BretonMage wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

So how exactly is using corpse abilities on a player any different from using them on an NPC or a Companion? Why is it suddenly an issue to do these things to fictional characters with no real emotion, when it's perfectly fine to do these things to player characters who are controlled by real life human beings?

Can you use that ability on a player? I don't think it's perfectly fine to use it on another player without asking, or without being grouped up at least.

Yes, you can use corpse abilities on slain players. You see this in PvP all the time. Requiring players to be grouped would mean we could never use corpse abilities on enemy players, which would not be a good change.

BretonMage wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

I look at this from a roleplaying perspective:

In ESO, you can murder innocent people, including sending their souls to the Void by using the Blade of Woe. You can cause horrible outcomes deliberately in some base game side quests, leading to the death of innocent people. You can steal. You can threaten and rob travelling merchants. You can raise the dead. You can generally use skills that count as a crime in Tamriel.

Also in other TES games, you could make horrible choices, if you think of some of the daedric quests in Skyrim, for example, including the ones for Namira (luring an Aedra priest into a lair of cannibals, sacrificing him and participating in the following feast) and Boethiah (sacrificing your companion at Boethiah's shrine).

Yup, you can do all those things which are seen as reprehensible, but it results in the death of the NPC. Which is part of the reason why a couple of us here are suggesting your companion should no longer be available to you after.

Also, take someone like Sharp. I think he would definitely want to leave if you did that to him. Probably Isobel as well.

The Companions are already dead by the point we would be able to use corpse abilities on them. Anything we could do to these Companions is undone when they revive, because there is no lasting effect from their death.

In other words, Companions should have no issue with what corpse abilities we use on them, because they're dead — and we're expected to be able to do those same abilities on them when they die again. We can use one corpse ability on a slain player each time they die; and when they die again, we get to use another corpse ability on them.

I look at this from a roleplaying perspective:

In ESO, you can murder innocent people, including sending their souls to the Void by using the Blade of Woe. You can cause horrible outcomes deliberately in some base game side quests, leading to the death of innocent people. You can steal. You can threaten and rob travelling merchants. You can raise the dead. You can generally use skills that count as a crime in Tamriel.

Also in other TES games, you could make horrible choices, if you think of some of the daedric quests in Skyrim, for example, including the ones for Namira (luring an Aedra priest into a lair of cannibals, sacrificing him and participating in the following feast) and Boethiah (sacrificing your companion at Boethiah's shrine).

Simply put: You can play a horrible/immoral/evil character. So why should you not be able to eat your dead companion if you choose to? That really doesn't sound any worse than the things player characters can already do in TES games.

I don't play any werewolves, by the way, and neither am I interested in harming the companions I use here. I just don't think what OP suggested is scandalous compared to other things possible in this game and other TES games.

BretonMage wrote: »

Being killed in combat and revived is a gameplay mechanic, yes. Feeding is a choice though.

In any case, there are issues that feeding on someone presents. To feed on a helpless companion without their consent should not be an option. Otoh, to have a companion who will consent to being literally ravaged and consumed is just, well, hmm.

Are we calling into question the morality of unsolicited use of corpse consuming abilities on slain characters?

Yes, I'm sure we all know that necromancy in general is bad. So is devouring the flesh of slain bodies. Though, I'm not sure how you'd rank the act of consecrating someone's soul.

Players don't ask these questions when given the choice to do these things to other players in the game because it's just a video game. I usually Devour other players before reviving them, because I want more time in Werewolf Transformation. I love using Repentance because it's a free emergency sustain and crossheal ability. And I get extra penetration when I'm using Detonating Siphon via the Dismember passive.

So how exactly is using corpse abilities on a player any different from using them on an NPC or a Companion? Why is it suddenly an issue to do these things to fictional characters with no real emotion, when it's perfectly fine to do these things to player characters who are controlled by real life human beings?

BretonMage wrote: »

You should lose the companion that you feed on. No one should have to put up with being eaten (can't believe I have to spell out the obvious). Also, lore-wise, they're not like a player, who's a vestige, when you feed on them, they die. It's not like a vampire, who can just drain a little blood.

Why is it that Companions can be revived with Soul Gems? They're not the Vestige, so the reason has to be about gameplay mechanics. Yet, certain Companions will have dialogue when you revive them, meaning that their death and resurrection is canonical. Also, how can a Companion just revive on the spot after combat ends? This is an inconsistency that, ultimately, doesn't mean much.

