue and post the link as an Edit)
These lines still only trigger after we examine the points in the Wall, despite Darien being the one who's supposed to locate and 'react with' the distortions so we can see them:
First location is Tarnur Mine:
Second location is Li-Xal Pass:
It's great that Mannimarco's note to Necromancer Hezsatari in the Tarnur Mine shrine location can now be read, but the 3 cultists and their bone colossus still respawn far too fast - after only 15 seconds - so there's too little time to read it before they're back and interrupting you:
https://youtu.be/r0H8BRlvPhA
Whereas the cultists at the end of the Seacave have glitchy or nonexistent shields, with the only one visible sitting much higher than the ones at the other site:
Also, Darian delivered his 'destroy it' line mid-fight in Tarnur, rather than closer to the shrine itself afterwards:
In the Sea Cave shrine location, Darien delivers his 'destroy it' line once we reach the foot of the stairs leading to it, which is much better placement, but the line used seems to be more relevant if this was the first shrine we'd found:
Then after the Fissure Ruins delve, why does Darien imply he'll be coming along once we've made the initial breach in the Wall? He doesn't switch to follower mode, and there was no sign of him at any point on the way to the Wall, at the portal, or in the Writhing Fortress' pocket of Coldharbour. Nothing. He stayed right here and just repeated himself when I came back to recheck:
Is the line intended for a different quest?
These might need the colour saturation dialled up (left are blue, right are orange, for those who're struggling):
I have no issue differentiating colours (qualified gemologist with a zero on all color blindness tests), but even I find these too washed out in-game when they're all on the same setting and other effects are going on all around me, so they could be a big problem for players with genuine sight issues.
Another solution might be to have a different symbol for each version?
Suggestion: Buff Malacath
With the introduction of Monomyth and Subclassing, Malacath seems to have lost its place in buildcraft. Since every character now benefits from major force, even after factoring in all sources of critical resistance (e.g. impen trait, rallying cry, etc.), Malacath never comes out on top. The original appeal was that while it might not always outperform critical damage builds against opponents who ignored crit resistance, it was the clear winner when facing those who did invest in it.
I really think this mythic needs an adjustment.
I really think this mythic needs an adjustment.
Re: All Vengeance Perks
I don;t know what people were expecting.
Vengeance was a test. It was a test to see if ZOS could have the large scale battles with good performance they envisaged for Cyrodiil if they removed much of the overcomplicated calculations that have historically tanked the server.
Some people seemingly interpreted this test as "can ZOS finally discover whatever was tanking the server and then press a magic button so Grey Host (GH) would have excellent performance." That was not going to happen. ZOS already tried a whole bunch of tests in the past to limit the calculations on Live: smaller groups, skill cooldowns, no proc sets, no buffs/heals outside group, etc., and even all of these at the same time, and none of that worked. They tried raising the pop caps and decided that was a no go. How exactly would a test that removed all the calculations in the game while having a much higher pop cap end up with keep all the calculations and have a performant Cyrodiil?
Because the Vengeance I test showed it was possible to have a performant Cyrodiil with big battles and it had positive reception, they have continued in that direction. I don't think things have changed. What ZOS is doing is trying to press the envelope to see just how many calculations (i.e., how much character customization) we can have before Vengeance turns into GH.
Where I think it is fair to critique ZOS is even when they have something people seemed genuinely excited about, they still don't communicate clearly as to their vision and intention. They have not come out and said that GH would continue to be supported even if a Vengeance was implemented on Live. They hinted on their latest Livestream that the Live PvP we have now would continue to be supported. But hinting is not clear communication. It's quite clear that as much as many people like Vengeance, quite a few people who enjoy the PvP on Live do not. They are paying customers. They have to participate in this dubious season pass model, and ZOS can't even communicate to them what they would be paying for. They haven't even come out and tell us their plans for Vengeance. This is unacceptable.
So we have to guess and speculate. It looks like ZOS intends some form of Vengeance campaign will be a PvP option. A lot of people are saying it. What isn;t clear is whether or not GH will remain an option. It should. ZOS has supported different versions of PvP for over a decade now. Things would be a whole lot easier if they came out and told us.
