xylena wrote: »

ArctosCethlenn wrote: »

I'm going to cry laughing if you mention master's dualwield.

Maybe Master 2H Axe would've been more to your liking. I used both together on NB for 2+ years before they deleted the playstyle. I enjoyed the aesthetics of matching the bleed mechanics to the class blood-fueled subtheme, and being able to add dot pressure without replacing class direct dmg skills (or wear proc sets) was efficient mechanical synergy.

The one shot assassin power fantasy will never be balanced outside Dark Brotherhood.

What are you talking about? One shot power fantasy? In NIGHTBLADE kit? Are we in 2018 or something? Literally any other class has better one shot potential in PVP right now. New DK has Flame Lash with 5 proc bow equivalents stacked, plus tons of delayed damage. Sorc has crystal frags + curse and now tons of damage thanks to Class Mastery. The only combo Nightblade has is Incap into Spectral, which is predictable and easiest to avoid out of all the combos.

If they're going to make Empower no longer usable in IC, they might as well un-nerf the destro staff passives and give lightning staves back their original theme.

Since we are making Werewolf Berserker bleed come down from the 4 seconds in PVE to the diminutive 1 second in PVP, could we simply replace this and find something more impactful for damage and thematic for a werewolf that is supposed to go on a rampage please? @ZOS_Kevin 1 second just seems not so noticeable at all I'm a afraid.

The recent nerfs really are missing the mark and I would suggest reverting them or coming up with alternative ideas and going back to the drawing board.

At this point I would rather have the werewolf kit on Live with the visuals and sound effects of the PTS.

This is a failure, werewolf players deserve better.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Pretty sure you're just theorycrafting out of pocket here.

Wait for the CMXs and actual data to come in before concluding that something is "dead".

Can you just not? Like actually just not? You got the equivalent of 'your word'. Haven't you wreaked enough damage with it? Why not use that effort and ~vocal~ prowess to also suggest ways to sidegrade werewolf power elsewhere that they can use it?

Listen to me, they took my berserker dot on live (where EVERYONE agrees werewolf is atrocious), nerfed its damage scaling by ~30% wep damage (and an amount for stam), made it 1 second in duration (a 75% percent nerf in duration), and then made it take a second to apply.

I want to say 'I feel like there isn't a reason to use berserker (the most iconic, bleed-centric, identifying version of werewolf) AT ALL in PvP anymore outside of a 1 v 1', where I can nearly-perfectly parse someone to death (and because sustain outside of a constant fight/with corspes is still RUFF)... BUT, I legitimately feel that if I say that I am REMOTELY serious, this team will simply find a reason to GUT Packleader there to somehow make it worse than berserker rather than undo ANY harm to the berserker itself.

It's going to REMAIN GOOD by whatever number you pull from thy cheek-a-lings in a duel because it STILL has access to SORC DAMAGE and SUSTAIN masteries that even SORC is overperforming with EVERYWHERE. I just HOPE this is somehow a 100 to 0, incredibly harsh gambit, where they are testing to see the impact of sorc masteries (because they nerfed Pyrebrand interaction with werewolf indirectly essentially so DK is no longer in the picture imo) and if they decide to 'flip them off' we can have some LOVE back elsewhere- but I'm sure I'm just being naive.

huskandhunger wrote: »

Since we are making Werewolf Berserker bleed come down from the 4 seconds in PVE to the diminutive 1 second in PVP, could we simply replace this and find something more impactful for damage and thematic for a werewolf that is supposed to go on a rampage please? @ZOS_Kevin 1 second just seems not so noticeable at all I'm a afraid.

The recent nerfs really are missing the mark and I would suggest reverting them or coming up with alternative ideas and going back to the drawing board.

At this point I would rather have the werewolf kit on Live with the visuals and sound effects of the PTS.

This is a failure, werewolf players deserve better.

Pretty sure you're just theorycrafting out of pocket here.

Wait for the CMXs and actual data to come in before concluding that something is "dead".

Ah, yes, the double challenges are indeed intended. There was a note about this during PTS 1, but because it requires unlocking the bonus pages, it wasn't really testable until PTS 3 when they unlocked the bonus page for the rollover test. And I just completely forgot reading that note during PTS 1.

With the next Weekly reset after reaching this, your new Weekly Challenges can be repeated twice as many times.

