I'm glad you're doing something but it still doesn't fix the fundamental problem I had trying to play with a 2-hander in PVP, which is that I had to choose between doing damage and dodging, blocking, escaping CC and sprinting. Magicka/staff users get to dodge roll, cc break, block and sprint all they want without draining the resource they need to continue doing damage. Nothing I've read here changes that.

Zerikin wrote: »

Flurry needs a fundamental change. You can do just as much damage by doing light attacks over the duration. The rapid strikes speed buff also starts when the skill activates meaning you get almost no usable duration for the attack speed buff.

Id have to disagree, PVPwise flurry does alot of damage to my targets, much more than light attacks. I also have 51% crit change and Hundingtons Rage bonus. I also use suprise attack to lower the targets armor by 40% so that helps.

I also use the other morph to set the targets off balance. 1 out of 2 chains always does it and it allows for a heavy attack to hit really hard and knock the target down

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Zerikin wrote: »

Flurry needs a fundamental change. You can do just as much damage by doing light attacks over the duration. The rapid strikes speed buff also starts when the skill activates meaning you get almost no usable duration for the attack speed buff.

My biggest beef with Flurry is that in order to get the most out of it I have to stand there doing little baby attacks while my opponent smacks me in the face if I want the big hit to land at the end. If I interrupt the series of little attacks (to defend myself) I can basically kiss that Stamina goodbye.

Basically makes it a very niche skill, only useful for attacking enemies which are already stunned or debuffed in some way.

Or being tanked by someone else. From the rear. Like a rogue.

Also, am I the only one who would prefer to still have the range on Snipe? The cast time doesn't seem to me to be the issue.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Cost of what? Everything?
Is this on top of the 2% Regen? Or instead of?

This is on top of the 2% Stamina regen, and the 2% stamina cost reduction is for all abilities that cost stamina (per piece equipped, so a total of 14% possible stamina cost reduction.)

Oh, nice.
Thanks for that.

Denaia wrote: »

Glad to see somechanges BUT I don't think that the current changes will suffice. The damage increase is too low to make stamina worthwhile and heavy armor is still as *** as it was before. Besides that I don't think 2% stamina cost reduction for medium armor will do much.

It's a start, but sadly not enough for my liking.

The 2% per piece, total 14% plus weapon reduction should be more than enough. At least see how it feels first. At least it is a step in the correct direction

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Who do you think is gonna be the 1st idiot to complain Light Armor gets a 3% cost reduction per item versus Mediums 2% per? lol

Apparently you.

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Im thinking Reverse Slash needs 15% base damage increase then maybe slight cost increase as well.

It is an executioner ability, simular to NB assassin's blade or sorcerer mages fury. Cheap and spammable, does ok damage until target is low health. If you alter the ability by increasing the damage and cost, it changes the intent of the ability from an executioner spam or a normal damage ability.

nudel wrote: »

Most complaints from Stam users include some variation of 'why are there so many fingers in our resource pool?'

Often people suggest just removing all defensive abilities from the Stamina pool. This is not something ZOS should do because such a change would inadvertently buff Magicka users. Instead of having a Stam pool that they had to split between 1-2 Stamina feats AND defensive abilities, they'd just have an entire new pool for damage.

If you keep them in the Stamina pool, but give every Stamina based weapon a passive that reduces the cost of defensive abilities (blocking, dodging, cc break, interrupt) by a hefty amount, then casters will still function in the same way but Stam users will be able to use their bar for more damage or more mobility/ utility. Alternatively, you could put this on Medium/ Heavy armor. The important part is not to make it a wholesale reduction in cost because that will buff all the casters as well.

Same goes for Stamina feat cost reduction. Make it a weapon skill passive which requires ___insert non-staff here____ to be equipped in order to work. Otherwise you're exponentially increasing the dps of any caster who slots even a single Stamina ability.

I don't think casters need nerfing. Stamina skills and weapons just need to be brought more in line with the damage and utility of magicka.

Exactly.

Tweaking a few skills is not the best way to go about solving a problem that is not about individual skills, but about the fundamental ways the game works.

Buffing some Stamina skills will not do anything to make the other stamina skills viable; it will just foster 'flavor-of-the-month' builds. People will choose the few useful stamina skills and pass all the other useless ones, leaving the fundamental inequalities between magicka and stamina unaddressed.

What is needed is general improvement that addresses the fundamental inequalites themselves.