It shouldn't matter if the player consecrates the Companion's soul (via Repentance) or siphons the life from their corpse (via Restoring Tether) or devours their corpse, if there is no consequence to the Companion dying in the first place. Their body and soul do not change whatsoever.

So, in an effort to make Companions more consistent with the combat system, their bodies should be eligible for use with corpse consuming abilities, up until the point where they are revived. That's how it works for players.

We bring up finishing hybridisation every update and there was a “we’re doing pots soon!” And then nothing and just now this response.

It’s been 4 years.
16 updates, 4 of them chapter size. I think the part of the community that cares about such things is entitled to be a bit fed up and hostile now

i11ionward wrote: »

Hi @ZOS_Kevin ,
I shared this idea in the survey, but I also wanted to bring it up here.

Has the development team ever considered running a Closed Beta Test (CBT) before launching the PTS for a new update? As we all know, by the time the PTS goes live, many of the changes are already finalized for the live release, which means there’s usually little room to make meaningful adjustments during the PTS cycle. Because of this, a lot of feedback from the PTS may end up being overlooked simply due to time constraints.

What if, before opening the PTS, there was a CBT with invited players—experienced and respected members of the ESO community—who could provide more objective feedback and suggestions on the new content? That way, the dev team would have more time to react and make adjustments before the PTS phase.

What do you think about this idea?

This was part of my feedback in the survey as well (well not specifically a closed beta test), but at least running the PTS for longer to allow the team more time to look at, consider and potentially implement changes given in feedback that is given on the PTS (and on the PTS section of the forums here).

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi everyone! We put together a short survey to help us better understand ESO Public Test Server (PTS) participation, and how we can improve the overall experience. This survey will be open until the end of September 25. We’d love to hear from you even if you’ve never participated in the ESO PTS. Thank you in advance for sharing your thoughts with us!

Link to the survey: https://beth.games/46niSAe

Thanks for posting this survey, I have left my feedback as well, mostly to add to what others have already mentioned here.

I just want to also add my voice, that there are some players and content creators who are extremely dedicated to ESO that would be well worth sitting down with and having an open and honest talk with them on some topics.

As @Destai mentioned above, I believe @skinnycheeks has offered in the past to sit down with the team and discuss many things about ESO in-depth (most recently gear sets) and it would be a shame to see such an easy win for the team in terms of creating an (open and honest) discussion on multiple topics with respected and knowledgeable members of the community go to waste.

In the past there were other respected content creators who also offered to sit down with ESO staff (dev team, and/or community managers) and have an open and honest but also fair and respectful discussion about ESO about various topics, yet those interviews/discussions never eventuated/got cancelled, despite being such an awesome way for ZOS to reach out to the community in regards to very big issues within the game at those times. I would hate to see ZOS fumble this same opportunity again, especially since it is such a easy win not only for ESO, but for ZOS as well, especially to see things from the discussion be allowed to be shared with the community.

Ilumia wrote: »

I guess the spirit of this thing is to remind us that in spite of complaints making up the majority of the forum, that does not mean the majority of the playtime is spent feeling down about the various issues (although sometimes that will be the case). The reason we complain is that we care enough to wish for changes and improvements.
But with dungeon runs there's a new thread about fake roles regularly - mind you, fake roles can absolutely present a problem - and though it is a real issue sometimes, it still doesn't happen more than the good experiences in runs - so thanks for also taking initiative to talk about the truly awesome experiences.
I have so mamy of those in eso through meeting fantastic people. I am not always in a good place (mostly since my house burned down, and other disasters like a long illness and loved people suddenly dying). But those great experiences that often arise because of people, I share with really funny, genuine or nice people and they are extra important because they remind me of how good people actually can be, and how good I can be, and it just warms and gives much needed hope.

I agree.
Forum is also meant for bringing up issues, like fake roles, which is a real problem, one that is persistent and very annoying indeed.
So there’s nothing wrong with coming here to complain.
It becomes a problem when players only ever post about negative experiences with either the game or the devs. That projects a picture of a game broken beyond hope which simply isn’t true.
We should have more courage to share our great experiences here as well, to encourage newcomers and to break this vicious circle of negativity.