What @MashmalloMan brings up is another important matter.
Like many people, I am disappointed that there isn't any meaningful combat changes. But, unlike many folks here, I was 100% expecting there to be no meaningful combat changes. Did people pay attention to the titles that were on the reddit AUA?
Associate Content Director, Associate Content Director, Narrative Director, Gameplay Design Director, Executive Producer, Creative Director, Studio Head, and, "Combat & PvP Director." The combat team is a tiny part of ZOS. It got even smaller when Combat & PvP were merged into the office of the same person (which happened years and years ago, late 2018 I think). I've said for years the pace of ZOS's combat updates were too slow, too uneven, and too incomplete. People always pushed back on me and said, "Well it's not the "combat" update. Really? People were satisfied with one combat update a year? That's low expectations. Back in 2015 and 2016, when I wasn;t being charged an annual pass, I was getting meaty combat changes every update. I often disagreed with what ZOS was doing. But you know what we didn't have? Incomplete systems like Hybridization. Placeholder terrible skills like Gravelord's sacrifice just waiting to be updated. We had some confidence that even if Templars weren't competitive, they would get an update before I graduated college.
As much as I enjoy Vengeance, if I were a competitive PvE player, ran progression trials, or were really invested in trying to play a solo class rather than subclassing, I would cancel my sub and not buy the annual pass. ZOS isn't an indie studio; ESO has nearly made 2 billion dollars according to numerous reports. Yet the studio sees combat as a minor part of the ESO experience such that they can pretend the same office can develop Vengeance while addressing all the unfinished combat problems that still plague the game from update 35, unfinished Hybridization, subclassing, and scribing. It's really hard not to draw a connection between Vengeance and the scant changes in Update 48.
People would be a lot more receptive to Vengeance if they were told that GH would continue to be an option for them and the needed combat changes that affect the whole game were not put on hold.
Vengeance was a test. It was a test to see if ZOS could have the large scale battles with good performance they envisaged for Cyrodiil if they removed much of the overcomplicated calculations that have historically tanked the server.
Some people seemingly interpreted this test as "can ZOS finally discover whatever was tanking the server and then press a magic button so Grey Host (GH) would have excellent performance." That was not going to happen. ZOS already tried a whole bunch of tests in the past to limit the calculations on Live: smaller groups, skill cooldowns, no proc sets, no buffs/heals outside group, etc., and even all of these at the same time, and none of that worked. They tried raising the pop caps and decided that was a no go. How exactly would a test that removed all the calculations in the game while having a much higher pop cap end up with keep all the calculations and have a performant Cyrodiil?
Because the Vengeance I test showed it was possible to have a performant Cyrodiil with big battles and it had positive reception, they have continued in that direction. I don't think things have changed. What ZOS is doing is trying to press the envelope to see just how many calculations (i.e., how much character customization) we can have before Vengeance turns into GH.
Where I think it is fair to critique ZOS is even when they have something people seemed genuinely excited about, they still don't communicate clearly as to their vision and intention. They have not come out and said that GH would continue to be supported even if a Vengeance was implemented on Live. They hinted on their latest Livestream that the Live PvP we have now would continue to be supported. But hinting is not clear communication. It's quite clear that as much as many people like Vengeance, quite a few people who enjoy the PvP on Live do not. They are paying customers. They have to participate in this dubious season pass model, and ZOS can't even communicate to them what they would be paying for. They haven't even come out and tell us their plans for Vengeance. This is unacceptable.
So we have to guess and speculate. It looks like ZOS intends some form of Vengeance campaign will be a PvP option. A lot of people are saying it. What isn;t clear is whether or not GH will remain an option. It should. ZOS has supported different versions of PvP for over a decade now. Things would be a whole lot easier if they came out and told us.
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What @MashmalloMan brings up is another important matter.
Like many people, I am disappointed that there isn't any meaningful combat changes. But, unlike many folks here, I was 100% expecting there to be no meaningful combat changes. Did people pay attention to the titles that were on the reddit AUA?
