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Re: Cannot put Night Market Relic on the pedestal in Night's Den
Be in building mode, search for the relic by name in the list of your furnishings, place it like any normal piece of furnishing on the pedestal (like you would place a candlestick on a table).
If you cannot find it by name, make sure that you opened the mail that contained the relic (If I remember correctly, it was in a container. If so, make sure to open that container).
If you cannot find it by name, make sure that you opened the mail that contained the relic (If I remember correctly, it was in a container. If so, make sure to open that container).
Re: Night Market - I was wrong
* the respawn ghost timer is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar to long. it needs to be 5s max - not almost 20s (1)
* the respawn points need to make sense - not put you 4000043 miles away.(2)
(1) It's intentional to let you go back to the place of the fight without being hindered.
(1) and (2) are related. It totally makes sense!
Eliahnus
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Re: Night Market - I was wrong
I got an insight from another player's comment about the respawn long time - it's made on purpose to help you run through enemies without aggroing them and rejoin your group/turn in quests. Yes, you can interact with quests while ghost.
So it helps and can stay, now that we still get credit.
this, and you can technically do other things while in ghost if you are in a group such as rez (not sure if thats intentional, but it might be since its an "interaction" and they might have had to allow that to be able to interact with the quests while in ghost)
Re: Now that we can run around in our underwear...
BardokRedSnow wrote: »Different kinds of underwear too lol
This is 2026, cmon now lol y'all know you'd make money off underwear packs
Absolutely! I can see it now, "Covenant assorted collectible warrior briefs" or "Vvardenfell flame resistant undergarment pack"!
Malprave
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Re: Night Market - Week One Notes
I don’t understand the criticism about social interaction. In most of the groups I’ve been in many people don’t say a word. You can think of playing in a group as having 11 companions. They just help you with hit points and damage. And you can make them go away when the quest is finished.
Edit: The 11 Companions would be a great guild name!
I think some folks have had a bad experience because not every group is pleasant. Some are very selective and will kick you or avoid you if you do not meet their gear or skills standards. (gatekeeping is real)
Asocial people might find public rejection confusing or difficult to not take personally. They want to experience the Night Market and maybe they want the house, but they are loathed to risk that aggressive behavior that sometimes comes with dealing with strangers. (You can see the aggression in the fora. Imagine what it might be like for them in the game chat where the Devs don't see it.)
The house rewards are often viewed as a great reward by those that do not decorate because they give a quick access to various countries on the map for new characters that had not been there.
On the bad side, the Night Market was billed as an event for everyone when it was introduced. While that bill has been toned down, it still rings in the minds of the players that heard it. If the Night Market had been billed as a new approach to a trial dungeon, this whole scene would have been different. The controversy with solo players would not be.
shadoza
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Re: Night Market - Week One Notes
I would honestly caution hyping up engagement so early in NM's release, because EVERY big release goes this way. People pile in for about a month or so and then engagement starts to die out. People either get bored, get frustrated by X or Y grind, or get what they wanted and then don't mess with the content. I'd say it would be better to wait until the end of the cycle for the NM to get a better idea of how many people KEEP engaging with the content.
There's also something to be said about people needing to farm Keys, because that can make engagement seem like it's higher than it is. Are a majority of people doing the general content because they WANT to, or are they only doing it over and over because they HAVE to in order to do the content they'd prefer to (the Dungeons and Trial)?
And then there's definitely something to be said about making group content where grouping doesn't work as often as it should. Random groups can be hard to fill, especially if you're looking for specific things. Groups can fall apart quickly for a variety of reasons. Groups can be too weak and wipe repeatedly. Getting to a group that's further in can be impossible because of overtuned trash packs. Groups can consist of people in different factions but faction quests as I understand can't be shared to people in other factions. If the answer is going to be "just group" then grouping ACTUALLY needs to work and groups need to have an easier time at succeeding than it sounds like many have.
The biggest issue in regards to grouping seems to be trash being too strong, honestly. If you die and get separated from the group, it can result in not being able to get back to them. If the group is too far in you might not have any ability to even get to them. If enough people die and they get scattered around the map, people can wind up just giving up and the group winds up being too small to do much of anything else. Trash packs genuinely need to be tuned down to SOME degree so that getting to a group isn't so hard and getting separated from a group isn't so punishing.
