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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Well it’s been good to do some content where dps isn’t king.
Taarente
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
- Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
- Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
To answer the core questions asked:
Q: Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
A: No.
Q:Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
A: No.
Just following up here generally. We hear the feedback from solo players about the Night Market content. We want to follow up with just few things.
We have no intention of pushing solo players out of the game. However, we started this year off by noting that we were going to try some new things. Night Market is one of them. While we always provide group players with trials, we also wanted to try something different. This was not to alienate solo players, but rather to add a new way to play. That being said, we do hear the feedback and have passed that on our teams for future consideration, especially for when Night Market comes back later in the year. Remember, part of the ethos of this event is to add to it over time.
As several have noted in this thread as well, we have a roadmap that is publicly available. The point of the roadmap is to showcase the content we have coming throughout the year. As is noted on the roadmap and current PTS testing, we have plenty of solo friendly content as well. Thieves Guild and Sheogorath Questlines, Favors system, Rumors system, Two Solo Dungeons, Sage's Vault, and the list can keep going. And that is all on top of existing content. We also understand that not every piece of content will be for everyone, and that is okay.
We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bear repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.
We'll close with this. Last year, we saw many threads throughout the year asking us to address content and find new ways of renewing the gameplay experience, both in variety and challenge. We are in the first passes of this now with items like Night Market going live. But we will have content throughout the year to address both solo and group play within the community. The feedback is helpful to steer us on the right track. So thanks to everyone, both solo players and group players, who have given their constructive feedback regarding the Night Market. The team is taking a look at what can be done during this current running and what can be adjusted for the next run of the Night Market.
I just want to remind everyone, anyone, that MMO does NOT mean grouping. It never meant grouping. It meant shared map. It meant socializing. Using the term Massive Multi-player Online to provide an excuse to push grouping and guilds is trying too hard to validate attempting to change the way we play.
And outside of dungeons, some which can be done solo with a solo mode coming soon, and trial content, there is NOTHING that can be done specifically as a large group.
My guilds would run world boss events but those got boring fast, especially when many can be done solo.
Thats all there is for group PvE large group content.
Trials and "make your own overland event."
ESO features heaps of solo content, thats 80% of the game.
But has always featured very little for group play, with trials being the only dedicated group event limited at 12.
They add ONE THING for a more casual group approach...
And y'all won't let it stand.
Re: Please don't Auto-Pin Golden Pursuit and Tome activities
why dont they unpin when completed?
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
I really, really want to keep engaging with this topic… but for what? Why? Just to give moderator more work so they can come in, remove my replies, and leave yours (and others)?
Fine. Talk to yourself or with others. There’s no reason for me to keep replying.
Here's a rough summary of content by ascending difficulty:
Overland Mobs/Delve Mobs
Delve Boss
Normal Dungeon Mobs - Base Game
Public Dungeon Mobs
Normal Trial Mobs - Base Game
Normal Dungeon Boss - Base Game
Craglorn Mobs - Group Areas
Veteran Dungeon Mobs - Base Game
Night Market Mobs
Overland World Boss - Base Game
Normal Dungeon Mobs - DLC
Public Dungeon Boss - Base Game
Public Dungeon Group Event - Base Game
Craglorn Boss - Group Areas
Normal Dungeon Boss - DLC
Normal Trial Boss - Base Game
Veteran Dungeon Mobs - DLC
Veteran Trial Mobs - Base Game
Night Market Brazen Boss
Veteran Dungeon Trifecta - Base Game
Public Dungeon Boss - DLC
Public Dungeon Group Event - DLC
Night Market Argent Boss
Veteran Trial Boss - Base Game
Overland World Boss - DLC
Night Market Calamitous Boss
Veteran Trial Mobs - DLC
Veteran Dungeon Boss - DLC
Night Market Skirmish
Veteran Trial Boss - DLC
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A very very very wide gap aka hardcore
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Veteran Dungeon Trifecta - DLC
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A very very very wide gap aka hardcore
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Veteran Trial Trifecta - DLC
Edit: Typos
Re: Lets mend the divide and get guud together
OP said he wanted to improve and learn so disparaging comments about casuals are not appropriate here.