Associate Content Director, Associate Content Director, Narrative Director, Gameplay Design Director, Executive Producer, Creative Director, Studio Head, and, "Combat & PvP Director." The combat team is a tiny part of ZOS. It got even smaller when Combat & PvP were merged into the office of the same person (which happened years and years ago, late 2018 I think). I've said for years the pace of ZOS's combat updates were too slow, too uneven, and too incomplete. People always pushed back on me and said, "Well it's not the "combat" update. Really? People were satisfied with one combat update a year? That's low expectations. Back in 2015 and 2016, when I wasn;t being charged an annual pass, I was getting meaty combat changes every update. I often disagreed with what ZOS was doing. But you know what we didn't have? Incomplete systems like Hybridization. Placeholder terrible skills like Gravelord's sacrifice just waiting to be updated. We had some confidence that even if Templars weren't competitive, they would get an update before I graduated college.
As much as I enjoy Vengeance, if I were a competitive PvE player, ran progression trials, or were really invested in trying to play a solo class rather than subclassing, I would cancel my sub and not buy the annual pass. ZOS isn't an indie studio; ESO has nearly made 2 billion dollars according to numerous reports. Yet the studio sees combat as a minor part of the ESO experience such that they can pretend the same office can develop Vengeance while addressing all the unfinished combat problems that still plague the game from update 35, unfinished Hybridization, subclassing, and scribing. It's really hard not to draw a connection between Vengeance and the scant changes in Update 48.
People would be a lot more receptive to Vengeance if they were told that GH would continue to be an option for them and the needed combat changes that affect the whole game were not put on hold.
Re: Why is hybridization considered incomplete?
MincMincMinc wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »MincMincMinc wrote: »Avran_Sylt wrote: »Given some comments about the recent AMA there seems to be sentiment that hybridization isn't finished yet, but I'm kind of struggling to see how that's the case?
spell Pen and weapon pen is now pen, that was about it. Otherwise they reworked almost every instance of pen and armor to be the same stat. They did the hard work of recoding so skills would atleast consider both stats and pick the highest.....granted this only causes more calculations to take place unnecessarily
We still have:
- Spell crit vs weapon crit. Most of these are down to only 1-2 niche differences. Like crit only has a difference because of old potions and class "unique" minor buffs
- Spell vs Weapon damage has the same niche class buffs for minor, while also having silly things like the mundus stones that could be combined and have the extra stone changed to something like crit resist.
- Spell resists vs Weapon resists I think only has the light armor passive which gives spell resists and then the breton spell resist proc. These could easily just be baked into % buff modifiers instead. For instance there is no reason for the light armor and heavy armor phys and mag rock paper scissors, just remove that layer all together and have the light armor %spellmit passive replace the spell resist
Then go on to look at systems likeFrom zos's recent streams it sounds like they already contemplated rewriting alchemy, but didnt because it would upset the power balance between alchemy and the other systems. So instead we are just going to sit here with several outdated systems which have clear BIS choices that are more efficient than others.
- food
- mundus
- alchemy
- skill morphs
- armor enchants
- jewelry enchants
Actually, I'm going to walk back my viewpoint on spell/weapon resists, thinking about it more.
The basic stats from sets/mundus are fine being universal.
But as far as the phys mag rock paper scissors with armor weights I think that ties into some of the lore of the world. And as far as resistances, the spell/phys resistance values are mitigation%, but sticking to the default mitigation% and its softcaps.
For resists its just silly since there are only like 2-3 places where you can get spell resists on its own. So the game is bloated in 99% of code because there are two resists going on instead of just the one
Eh in terms of bloat I'd point more at the flame/frost/lightning/poison/disease resistances when they could simply be handled under spell or physical, presumably because they're an additional step.
I'd imagine that an ability would be tagged as physical/spell when calculating damage and pulling from the respective category which they'd have needed to do via accessing the defensive stat anyway. So really not too much bloat.
