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Night Market has made Group Finder come alive
I have always used the group finder but it could be difficult to use it to find groups for things. Many seemed to not know how it worked or just simply weren't interested in group finder groups. And you'd basically have to shout out to your guilds and zones to get people to check it.
Night Market has changed that in a big way. Groups fill in seconds to a couple of minutes. People asking about it aren't asking for invites anyway anymore but joining in using group finder.
Most of my groups are quiet but I've also met so many nice people that were trying to go the extra mile to keep things entertaining or helpful.
One was an older lady who read to us from her book while we waited for the skirmish to come back. She had a wonderful reading voice. I didn't get a chance to ask her but I wonder if she was an educator because she was a great reader.
Another nice player gave me a Glimmering Goad recipe fragment because our group helped her get the spider puzzle achievement done. I had made the group for the spider puzzle because I just wanted to be done with the puzzles and wasn't expecting that at all!
Another dude very patiently explained the brood mother skirmish in great detail and encouraged the group even though it was kind of a disaster. When the boss despawned, he didn't get angry even though I know it must have been frustrating. He just said, "Don't worry about guys. This is the hardest fight in the districts. You'll get it done next time," and thanks to him, I was able to carry his instructions over to a different group and we got it done.
Playing in the Night Market has really given me a new found appreciation for the group finder and the community, even if not every experience was great. It feels revitalized.
Night Market has changed that in a big way. Groups fill in seconds to a couple of minutes. People asking about it aren't asking for invites anyway anymore but joining in using group finder.
Most of my groups are quiet but I've also met so many nice people that were trying to go the extra mile to keep things entertaining or helpful.
One was an older lady who read to us from her book while we waited for the skirmish to come back. She had a wonderful reading voice. I didn't get a chance to ask her but I wonder if she was an educator because she was a great reader.
Another nice player gave me a Glimmering Goad recipe fragment because our group helped her get the spider puzzle achievement done. I had made the group for the spider puzzle because I just wanted to be done with the puzzles and wasn't expecting that at all!
Another dude very patiently explained the brood mother skirmish in great detail and encouraged the group even though it was kind of a disaster. When the boss despawned, he didn't get angry even though I know it must have been frustrating. He just said, "Don't worry about guys. This is the hardest fight in the districts. You'll get it done next time," and thanks to him, I was able to carry his instructions over to a different group and we got it done.
Playing in the Night Market has really given me a new found appreciation for the group finder and the community, even if not every experience was great. It feels revitalized.
spartaxoxo
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
I enjoy doing solo and group content. I mainly enjoy solo content and the story/lore, as well as looting boxes, reading from bookcases, talking to NPC's.
I like the loop that most zones have where you can progress through the zone solo, and there are opportunities to stop and do content, or join groups to do more difficult content like world bosses, incursions, trials or dungeons. I like the zone completion, and that some of the zone completion requires working with a group. That pattern is not present here.
I do sometimes research builds, and run specific content to get gear. mostly healing and some tanking though; I'm not interested in being a high performing dps. I'm more interested in keeping the group alive, with some dps when the healing is slow. I did that a bit for infinite archive. I'm not interested in doing that for a limited time zone, that will be gone in a couple of months. I might be okay if I could do most of it with my solo build, but there were some group areas where I had to adjust my build to finish it up.
I liked how events like the west weald event (and similar events) worked where the focus was on the world boss quests and the delves. Groups would cluster in these specific group areas, and for specific bosses, and it was easy to find/start groups in zone chat.
What attracted and kept me in the game was that I could spend the majority of my time working on solo tasks, and on the weekends or some evenings I could queue up for dungeons, or join groups for world bosses, trials or other things like dolmens.
I liked the regular cadence of a story chapter that had a zone with it's story, and I could play it in my own pace. Sometimes I take a break and I catch up doing a few expansions.
So far this year I have seen nothing that fits into this pattern. I paused my sub a few weeks ago, and figured if night market was enjoyable I'd renew it.
I get that it's intended to be a challenging area. That's just not what motivates me to play the game. Usually when I've done all the story/solo content in a zone, I'll go back and work on the group content. Sometimes I may solo world bosses.
I think for now, I'll hold off on renewing my plus subscription. I'll keep an eye out in the official discord to see if some changes happen to night market, or if anything else changes.
I like the loop that most zones have where you can progress through the zone solo, and there are opportunities to stop and do content, or join groups to do more difficult content like world bosses, incursions, trials or dungeons. I like the zone completion, and that some of the zone completion requires working with a group. That pattern is not present here.
