SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »Could keeping Vengeance 4 on live be viable?
Let's say, once V4 is on live in December, it remains accessible until after the V5 PTS testing. Then, if necessary, it goes down for a week or two to allow for adding new features.
Would it lead to an avalanche of support tickets about corrupted characters and items missing from inventories?
Would it make players complain about new features because they got used to a certain ruleset?
Would it trigger even more complaints about unbalanced classes and skills?
No. ZOS isn't going to support two different versions of cyodiil long term. They're just not going to. Sooner or later it will be one or the other, and vengeance isn't going to fly with the current PvP players, and the PvE players won't play vengeance either. They don't like PvP or they'd already be playing it.
Why is this so hard to understand for the vengeance supporters? This is why vengeance has to be opposed in every possible way at every opportunity.
Then why did so many PvE players who hate GreyHost played and enjoyed Vengeance?
Them not playing PvP doesn’t mean they do not like any PvP, only that they dislike current PvP. Otherwise „GreyHost players don‘t like PvP or they would play Vengeance“ would be true. Players just like different version of PvP.
There are quite a few current and a lot more former PvPer preferring Vengeance (but that probably autoturns them into nonPvPer).
Nobody wanting to play Vengeance is „hard to understand“for Vengeance supporters because they’re living prove it is not true.
Well, at least you are realizing that vengeance is popular with the PvE community. The PvP community almost without exception hates vengeance. People who like PvP are already playing PvP. Vengeance will not, ever, under any circumstances, bring new players to ESO. It will do the opposite. It will drive away the few PvP players left.
And to answer your question, the PvE players populated vengeance because there was an associated Golden Pursuit. Once they had their pursuit completed they left and never came back.
Realizing PvEr like it doesn’t mean PvPer do not.
Many players from both PvP and PvE clearly said they enjoyed Vengeance and not enjoy Grey Host. Many PvPer have stopped PvP because of issues nonexistent in Vengeance. Liking PvP doesn’t mean you like ballgroups, procsets, subclassing, metachasing or fights decided before they begin.
When PvEr miss out end of campaign reward they can also miss out golden pursuit giving only ap and gold. Golden pursuit can’t mobilize as many players as there were.
Does not playing Vengeance mean that you don’t like PvP because otherwise you would play Vengeance or does it mean you just do not like Vengeance? If it means you dislike only Vengeance and not all PvP than why does players not liking/playing Grey Host mean they dislike and won’t play Vengeance either?
(even when they said they like and play it)?
MorallyBipolar wrote: »
That's because you're not a PvP player.
The problem is that ZOS is acting like their intention is to make vengeance the only PvP option in Cyrodiil just like they made 2 team BG's the only option.
Kalevalatar wrote: »Still trying to get 3rd lead from West Weald for Ayleid Window. I was up to 2 leads year ago, after that nothing. I've collected hundreds of WW treasure maps. I've used maybe 200-300k archival fortunes to buy WW maps (they were on vendor earlier this year and again last week), I spent all my Telvars when the maps were on Imperial City vendor. I've bought them from players, gotten them as loot. I'd assume I've gone through at least 500-600 maps and no lead. In fact last week when I burnt through dozens of them, only lead I got was the damn grand tree.