But those other stats are an additional layer ontop of physical/spell resistance.... Although depending on how damage is actually sent/received it might just be the same thing as spell/phys and choosing the higher of spell/phys or specific.
Re: Anemic Patch Notes
tomofhyrule wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »Stones: Warrior is going to disappear when ws damage combines, how great would it be to introduce Crit Resist in its place. Super flexible, this would be helpful for theory crafting and work in no cp environments.
I feel like this is one of the main reasons why they haven’t finished hybridizing yet is things like that. “We need to shoehorn this thing in” conflicts with “try to keep some semblance of the lore”
We have a +Weapon Damage Mundus in the Warrior and a +Spell Damage in the Apprentice. A lot of people say “yeah, just combine it and make one the crit resist!”
So what’s the logic of making the Warrior, which is all about attacking things, lose its offensive bonus to pick up a defensive one? Why not keep Warrior as the +Damage and change the Apprentice to +Resist?
Sure, no difference for most people. But there are people who will riot either way because of the lore - we already have a lot of people still raging that the Bosmer racial passive, that they’ve had since Arena, got changed because “we shouldn’t overlap with Khajiit” (and it’d probably have made more sense logically for the catfolk to get the detection and let the elves keep the stealth)
Now if you ask me, I’d rather go back to separate stats over hybridization, but that ship sailed a while ago. Heck, I think it’d be really cool to bring back elemental weakness/resistance mechanics.
I understand your point, but you can't focus on the lore junkies as a priority. ESO has multiple priorities, and I'd say lore is a little down the list, especially 11 years into the game. First would be gameplay, it's fundamentally the most important part, things should be fun, it should match the games vision, and ZOS should know when to bend or break the rules to fit that idea. Mundus Stones are one of those area's that are incredibly flexible.
If we want to get nit picky about it, Mundus effects have changed in pretty much every ES game for no logical reason to the lore. The same could be said about racial passives. In ESO, some of them aren't even remotely close to what were offered in more recent titles. There's definitely a line in the sand for some effects vs others where some are non negotiable, and others are flexible. At the end of the day, these are video games, and the fun of the game is what matters most.
You're right though, ZOS is probably overthinking it and being afraid of hurting peoples feelings, so they just ignore the problem entirely. They can't please everyone, they shouldn't be afraid to grow or they'll stagnate and that's much worse than offending someone. Plus, if they were really worried about that, they would of added stealth back to Wood Elf, but racial passives are a whooooole other problem entirely. Sometimes I'm convinced ZOS just doesn't like giving what we want to spite us.
Re: All Vengeance Perks
MashmalloMan wrote: »No it does not seem pointless, it seems unacceptable. 4 years is a long time with no end in site, imagine you conceived a child in Jan 2022, it would now be speaking full sentences and walking on its own today. It's beyond the point of the playerbase having to come up with excuses and defend what is potentially their thought process. I have no doubt that you're correct, but it doesn't make it right. In no service anywhere in the world should you have to wait 4 years+ for something to finish, let alone returning paying customer base that is only given broken promises.
Plus, what you're probably referring to is what ZOS is also locked in on; reworking consumables for potions, poisons, and food/drinks. No one actually cares about this part, they could take another 4 years to adjust this for all we care.
Most people just want Major Prophecy/Savagery and Sorcery/Brutality on their pots and they would be happy with the unfinished state it's in because it doesn't really effect them any more.
Inevitably, they will combine weapon/spell into 1 value as they stated so I fail to see how this would potentially require a redesign in the future. It would reduce the calculations on the server and the number of buffs to track. It's a net gain, but again, this is above us. We shouldn't have to make excuses or justifications for them.
Yeah the consumables post they made makes no sense at all. No reason the major/minors couldn't be combined and call it good for now. No reason why class lines cant give minor brutality/sorcery or minor savagery/prophecy. I cannot fathom why they dont just make this simple change. I can understand putting off the recoding of every calculation in the game involving WD/SD and Wcrit/Scrit while they wait for test results........the crazy thing is that in vengeance why do they still have weapon damage and spell damage. There is literally no reason to have them on freshly coded skills.