Okay, so with that context, the double challenges are totally fine since they're limited to the end of the season.

But even if we halve all the doubles and look at the base amount, some of them are still really grindy and requires significant effort and time and frankly feel like jobs.

30 lockpicks (the screenshot was not doubled) is still a lot. And even when the 150 pickpockets is halved to 75, that's still a crazy high number. Dynamic Encounters, which are less accessible require 12 (the doubled figure was 24) even though more readily accessible incursions need only 6 (12 was a doubled challenge).

Edit: I've also updated the original post to correctly note the doubling mechanism.

Oof...

I like the Challenges system since it gives me something to do, but I really think Endeavors were better. We got new tasks each day (so more variety over the week of tasks) and there were way more things in the pool.

But this? This has grind plastered all over it. I don't play this game to have a second job.

This just makes me more and more sure that the whole "we're trying to reduce FOMO" that we got in the reveal stream was code for "we'd like to reduce FOMO, but we're being told from above to increase it instead so that's what we're gonna do."

MashmalloMan wrote: »

@Tannus15 oh see but your mistake is you're trying to use 2 pets. Of course Arcanist and it's infinite cleave will deal more DPS you fool.

Be punished sir, how dare you use your class skills and masteries together.

This is the most pathetic thing about Sorc: you'll actually be penalized for using your class skill.

Use a class skill to deal damage? Sorry, because 40% of skills aren't Physical and Shock Damag, you won't get the full bonus. Want to use Sphere of Influence to provide shield to an ally? Oh, no way, because Sorc doesn't have any skills that actively provide shield to allies; your only Daedric Refuge requires the ally to willingly step on it to gain shield.

Want to use a pet or not? How dare you! Sets like Static Reverberatio, Expert Summoner, and Beacon of Oblivion are practically punishing all Sorc because of their use/lack of pets.

Want to be a Dark Magicka? You should be hanged. Because Dark Magic has almost no usable damage skills, and even useful disruption skills are rare.

The reality that everyone, including non-Sorc players, must now face is that before the U52 Sorc rework, Sorc was either too strong or too weak, making it difficult to achieve a balanced state. This is because Sorc has been ignored or even maliciously humiliated for the past ten years, occasionally receiving an overpowered buff, and then being completely nerfed to the point of being useless. Due to the split personality in the design, Sorc's design is like two opposing souls fighting.

Surge encourages Sorc to increase damage and Critical Chance to trigger healing, but many of Sorc's abilities have cast times or delays, such as Curse, Shattering Spines, and Crystal. Furthermore, until u47, Sorc's class abilities lacked Major Prophecy and Major Savagery, compared to Nightblades' Assassination passive, which has three abilities that increase the player's Critical Chance (Master Assassin, Pressure Points, and Hemorrhage).

Lightning Form and Streak attempt to make Sorc a highly mobile class, but because many Sorc abilities have cast times, and movement speed is reduced during cast times, this negates the supposed high mobility. Not to mention, other classes now have better sources of speed buffs, such as Bird of Prey and Concealed Weapon.

Expert Mage encourages players to equip more Sorc skills, but due to the lack of many Sorc buffs and its relative weakness compared to other skills of the same type, players often forgo equipping Sorc skills in favor of other class skills or even general skills. The only potential effective use of Expert Mage is through pet gameplay, as pets require at least six skill slots (two pets require four slots: Daedric Prey and Storm Atronach).

Energized encourages players to use Physical and Shock Damage, but in reality, over one-third of Sorc skills are neither Physical nor Shock, and all Dark Magie skills and Curse are not Physical or Shock damage. Therefore, it's difficult for Sorc to focus solely on enhancing a single elemental damage.

Amplitude and Twilight Tormentor attempt to make Sorc deal more damage to enemies with higher health, reducing their health enough for an execution, but the Warlock's execution skill is the worst of all classes, with a high skill delay and damage that doesn't scale with the target's health like other classes. In PvE, players are even reluctant to use the Twilight Tormentor because the extra damage it deals is extremely low, and using the skill can even result in a DPS loss.

Such contradictions permeate Sorc, making it a collection of contradictions with no unified design direction.

The only thing to look forward to now is the Sorc rework at the end of the year. Based on the development team's current performance, perhaps we will have a real chance to perfectly balance Sorc then, or at least achieve a balance that satisfies most players.