The best advice is to find a guild with someone who is willing to help you with a build, both gear and skills, and show you how to use a training dummy, especially if your build requires light attack weaving. That is something that no one adequately taught me until I was too old to keep that up without pain.
It might take more than one teacher for you to find someone that is patient and knowledgeable so don’t give up and keep searching. Some people can get all the info that they need off the internet and be successful on their own, but I was not one of those people. Builds change too, so something that is good now may not be the next update. That is where a good teacher or a good guild can be invaluable.
Good luck.
EDIT: typo
The best advice is to find a guild with someone who is willing to help you with a build, both gear and skills, and show you how to use a training dummy, especially if your build requires light attack weaving. That is something that no one adequately taught me until I was too old to keep that up without pain.
It might take more than one teacher for you to find someone that is patient and knowledgeable so don’t give up and keep searching. Some people can get all the info that they need off the internet and be successful on their own, but I was not one of those people. Builds change too, so something that is good now may not be the next update. That is where a good teacher or a good guild can be invaluable.
Good luck.
EDIT: typo
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
sleepy_worm wrote: »This is not true. Group Finder groups for trials regularly fill. Group Finder groups for Night Market fill within 60 seconds.The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it.This is also not true. You can teleport to someone in a busy instance if you want to zerg. Unless you meant multi-player content, as you would be following around other players. If you meant multi-player content, I agree that is what it is.The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.)And this is absolutely not true. I have been playing with CP 100 or level 12 characters quite often. They are very clearly participating.Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating.
Totally disagree with your points. I think they are very selective.
The Group Finder does not function. Perhaps in your world it does but not on the server on which I play. What server do you claim it works on?
The Night Market IS forced group content. The development team pointed out that they designed it for groups with the intent of "encouraging" group play. As I stated, it is FORCED because it cannot be done solo.
No. My friends and I have tried various overland, non-capper builds. If a player does not have CP close to cap and dungeon gear they are not going to live long. Maybe they can survive if they follow a large group and pretend to participate. But they will not be working the Night Market without CP and dungeon gear. (include dungeon pots with gear)
The reality is that there is a huge gap between players that dungeon and players that don't. That gap is caused by power creeps that are generated by dungeon gear, pots, special items. It appears to be self-perpetuating. At some point, if the solo players (non dungeon) do not get access to the same content as those with the power-creep, there will be such a divide that the development team will be forced to choose to whom to cater. Then, the game will die suddenly. I've seen it happen. I have experienced such. I have been on both sides of that creep and see it for what it is.
It is my position that if we, as players and developers, continue to ignore this issue and sweep it aside using excuses it will only get worse. At the end, when we are all forced to see it, it will be too late to recover. (if you don't agree, that is fine, but don't say it isn't happening where it is. Denial helps no one.)
I could pick up an Arcanist, equip them with Deadly (purchaseable), Tide-Born (crafted) and a Maelstrom 2h, along with Velothi, and perform just fine in the Night Market. I could solo packs the same as I do on any other toon. I could do at least reasonable damage in a group setting there. This logic just falls flat. Yes, it is entirely plausible someone running a weak class/build with low quality gear and a lack of understanding of how the game functions will struggle, sure. That makes sense.
Part of the issue with ESO's community is how seriously people take the "play how you want" mantra. Yes, you *can* in theory do whatever you want. That won't make it strong, competitive or effective for specific branches of content. Once you reach ~1600 CP, you can unlock all the meaningful nodes. Being CP cap does next to nothing for you.
While it's true that there are *massive* gaps in the ESO community, the is largely self-created. If people refuse to adapt to meta shifts, refuse to run group content, refuse to engage with huge swathes of the content within the game to improve themselves and work on themselves, yes. They will fall behind and stay behind.