Yes the transparency and communication has been horrible. What I don't understand is that the devs still appear to be in PR hype mode where they don't want to be clear and make statements because it may affect a "launch day" hype effect. There is no hype in eso anymore. Look at the steamcharts and recent releases, there is no population spike. As a company you should be transitioning away from the hype big release pump and dump stock trader mentality and just work on communicating with the daily crowd.
Oh zos is 100% inflating the interest. What most anti vengeance people argue though ignores the fact that we need new people in pvp. Which is going to be counter to what the 1337 pvpers want, or atleast the people that actually think they are top tier. No matter what there is going to be a give and take.
Do you want better performance ...................... Or do you want proc soup with 10 passive proc effects on every skill?
Do you want more population........................... Or do you want to keep pvp gated to new players?
MashmalloMan wrote: »We all know it's a work in progress, but the closer they get to what we like about ESO as you said, the more reason there seems to be to just adjust the core experience to meet performance requirements the opposite direction. Let's not forget they're the ones that keep digging this hole. We've requested for years to put some type of cap on aoe healing or reduction. Update 35 was their grand plan to reduce complexity of rotations, but they made dots 20-30s long. If even mail lasting 30 days was an issue vs 14, imagine what 10s dots going to 20-30s did? I mean clearly they think it's one of the problems because dots are like 5s in Vengence and aoe dots are non existent.
Again, if I didn't think the campaign was taking up resources for developing the parts of the game I care about, then I wouldn't care, but it clearly is. I hope I'm wrong, but patch after patch we're told to keep waiting as if we have the memory of a gold fish. It's insulting. More recently we're told by the lead dev that he sees no issue with the 500+ older sets and apparently is scared to adjust them because of vertical power creep in a game with only 12 available slots and countless underbudget, objectively, and mathematically bad sets based on their own standards I could nit pick for days.
To me idc honestly so long as they continue their efforts towards some form of pvp. If they cancel vengeance right now that means cyro will be ignored completely and as power creep continues with pve releases they will just slowly reduce the pop cap until cyro is a 12v12v12 gamemode. If anything replacing u50 and nocp would be the best way. However they would still have to do vengeance only tests regardless for data capture. My ideal world would be where we see them slowly introduce core systems into vengeance restandardizing them as they go. Then implementing them in live once functional. Or just have the u50/nocp veng server slowly become more and more preferred due to development to the point where they can close GH.
People get upset at losing one week of abysmal GH pvp, yet I have been waiting since like clockwork for cyrodil to get back to a semi decent state. So for me its like they have already wasted 8 yeards of "company resources" so I just don't see the worry of losing a few months so far to vengeance...or even another year at this point.
Re: All Vengeance Perks
MincMincMinc wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »"It's just a test guys."
Best part, as all this is happening, we've noticably had next to no balance adjustments for the 500+ bad sets or the handful of clearly over budget sets that everyone is running. 4 years of incomplete hybridization. Next to no meaningful class balance adjustments outside of their set balance standard pass on passives with U46.
If it's not the future... then who is green lightning the time and resources wasted on this? We get it, less calculations, less aoe, less buff/debuff overlap and set variation equals better performance, so what exactly are we even "testing" anymore?
The real "test" is to see if they can develop a simplified, performant, permanent mode, into a playable state the playerbase enjoys enough so they can inevitably abandon efforts on ever fixing the base game cyrodiil.
Leave up the Vengence campaign for a month with no incentives, no golden pursuit, no bonus ap/xp, just let people decide what they find more enjoyable and I think they'll get their answer pretty quickly.
To the first point, say they do make those changes and complete hybridization. Doesn't it seem pointless if the testing finds that it all has to be redone anyways?
No it does not seem pointless, it seems unacceptable. 4 years is a long time with no end in site, imagine you conceived a child in Jan 2022, it would now be speaking full sentences and walking on its own today. It's beyond the point of the playerbase having to come up with excuses and defend what is potentially their thought process. I have no doubt that you're correct, but it doesn't make it right. In no service anywhere in the world should you have to wait 4 years+ for something to finish, let alone returning paying customer base that is only given broken promises.
