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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
I hope people are not deliberately hiding exploits to manipulate the development of this game.
If anything, it’s certainly poor testing/showmanship. It does make a rather unfortunate time trying to request for any positive change while the next person in line drops yet another obfuscated parse, so on and so forth.
Again, as I’ve mentioned there are legitimate issues that are exploitable and deserve to be patched, however, if we work to point this out along with in-kit deficiencies (especially from live were we have 5+ years of real testing showing that werewolf underperforms vastly in PvP), then we can hopefully see a type of balance where ‘everyone wins’.
Wuuffyy
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Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
To answer the OP’s question, it’s not that I don’t like grouping for NM. It’s just that my playtime is limited and sporadic and can be interrupted at any moment by RL issues that it’s hard for me to group because I may have to drop out at a moment’s notice and I don’t want to inconvenience other players. The only time I’ll risk it is when I think there’s a chance I won’t be interrupted long enough to finish.
Elvenheart
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
My view of the content overall hasn't really changed from the PTS. The main hub is quite cool but, I don't really enjoy the content and I hope we don't see much more of this style of content.
Ignoring all that some potential issues that might be possible to improve:
The incentives kinda drop off once you've got around 2-3k until you hit like 10k and then it doesn't really matter.
I'm not sure the rewards for the dungeon/trial are really worth the grind to access if you have already done them a few times.
Ignoring all that some potential issues that might be possible to improve:
The incentives kinda drop off once you've got around 2-3k until you hit like 10k and then it doesn't really matter.
I'm not sure the rewards for the dungeon/trial are really worth the grind to access if you have already done them a few times.
Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
The Group Finder - and group content in general - has the serious flaw that you need other people to be on to play it. Even with the content being new I have to wait until afternoon/evening to get anything meaningful done. That will get worse as it gets older and people finish with it/get bored, which is why I pushed myself to finish the Trial this weekend.
Also, they really need to rethink making the keys for the dungeon single use per completion - I had finished the Parch dungeon and then got in a different group for the other two, and was unable to help them get the Parch so we could go on to the Trial together. And if I want to go for any of the side achievements I have to get the keys again, so I probably won’t bother. I doubt I’m the only one and that will make the dropoff faster.
Also, they really need to rethink making the keys for the dungeon single use per completion - I had finished the Parch dungeon and then got in a different group for the other two, and was unable to help them get the Parch so we could go on to the Trial together. And if I want to go for any of the side achievements I have to get the keys again, so I probably won’t bother. I doubt I’m the only one and that will make the dropoff faster.
Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »The Group Finder - and group content in general - has the serious flaw that you need other people to be on to play it. Even with the content being new I have to wait until afternoon/evening to get anything meaningful done. That will get worse as it gets older and people finish with it/get bored, which is why I pushed myself to finish the Trial this weekend.
Also, they really need to rethink making the keys for the dungeon single use per completion - I had finished the Parch dungeon and then got in a different group for the other two, and was unable to help them get the Parch so we could go on to the Trial together. And if I want to go for any of the side achievements I have to get the keys again, so I probably won’t bother. I doubt I’m the only one and that will make the dropoff faster.
i think they should have done it so we got master keys for argents 1st time around then a master key for gilded 2nd time around so that there was a progression to the system not just full on grind to get them everytime
Re: (Challenge Difficulty) Am I the only one...
I personally like that overland mobs and quest bosses finally have time to do something before they die, and that defense is something I actually have to consider. I'm no longer completely immune to dying in overland just because I slotted Reaving Blows. That said, Reaving Blows, ROPO, Puncturing Sweeps and the like are still effectual defense mechanisms, just not on their own. (I honestly think they need to be reworked though they finally feel like they're in a good place in Overland on Vestige, while feeling wildly overpowered in other content)
I did a test where I compared a public dungeon on Vestige to vet Vateshran Hollows, and my finding was that the public dungeon mobs both died faster and hit harder. VH felt more like a slog that outside of specific mechanics was completely unthreatening. And this is the difficulty that's not being touched.
I did a test where I compared a public dungeon on Vestige to vet Vateshran Hollows, and my finding was that the public dungeon mobs both died faster and hit harder. VH felt more like a slog that outside of specific mechanics was completely unthreatening. And this is the difficulty that's not being touched.
Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
SeaGtGruff wrote: »The funny thing is, even if I'm not "hard grouped" with anyone else, just "soft grouped" in the general vicinity of other players, if we're fighting mobs and bosses then I'll start racking up "kills" (for the "kill 25/50/75 enemies" daily) for enemies killed by the other players, even if I never scored a hit on those enemies.