Because as it stands, I 100% see the NM going to same route as big "group" things have time and again. Activity for a while after release, but then after a time too few people are doing the content for one reason or another and it gets to a point where a majority can't get a group together to run it. I would say it would be better to make things a bit more accessible so the NM actually sticks around for the long haul, then to keep it where it is and risk it vanishing after the initial three runs because interest and engagement dropped off too hard.
There's also something to be said about people needing to farm Keys, because that can make engagement seem like it's higher than it is. Are a majority of people doing the general content because they WANT to, or are they only doing it over and over because they HAVE to in order to do the content they'd prefer to (the Dungeons and Trial)?
And then there's definitely something to be said about making group content where grouping doesn't work as often as it should. Random groups can be hard to fill, especially if you're looking for specific things. Groups can fall apart quickly for a variety of reasons. Groups can be too weak and wipe repeatedly. Getting to a group that's further in can be impossible because of overtuned trash packs. Groups can consist of people in different factions but faction quests as I understand can't be shared to people in other factions. If the answer is going to be "just group" then grouping ACTUALLY needs to work and groups need to have an easier time at succeeding than it sounds like many have.
The biggest issue in regards to grouping seems to be trash being too strong, honestly. If you die and get separated from the group, it can result in not being able to get back to them. If the group is too far in you might not have any ability to even get to them. If enough people die and they get scattered around the map, people can wind up just giving up and the group winds up being too small to do much of anything else. Trash packs genuinely need to be tuned down to SOME degree so that getting to a group isn't so hard and getting separated from a group isn't so punishing.
Because as it stands, I 100% see the NM going to same route as big "group" things have time and again. Activity for a while after release, but then after a time too few people are doing the content for one reason or another and it gets to a point where a majority can't get a group together to run it. I would say it would be better to make things a bit more accessible so the NM actually sticks around for the long haul, then to keep it where it is and risk it vanishing after the initial three runs because interest and engagement dropped off too hard.
Arunei
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Re: Addressing U50 PTS Combat & Ability Concerns
Malevolent promise being "too oppressive" with corpseburster, but everyone having access to focused efforts via shattered signet mythic and creating a pvp ecosystem that is akin to an fps shooter is not oppressive?
Lord_Hev
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Re: Addressing U50 PTS Combat & Ability Concerns
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Touching on Necromancer first, we’ve seen folks looking for clarification on what the issue was with Malevolent Promise in PvP. The reason behind this change was specifically when it was paired with Corpseburster, it was doing insane damage in PvP – far higher than is fair, […]
Not trying to sound disrespectful but corro DKs are currently hitting in excess of 30k whips so define “fair”?
Poss
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Wildberryjack wrote: »The boxes we get for turning in the district side quests are not worth it. One piece of gear we don't want, that's it. Only 40 favor against the 10k we need total. Hardly worth it again. And the achievement for doing all those side quests is, well, nothing. Not even some little trophy to stick in our houses. Ugh. I don't expect some earth shattering reward for all this but at least make it worth our time. I guess my biggest problem is the various rewards don't equal the time involved in earning them. I really want the monster set so I'm trying to plow through as best I can but at this point I'm not having fun, it feels like a chore.
Certainly, I did the side dailies until reaching 10k since that's about 600 rep in addition to killing bosses, but after that the district dailies lose their value unless you want your faction to "win", but it kind of halts the game-play loop since there's not a whole lot to be gained by "winning."
On the one hand, this will allow me more time to focus on the next step, the dungeons. They won't mean much else though if the only reward is overland gear that is far more easily farmed in its original location.
Re: Addressing U50 PTS Combat & Ability Concerns
Dear ZOS Combat Balance team,
Judging from how the section on Werewolf is longer than everything else combined, I see that there has been a significant effort to address the issues around Werewolf.
You have probably already seen my video or many of my pvp CMX posts shared by various other testers here, which seemed to have caused quite a stir. I have refrained from commenting on any of the feedback threads so far, just simply providing the video and CMX evidence for others to make their own judgements, but I feel its about time I gave my own feedback.This will be my one and only post on the PTS feedback forums.
I am not sure where the notion of werewolf being "weaker than live" came from, but yes, the observation that Werewolves are dominating the damage parses is absolutely right. Are they better than everything else? No. Does that mean they're not strong enough? Absolutely not. You can easily achieve over 180k DPS, on a one bar build that requires little effort to use compared to traditional setups. Please show a LIVE werewolf parse that can do even HALF of that. For reference, just a year or two ago, 110-120k DPS was already considered top tier and more than enough for most serious end-game leaderboard content.