Still quite bad for Nightblades.

In PvP you mostly use Magicka skills (Suprise attack/Concealed, Cloak and Impale)
In PvE, if your a melee ST nigthblade, you use maybe one more stamina based skill.

So this will mainly affect bow Nigthblades.
Melee nigthblades still needs alot of tweaking of its class skills.

As proven in other topics, Nightblade class skills does less dmg, sometimes only half the dmg, of other comparable weapon skills, like Suprise attack vs Cleave.

Overall, its again another step in the right direction. no matter how extreme I think they need to adjust stamina based skillsets, a little bit of positive at a times is better then no positive. This is moving in the right direction.

All the additions are beneficial and needed. But I will reiterate what many have said...it's still not enough. It's GOOD, but not quite there. And I hope it comes soon...I honestly don't think the game has enough time to sit back idly on certain areas of development, and dealing with the severe stamina imbalance is one of those areas.

even if stamina and magick skills and passives were exactly equal, STAMINA SKILLS WOULD STILL BE BEHIND BY A LARGE MARGIN. when you have to use half of your resources during a fight just to stay alive, you are severely cutting down your ability to....well...survive.

I agree with the idea of giving melee weapon users passives to reduce stamina cost of mitigation abilities. This is critical to the overall balance of the skill trees.

A simple fix would be to take the cost reduction from medium armor and the cost reduction from the individual skill trees and apply it to the cost of mitigation mechanics as well. simple and easy.

On a few specific notes:

Bow - We could still use some love in the area of short cast skills that can put out some damage. i really hate having to use Magnum shot as a DPS "filler" as it has a tendency to knock you INTO bad areas as well as out of them.

Perhaps a passive or a morph for Snipe that gives our Poison arrow DoT a chance to reduce the cast timer on it to zero? similar to the sorcs morph for crystal shard. keep the stamina cost so there's a price to pay...but being able to, on average of once per mob, throw out an instant snipe would be awesome. and its base damage isn't so high that the idea is overpowered...really. it does on average (i.e. no sneak snipe bonus) about as much as my sorcs crystal shard...and doesn't even knock them down. So IMO this is a very reasonable change.

Denaia wrote: »

I forget to add it in my first post; what is going to happen for us heavy armor-dps users? As it is decent enough to use, but certainly not as good as using medium (after changes) or light armor. I would like to see heavy armor becoming a bit more viable for those who wish to melee-dps with it.

IMO, heavy armor as well as 1h/shield shouldn't yield as much damage oriented buffs as medium/light. Heavy armor exists because of it's increased defenses, same with 1h/shield. To expect something with increased defenses to have the same offensive output as something with less defenses is silly to me.

While I recognize this isn't necessarily what you expect or were implying, Denaia. I'm just using your comment as a vehicle to state my belief that someone who chooses to invest in some heavy armor shouldn't be absolutely crippled as a damage user, but should certainly give up some of that damage potential for a more defensive armor type. So I do agree with you to an extent.

Unfortunately one could argue light armor has enough defenses to make this all a moot point, but I think that was unintended and will be scaled down soon enough. My overall point is this:

Sure you should be able to go pvp as a melee or even caster in heavy armor and be effective due to your increased defenses and not have absolute crap offenses if you choose to use an offensive weapon.

However that by no means should go so far as to make heavy armor do the same or similar dps as the two dps oriented armor trees, light/medium, since the game works under the assumption that these two armor trees are less defensive, even though in the current state of the game that might not be the case(yet).

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

grizzbi wrote: »

Interesting. thanks for the update.

- I like the poison arrow change: overall, all the dots need more love (duration, amount, stacking mechanics etc..)

- Medium armor Wind walker passive: 3% would have been better..maybe..We'll see.

- Two handed: uppercuts changes are interesting. More burst damage.. In line with people expectations..

Do you have plan to change the overall stamina mechanics? soft caps, attributes bonus, weapon damage scaling/increase?

Wind Walker COULD be 2/4 % ON TOP of the 20% you get from weapons

You must really be afraid of an even playing field. While I agree with the 1% & 2% increase. 4% would be too much. A sarcastic comment like that when gets 21% ON TOP of the class passives or mage guild passives that reduce magicka costs makes you look incredibly bias. If you are going to start pulling numbers to prove your point you need to make sure you include all the numbers, not just the ones that support your point. Why are you so afraid of balance?