I wonder if that might be part of why some players are just hanging back on the outskirts of fights and not joining in-- because they're getting passive kills just by being "soft grouped" with players who are doing the actual fighting? I don't know.
I noticed this my second time in the Night Market, and, yes, as a mostly solo player, I thought about actually hanging back and letting those kills rack up.
But, I don't like doing that so I leapt in and started 'helping' (not sure I actually did do a lot of helping, considering I barely scratched the mob that killed me and sent me to the resurrection platform in the first place :P) and that was the most productive 'soft group' I had, I got several quests, got a couple done, and got all the kills needed for that one quest.
I just came back from the Night market, and Here is what I saw in the GF.
There were a lot of groups. Most, if not all but one or two, were for specific bosses or trials, or tasks. They weren't 'lets just group and run around and kill things and get dailies done!' Which is what I like about the soft grouping, it allows me to decide to follow this group, or break off with that group and go elsewhere.
When you have a large soft group, then players will break off to go to a specific quest, then join back up, and you can always decide to follow one group or the other, (unless there isn't a need to break off to do things like that), but with a formal group, I, at least, feel like I have to be with the main body/group leader.
Re: Launcher freezing after game exit.
Wow this is still an issue at the end of April 2026. ZOS this is unacceptable, fix your launcher! At least aknowledge this, what disgraceful support from you guys. Gotta be one of the worst companies I have seen for lakc of support.
Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
OccultNerd wrote: »Along comes Night Market...you need to group/follow a group/ sneak etc.. no problem, it was advertised as group content.
What I don't understand is why so many players refuse to group up and then come to the forums or FB groups and moan because they expected to do solo NM and they can't, so that's it they are quitting....what is they actual issue? Why won't these players join a team?
I've seen people asking for a solo or easier version of NM, why? Especially after the majority of players wanted harder content!
I have been in there solo and with groups of players and have watched the revolving door of respawns up on the platforms. These were not small groups, either. People were simply dying. Over and over. Players give up and wander off. Now, maybe "git gud" applies here, but seriously, is that what content is in 2026? I don't think that a lot of players realize that this is trial content. The sand fleas will one shot a lot of characters.
Personally, I treat dying as a strategy, not a hindrance. It allows me to bypass groups of "trash mobs" and complete daily quests without needing a group or someone to wander along and pull them out of my way.
Elsonso
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Re: Why is everyone so adverse to grouping for NM?
When Solstice came out on ESO+ a month or two ago, I was constantly forming and joining groups in chat, sharing quests etc. - it was very friendly and pleasant. I didn't need to form an 'official' group for the siege camps, as there were always at least a couple of players at each camp to help take the boss down.
I was expecting the same kind of experience with the Night Market. I didn't miss the fact that it was advertised as 'group content', and I wasn't put off. However the chat was dead, I saw one other player (who was as squishy as I was) and the one and only group in the Group Finder was so far away I died at least 20 times trying to get to them and then gave up.
It's too dismissive to say that players who don't like the Night Market missed the memo, or are anti-social and hate grouping. There's no soft grouping; zone chat is presumably 'per instance' rather than zone wide, so no finding any help there; and you may need multiple players for even the easiest faction quests (two players and our companions couldn't get past the trash mobs in my experience), which players might feel embarrassed posting a request in group finder for.
If people are enjoying it, fine. I gave it a crack and now I'm enjoying not doing it!
This is how I feel.
I prefer to play solo and not group, because I don't always know how much time I will have to play and groups don't always have the same agenda as I do, so I just don't.
I am not opposed to it and have and will group when it is needed.
I, however, very much prefer soft grouping where I can join a large party of people who are just all headed in the same direction, and that is what I thought this would be like. That there would be groups of people running around, and I could join them.
When I did find groups like that (only twice), yeah, it was fun, I got some stuff done, and things were generally okay.
But the other three times I tried it, the zones were empty. One time, the first, there were a lot of people in the Night Market portion of the instance, but only one or two in the skittering precinct where I was sent. The second time, again Skittering, I saw one other person running around the resurrection point, and no fights going on down below. The third time, the night market itself was empty, had like 5 players running around, and the zones, the other two besides skittering, each had like one person running around in them. I just went and ran the zone to get the main quest for my faction done so I can try to do dailies if I ever felt like it. Dying several times in the process (twice deliberately so I could get to the portal out of that zone)
I am planning on using the GF if it has any groups in it, but as someone whose build is a mess, I feel somewhat hesitant to join a random group, because you never know what you are going to get, plus I have heard people talk about how they have joined groups, and those groups are further in the districts, and they were never able to make it to them. Or the group wipes and then disbands.