You guys are absolutely on the right track. Werewolf does benefit from a lot of overpowered things that everyone can use, sometimes these things benefit werewolf way more than other classes. So please consider this when addressing either the "overpowered things" or werewolf:
Are these things overpowered all across the board, not just on werewolf?
Yes -> You might want to address the thing itself.
No -> You might want to address werewolf or its interaction with said thing. Not restrict werewolf from using it.
You are absolutely right that werewolf, or anything for that matter, shouldn't be balanced in isolation. That's just a lazy bandaid fix that does not address the core issue and I am glad the devs are aware that it is a terrible decision.
Balancing around the ceiling more than the floor is how you ensure you don't end up with incredibly overpowered builds; pretty much every competitive game balances around what the top players can do, not what casuals are happy with. You do not design a bridge based on its average load, you design it based on the heaviest load it will realistically face.
Balancing around the floor is how you ensure the vast majority of players can still enjoy the game. The average player should be viable and still be able to feel effective even without optimising anything, but not overperform by default with low-effort play just because the skill floor is so high.
ESO isn't a competitive game and never will be, the vast majority of its player base is casual. But that doesn't mean we should balance around the floor. The ones who are going to suffer the most if overpowered broken builds are allowed rampant are ironically, the casuals themselves. It is good that the combat team recognises this and prioritise ceiling-based balance more.
The main reason why certain Classes feel terrible for werewolf is because hardly any of their passives / masteries are applicable in ww form. Any passive that requires something like "When you proc this passive that can only be procced by a class skill" is automatically useless because you cannot do that in werewolf form, while any passive that does not require a class specific proc condition retains its full power. If you truly want to balance Class Masteries for werewolf without straight up disabling them for werewolf (which would be a terrible idea for build diversity), then you need to change some of the proc conditions of these masteries.
Balancing PVE and PVP separately is something that should've been done a decade ago. You can never balance the both together. We are happy to see the effort being made.
Yes you did. Exceedingly much I would say. All you need to do to be tanky on werewolf now in PVP is stack into health, and you will have healing that rivals traditional burst heals ON A DAMAGE SPAMMABLE. And let's not forget that werewolf has practically infinite sustain now, with extremely cheap skills, a magicka heal that gives you back 6k stamina, and an ultimate that lets you cast everything for free for 50% of the time you're in form.
Yes, you do indeed need to pick the right morphs to be "tanky", but these same morphs also allow you do to an absurd amount of damage skill while being unkillable. And yes, it is absolutely unfair that this is possible.
As React has pointed out, I will be more than happy to demonstrate first-hand how absurdly overpowered Werewolf still is to any internal PVP playtester or anybody here who still has doubts about Werewolf's strength, feel free to contact me in DMs. I will also gladly assist the combat team in playtesting and combat balance in this respect, and answer any questions they have or conduct thorough testing however they wish.
As mentioned earlier, this will be my only post. I will only respond if a staff member responds.
Judging from how the section on Werewolf is longer than everything else combined, I see that there has been a significant effort to address the issues around Werewolf.
You have probably already seen my video or many of my pvp CMX posts shared by various other testers here, which seemed to have caused quite a stir. I have refrained from commenting on any of the feedback threads so far, just simply providing the video and CMX evidence for others to make their own judgements, but I feel its about time I gave my own feedback.This will be my one and only post on the PTS feedback forums.
To start things off, we’ve seen some general frustration that some of the Werewolf kit has been nerfed in PvE, leading to the skill line feeling like it is in a weaker state than what’s currently on live, to some. From what we have observed, Werewolves have been extremely strong on the PTS and have been dominating the damage parses.
I am not sure where the notion of werewolf being "weaker than live" came from, but yes, the observation that Werewolves are dominating the damage parses is absolutely right. Are they better than everything else? No. Does that mean they're not strong enough? Absolutely not. You can easily achieve over 180k DPS, on a one bar build that requires little effort to use compared to traditional setups. Please show a LIVE werewolf parse that can do even HALF of that. For reference, just a year or two ago, 110-120k DPS was already considered top tier and more than enough for most serious end-game leaderboard content.
In general, Werewolves also benefit from a lot of things that aren't exclusive to just the Werewolf, and we don’t want to balance the Werewolf in isolation where you only get buffs from one skill line. We feel doing so would create a stale experience where you don’t get to build-craft with the Werewolf like you can with other classes, and there’s already a limitation of having one skill line.