Plus, what you're probably referring to is what ZOS is also locked in on; reworking consumables for potions, poisons, and food/drinks. No one actually cares about this part, they could take another 4 years to adjust this for all we care.
Most people just want Major Prophecy/Savagery and Sorcery/Brutality on their pots and they would be happy with the unfinished state it's in because it doesn't really effect them any more.
Inevitably, they will combine weapon/spell into 1 value as they stated so I fail to see how this would potentially require a redesign in the future. It would reduce the calculations on the server and the number of buffs to track. It's a net gain, but again, this is above us. We shouldn't have to make excuses or justifications for them.
MincMincMinc wrote: »Even doing the random strip away tests like I talked about above they could spend years and still not find a "source" of the lag, we all know deep down that the lag is from ALL of the systems across the board being bloated and without restrictions over the years. So random strip tests wont solve the problem, which only leaves you with wide sweeping power creep bloat reduction simplifications for systems or to start from scratch. Or just let the game die as is I suppose.
Likely they have to keep doing the tests to justify continuing to work on pvp at all. The higher ups would be expecting results after month long projects of rewriting existing code.
My point was, these aren't tests anymore. These show they've spent valuable time and resources on a product they plan to keep long term while they let the rest of the game stagnate in this void of nothing. I can only assume based on the past 3-4 years of nothing happening, that it's partially because of the Vengence campaign until they show me otherwise. Just be honest about what it is now. No company in their right mind would put this much polish into a "test".
If they said, "Hey, this started out as a test, but we're considering this may be a future avenue to offer an open world PVP experience that is more performant. It's a work in progress, we know it's not as complex as we'd like it to be, but eventually we hope to hit a middle ground where it retains some of the complexity our playerbase loves about ESO. We plan to keep it as one of the campaigns once it reaches a state we're happy with."
Great, I may not like it, but at least we can understand where they're coming from. I don't like being gaslit into conspiracy theories about why the game has seen next to 0 progress in the areas people really care about for 3-4 years now.
MincMincMinc wrote: »Sure you could leave the current vengeance campaign up for a month.....but whats the point? Itd be comparing an alpha test to a game with 10 years of development. We will see this week2 of Vengeance4. That will be the time to hard press zos to make sure they develop vengeance with the notion of bringing sets and normal ESO build elements back instead of the perk and loadout system. Which I think most people would agree would be the best solution as it retains all the build systems people like while reducing bloat across the board that is unnecessary.
My point was, I think the majority of people don't actually like the Vengence campaign and ZOS may be inflating what they think is interest, for what is esentially an event for rewards. If they actually want to gague interest, it needs to be up long enough for players to play it just because they find it fun, not because there is something to unlock.
We all know it's a work in progress, but the closer they get to what we like about ESO as you said, the more reason there seems to be to just adjust the core experience to meet performance requirements the opposite direction. Let's not forget they're the ones that keep digging this hole. We've requested for years to put some type of cap on aoe healing or reduction. Update 35 was their grand plan to reduce complexity of rotations, but they made dots 20-30s long. If even mail lasting 30 days was an issue vs 14, imagine what 10s dots going to 20-30s did? I mean clearly they think it's one of the problems because dots are like 5s in Vengence and aoe dots are non existent.
Again, if I didn't think the campaign was taking up resources for developing the parts of the game I care about, then I wouldn't care, but it clearly is. I hope I'm wrong, but patch after patch we're told to keep waiting as if we have the memory of a gold fish. It's insulting. More recently we're told by the lead dev that he sees no issue with the 500+ older sets and apparently is scared to adjust them because of vertical power creep in a game with only 12 available slots and countless underbudget, objectively, and mathematically bad sets based on their own standards I could nit pick for days.
Re: Dungeon Bots Invasion??
What would someone gain by using bots to farm group dungeons? Wouldn't the rewards (set gear, antiquity leads, transmute crystals) be account-bound?