I have played nearly every MMO that has released since I started in EverQuest. That is how literally every MMO works. Most of the "power creep" in ESO trends toward classes moreso than gear sets. Metas are often defined by classes, and in some cases, which sets/items work best on which classes. However, ESO's long-standing issue since I began playing around Morrowind is the ghastly lack of class balance and how poorly the dev teams over the years have addressed/approached that.
This new dev team seems to have the right idea, so it's time to let them cook.
Skjaldbjorn
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Re: Let's talk about Werewolf Grimoires (Update 50 and onwards)
good ideas!
i also want more Grimoires and Werewolf would definitely benefit from it
i also want more Grimoires and Werewolf would definitely benefit from it
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
sleepy_worm wrote: »This is not true. Group Finder groups for trials regularly fill. Group Finder groups for Night Market fill within 60 seconds.The group finder doesn't function because players don't use it.This is also not true. You can teleport to someone in a busy instance if you want to zerg. Unless you meant multi-player content, as you would be following around other players. If you meant multi-player content, I agree that is what it is.The Night Market is forced group content. (Forced because it is NOT doable solo.)And this is absolutely not true. I have been playing with CP 100 or level 12 characters quite often. They are very clearly participating.Without the CP points and the dungeon gears, a player does not have a chance at participating.
Totally disagree with your points. I think they are very selective.
The Group Finder does not function. Perhaps in your world it does but not on the server on which I play. What server do you claim it works on?
The Night Market IS forced group content. The development team pointed out that they designed it for groups with the intent of "encouraging" group play. As I stated, it is FORCED because it cannot be done solo.
No. My friends and I have tried various overland, non-capper builds. If a player does not have CP close to cap and dungeon gear they are not going to live long. Maybe they can survive if they follow a large group and pretend to participate. But they will not be working the Night Market without CP and dungeon gear. (include dungeon pots with gear)
The reality is that there is a huge gap between players that dungeon and players that don't. That gap is caused by power creeps that are generated by dungeon gear, pots, special items. It appears to be self-perpetuating. At some point, if the solo players (non dungeon) do not get access to the same content as those with the power-creep, there will be such a divide that the development team will be forced to choose to whom to cater. Then, the game will die suddenly. I've seen it happen. I have experienced such. I have been on both sides of that creep and see it for what it is.
It is my position that if we, as players and developers, continue to ignore this issue and sweep it aside using excuses it will only get worse. At the end, when we are all forced to see it, it will be too late to recover. (if you don't agree, that is fine, but don't say it isn't happening where it is. Denial helps no one.)
shadoza
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
MidnightDuel wrote: »We really need someone from ZOS to tell us what happens to the house when the Night Market event is over.
Do you really think that ZOS would be so foolish to give people a house and then yoink it and its contents away from people after the event? Can you imagine the pitchforks? I'm surprised people would seriously consider this to be a possibility.
In any case, yes, the house remained accessible after the NM closed during the U49 PTS.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
ESO_player123 wrote: »Could the house be not shown on the map because you have not discovered it (as in did not run close enough to it)? I remember I had the same issue with some other houses where I had to run to them to make them appear on the map.MidnightDuel wrote: »What happens AFTER the Night Market ends?
Where will the entrance to the Night's Den house be located? Will players be able to exit the house in Fargrave when the Market is gone? Will there be an entrace somewhere in Fargrave?
Because the only entrance to the Night's Den house is located inside the Night Market zone, it is currently undiscoverable on the PTS, since the portal to the market from Fargrave's Shambles district not active. I've been to where the portal is supposed to be when the Night Market event is on live, but there's nothing there.
Due to the timing of the event's start and the PTS character copy, no one on the PTS will have access to the house. We really need someone from ZOS to tell us what happens to the house when the Night Market event is over. @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Likewise, we need need to know what happens to the furnishings unlocked and purchasable through the Night Market's faction merchants. Will they be available for purchase after the event ends from another source or only purchasable during the event, or possibly only when the Night Market returns?