You guys are absolutely on the right track. Werewolf does benefit from a lot of overpowered things that everyone can use, sometimes these things benefit werewolf way more than other classes. So please consider this when addressing either the "overpowered things" or werewolf:
Are these things overpowered all across the board, not just on werewolf?
Yes -> You might want to address the thing itself.
No -> You might want to address werewolf or its interaction with said thing. Not restrict werewolf from using it.
You are absolutely right that werewolf, or anything for that matter, shouldn't be balanced in isolation. That's just a lazy bandaid fix that does not address the core issue and I am glad the devs are aware that it is a terrible decision.
It’s also worth mentioning that the way we balance is based around the “floor” and, more importantly, the “ceiling”. What this means is that when we are making adjustments, we consider if we can reduce the ceiling without harming the floor. In the specific case with Werewolf’s base damage, its floor is higher than most other builds and there isn’t as much wiggle room as there is with classes.
Balancing around the ceiling more than the floor is how you ensure you don't end up with incredibly overpowered builds; pretty much every competitive game balances around what the top players can do, not what casuals are happy with. You do not design a bridge based on its average load, you design it based on the heaviest load it will realistically face.
Balancing around the floor is how you ensure the vast majority of players can still enjoy the game. The average player should be viable and still be able to feel effective even without optimising anything, but not overperform by default with low-effort play just because the skill floor is so high.
ESO isn't a competitive game and never will be, the vast majority of its player base is casual. But that doesn't mean we should balance around the floor. The ones who are going to suffer the most if overpowered broken builds are allowed rampant are ironically, the casuals themselves. It is good that the combat team recognises this and prioritise ceiling-based balance more.
We’ve also seen some commentary that Werewolf continues to create some problem spaces with certain Class Mastery passives. What we can say is that some Class Masteries affect Werewolf in ways that we didn’t plan for, and this will be adjusted over time.
The main reason why certain Classes feel terrible for werewolf is because hardly any of their passives / masteries are applicable in ww form. Any passive that requires something like "When you proc this passive that can only be procced by a class skill" is automatically useless because you cannot do that in werewolf form, while any passive that does not require a class specific proc condition retains its full power. If you truly want to balance Class Masteries for werewolf without straight up disabling them for werewolf (which would be a terrible idea for build diversity), then you need to change some of the proc conditions of these masteries.
we do want there to be a healthy balance and that’s something we are experimenting with more, in particular around separating PvE from PvP scenarios. Doing this is something we haven’t done much in the past, and we do expect there to be some growing pains.
Balancing PVE and PVP separately is something that should've been done a decade ago. You can never balance the both together. We are happy to see the effort being made.
For those mentioning that Werewolf tanking and healing doesn’t feel like it’s been improved, we did buff defensive capabilities and gave more mitigation to make Werewolves tankier. You do need to pick the right morphs to get that harder-to-kill build, though, and you also need to pick one or the other. It’s not realistic or fair to make an unkillable build where you do a ton of damage and also heal yourself indefinitely; there needs to be a balance.
Yes you did. Exceedingly much I would say. All you need to do to be tanky on werewolf now in PVP is stack into health, and you will have healing that rivals traditional burst heals ON A DAMAGE SPAMMABLE. And let's not forget that werewolf has practically infinite sustain now, with extremely cheap skills, a magicka heal that gives you back 6k stamina, and an ultimate that lets you cast everything for free for 50% of the time you're in form.
Yes, you do indeed need to pick the right morphs to be "tanky", but these same morphs also allow you do to an absurd amount of damage skill while being unkillable. And yes, it is absolutely unfair that this is possible.
I mean this with no disrepsect what so ever. I invite whatever internal PVP playtester to come fight the 40-50k HP WW builds we have been testing and providing data for this PTS cycle. They absolutely are unkillable, do the highest possible DPS you can achieve in PVP, and heal themselves indefinitely with infinite sustain and extremely strong health-scaling heals. It's good that you acknowledge this is unfair because it absolutely is, but at the same time it's being allowed to go live in this state. Just very frustrating to see.
As React has pointed out, I will be more than happy to demonstrate first-hand how absurdly overpowered Werewolf still is to any internal PVP playtester or anybody here who still has doubts about Werewolf's strength, feel free to contact me in DMs. I will also gladly assist the combat team in playtesting and combat balance in this respect, and answer any questions they have or conduct thorough testing however they wish.
As mentioned earlier, this will be my only post. I will only respond if a staff member responds.
Pelican
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