I do sometimes research builds, and run specific content to get gear. mostly healing and some tanking though; I'm not interested in being a high performing dps. I'm more interested in keeping the group alive, with some dps when the healing is slow. I did that a bit for infinite archive. I'm not interested in doing that for a limited time zone, that will be gone in a couple of months. I might be okay if I could do most of it with my solo build, but there were some group areas where I had to adjust my build to finish it up.
I liked how events like the west weald event (and similar events) worked where the focus was on the world boss quests and the delves. Groups would cluster in these specific group areas, and for specific bosses, and it was easy to find/start groups in zone chat.
What attracted and kept me in the game was that I could spend the majority of my time working on solo tasks, and on the weekends or some evenings I could queue up for dungeons, or join groups for world bosses, trials or other things like dolmens.
I liked the regular cadence of a story chapter that had a zone with it's story, and I could play it in my own pace. Sometimes I take a break and I catch up doing a few expansions.
So far this year I have seen nothing that fits into this pattern. I paused my sub a few weeks ago, and figured if night market was enjoyable I'd renew it.
I get that it's intended to be a challenging area. That's just not what motivates me to play the game. Usually when I've done all the story/solo content in a zone, I'll go back and work on the group content. Sometimes I may solo world bosses.
I think for now, I'll hold off on renewing my plus subscription. I'll keep an eye out in the official discord to see if some changes happen to night market, or if anything else changes.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bear repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.
And I think there is the problem. The definition of an MMO isn't the same as it was 20 years ago.. Not many are built around the idea of the "require a group" anymore. They are mostly starting to go grouping is optional. And there needs to be a way and to take the time to figure out how to design things to be both casual and hardcore friendly at the same time. Not just one or the other.
The Night Market is very casual friendly though. It can be pugged quite easily. You also don't have to group if you're in an instance that's full; you can run around near other players.
And at the end of the day, it's a single piece of free content. Are all the people complaining about grouping in the Night Market doing the same for trials?
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
barney2525 wrote: »I just got done re-rolling 9 times. NOTHING popped that was possible to just solo.
I am disappointed at what the game is turning into. There is a lot of content and zones/DLCs to make a new character and run that solo. But the least they could do is give us the option to make a toggle to set Achievements either Account or per Character. Some of us understand that it is the Character that earned the Master Crafter title.
I also do not care for the " 5000 or NOTHING " approach.
Edit: whats the deal with the emoji change? suddenly they are huge so you get less of an assortment.
Again, 95% of the game is soloable...
If you don't like group-based events, then simply don't do them.
I don't like PvP, so I don't do PvP events. And if the next major update to the game is for PvP players, I'll just be happy for them and will not do it.
We've been flooded with solo content in the game for 11 years. Please let players who enjoy group play and PvP have their turn this year.
Re: The new house (Night's Den) doesn't hold a candle to the Hall of the Lunar Champion
twisttop138 wrote: »I like the Night's Den more. Love the house and it's special features. I haven't really bothered with my Elsewyr house.
The house also excited me enough to do my very first ESO trial in 6 years for that 150 favor. Ezabi is not happy this vault isn't open yet.
This is so awesome to hear! I'm so curious. Did you enjoy it? Would you do other trials?
As for the house, I think it's cool and furnished well. It's different for sure and will have guild bank access I hear. Definitely a must have.
I enjoyed the Trial a lot. I was farming a lot of Night Market so I was part of many PUGS trying to figure out mechanics, which means I spent way more time doing it than friends who just did it after there were more guides available.
I think I spent about 10 hours on it when people didn't really know anything. My friend took 1.5 hours total when everyone already knew what to do.
So, I was frustrated at first but I felt a lot of accomplishment. I would do more trials moving ahead and figuring out what I am missing as a healer to be more valuable.
As a soloer/rper I was a bit daunted by trials because I didn't want to be the player that caused it to fail, and I know in other games a "bad healer" means the raid fails. But I'm more encouraged now for sure.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bear repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.
And I think there is the problem. The definition of an MMO isn't the same as it was 20 years ago.. Not many are built around the idea of the "require a group" anymore. They are mostly starting to go grouping is optional. And there needs to be a way and to take the time to figure out how to design things to be both casual and hardcore friendly at the same time. Not just one or the other.
Mission
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Re: Whats the point of the PTS
MachineGod wrote: »Night market buggy bosses don't die ability's don't work an new mythic broken as hell. Why have it seems like wasted recourses?
I don't know, Could it be feedback like this simply does not help at all? All vague points with no actual meaningful points for ZOS to consider. So if they come across this thread it's basically:
What bosses? (No information provided)
What abilites don't work? (No information provided)
What exactly do you mean by the new mythic is "broken as hell"? (Unclear, No information provided)
"Why wont they read my post?!?
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you have the internet look it up. its all bosses an all ability's im not your teacher like do you even play the game? [snip]
So... instead of making detailed arguments and exact grievances of what exactly you think is wrong with the PTS cycle you tell people to "look it up online".... meanwhile you complain that "your" opinion is not heard...then when others indicate that your post should provide some additional insights you accuse them of being malicious...
Exactly who is rage baiting here?
Keep in mind that opinions are a dime a dozen and most people think that theirs is the most important one in the universe and it will never actually quite be the same as yours. So please do us a favor....
If your gonna complain about how something is horribly awful, please do us the courtesy of explaining and expressing Exactly why it is so with enough information to be helpful. Otherwise dont be upset when you tell someone to "go look it up" and be further disappointed when they change something to "fix" it and they fix the only thing you actually liked into something you didn't.
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
@Athory Hey man sorry for the offtopic, i'm noticing you using this character " — " a lot across your forum posts, where are you getting it ? I can't find it on my keyboard
This explains so much lmao, good catch
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
@Athory More bolded text, you can do better, no? And swearing at me? Yikes.
I could do better but everyone else has already pointed everything out to you already and you won't listen. This is group content and was advertised as such. The rare cases where you could solo it, they gave HEAVY caveats about how that would look.
Not all content in an MMO is soloable. Are you also going to be sad you can't do vet trials and vet dungeons and all other kinds of vet, group content? I don't do all content either..... for example, cyrodiil and IC are pretty scary for me. But during PvP events, I find a group who enjoys that, and if I feel I want the FOMO sort of content/achieves (and can't just buy it from gold I acquired doing things I do like)- I get it and then go back to what I like more.
You can do the same. Maybe Night Market (which is its name, not sure why you keep saying "snip," It's very immature of you) isn't for you- and that's OK! Just...... don't do it?
Solo March of Sacrifices and Moon Hunter Keep are coming. Obviously solo players are still getting plenty of attention. But others have already TOLD you that.
I could do better but everyone else has already pointed everything out to you already and you won't listen. This is group content and was advertised as such. The rare cases where you could solo it, they gave HEAVY caveats about how that would look.
Not all content in an MMO is soloable. Are you also going to be sad you can't do vet trials and vet dungeons and all other kinds of vet, group content? I don't do all content either..... for example, cyrodiil and IC are pretty scary for me. But during PvP events, I find a group who enjoys that, and if I feel I want the FOMO sort of content/achieves (and can't just buy it from gold I acquired doing things I do like)- I get it and then go back to what I like more.
You can do the same. Maybe Night Market (which is its name, not sure why you keep saying "snip," It's very immature of you) isn't for you- and that's OK! Just...... don't do it?
Solo March of Sacrifices and Moon Hunter Keep are coming. Obviously solo players are still getting plenty of attention. But others have already TOLD you that.
Leighlaa
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Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
There are a lot of people grouping and running the content via guilds and group finder. Some will always complain. At least in my social guild, there was such demand this weekend that we had to run a group every day and it generally overflowed into a second one (or extra people tagged along when there wasn't someone to organize the second group). These are largely newer or casual players; though we run normal trials, this is not some hardcore endgame guild. We actually have not seen such a level of demand or participation by guildies in *anything* for a couple years.
Just because some people are posting repetitively and complaining (and perhaps people in their circles are doing so too) does not mean "the majority" doesn't want this content; just as its popularity in my social guild is anecdotal as well. In the end zos will of course look at the feedback, but also the actual numbers and judge the event's success (and what future changes might be in order) for themselves I imagine.
Personally I like it, though there are some issues that I brought up in the feedback thread. It's one of the more social and challenging things that's happened in a while. Glad they're trying new things because my opinion was that the game was becoming stagnant!
Just because some people are posting repetitively and complaining (and perhaps people in their circles are doing so too) does not mean "the majority" doesn't want this content; just as its popularity in my social guild is anecdotal as well. In the end zos will of course look at the feedback, but also the actual numbers and judge the event's success (and what future changes might be in order) for themselves I imagine.
Personally I like it, though there are some issues that I brought up in the feedback thread. It's one of the more social and challenging things that's happened in a while. Glad they're trying new things because my opinion was that the game was becoming stagnant!
