Improvements for Stamina-Based Skills and Passives

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Bow: Poison Arrow

• Poison Arrow’s damage-over-time has been increased by 50% overall.

Bow: Snipe

• Snipe’s cast time will be reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
• Snipe’s maximum range will be reduced from 40 meters to 35 meters.
• Snipe’s minimum range will be reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters.

Dual Wield: Flurry

• The damage for Flurry’s final hit will be increased by 10%.

Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Two Handed: Cleave

• Cleave’s damage-over-time will be increased by 25% overall, and scale as the ability ranks up.

Two Handed: Uppercut

• Uppercut’s damage will be increased by 10%.
• Uppercut’s global cooldown after use will be reduced by 50%.

Denaia

Glad to see somechanges BUT I don't think that the current changes will suffice. The damage increase is too low to make stamina worthwhile and heavy armor is still as *** as it was before. Besides that I don't think 2% stamina cost reduction for medium armor will do much.

It's a start, but sadly not enough for my liking.

Erock25

There needs to be a way for stam users to regen stam over long boss fights. Magicka users heavily rely on equilibrium and stam users have no such option. Evil hunter only works on fighter guild targets. As a stamina focused sorc, I have zero stam regen options for boss fights. Whirlwind regen is only significant in aoe situations and the damage is terrible above 25%hp. The 2h passive relies on killing blows. We need a way to manage stamina or you need to buff basic light/ heavy melee attacks because we are forced to use them because out of stamina.

Shaun98ca2

WOW color me SHOCKED there is MORE Stamina reduction cost on TOP of the 20% you already get from melee weapons WOW. Medium Armor is going to rock.

Darzil

With bow at Veteran Ranks, my gut feeling is:
Medium Armour change looks good.
Snipe is probably good at pvp, but would still be usually only used once in pve so probably still not worth using.
Poison Arrow is for spell interruption/off-balance, situationally, when the CC breaking of dots doesn't matter. This change won't change that.

Tiberius_

I like to see progress on this front, but as others have stated, there is still a long way to go.

One of the things that makes magic-based skills so much better is not simply their damage, but also their utility

Really all the skills with interesting effects are magicka-based. DK pulls, sorc teleports, NB invis, DK spell reflect... All are magicka based. (I know sword and shield has a reflect skill, but it's not nearly as good as the DK reflect skill, since the 1H-shield skill has to be recast after each reflected spell)

The point is you can make stamina builds much more appealing by adding useful stamina-based utility skills.

Edit: fixed some typos

Shaun98ca2

Who do you think is gonna be the 1st idiot to complain Light Armor gets a 3% cost reduction per item versus Mediums 2% per? lol

Shaun98ca2

Tiberius_ wrote: »

I like to see progress on this front, but as others have stated, there is still a long way to go.

One of the things that makes magic-based skills so much better is not simply their damage, but also their utility

Really all the skills with interesting effects are magicka-based. DK pulls, sorc teleports, NB invis, DK spell reflect... All are magicka based. (I know sword and shield has a reflect skill, but it's not nearly as good as the DK reflect skill, since the 1H-shield skill has to be recast after each reflected spell)

The point is you can make stamina builds much more appealing by adding useful stamina-based utility skills.

Edit: fixed some typos

You know Stamina builds can still use that same utility that Magicka users use right?

kewl

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options.

First a Templar update, now this! A fantastic trend. Thank you again.

shad0w18

/nerdgasm

Edit:
Wish they would look at increased initial damage for Flurry, too. Oh, and Blood Craze. Scale back the bleed DoT and more upfront damage. The DoT is already abysmal is is really only for pulling out NBs out of stealth And bump Sparks by +1 and/or 2 sec.

Hurray for the start of the Great Stamina Revolution!

Erock25

Tiberius_ wrote: »

I like to see progress on this front, but as others have stated, there is still a long way to go.

One of the things that makes magic-based skills so much better is not simply their damage, but also their utility

Really all the skills with interesting effects are magicka-based. DK pulls, sorc teleports, NB invis, DK spell reflect... All are magicka based. (I know sword and shield has a reflect skill, but it's not nearly as good as the DK reflect skill, since the 1H-shield skill has to be recast after each reflected spell)

The point is you can make stamina builds much more appealing by adding useful stamina-based utility skills.

Edit: fixed some typos

You have to be careful with this though because you could give magicka builds some very nice stam dumps. With a stam build, I like having utility skills cost magicka.

Shaun98ca2

Im thinking Reverse Slash needs 15% base damage increase then maybe slight cost increase as well.

Turelus

Pretty disappointed to see nothing for Heavy Armour in the first announcement.
I guess I'll wait longer.

Some nice little tweaks though, keep looking into it.

Matuzes

Question: Wind Walker give 1/2% per piece or 2/4% per item equipped?
Snipe change is good, but rest ... its joke i hope. How poor skill changes to poor skills makes them better? Flurry 10% damage increase its like 20-30 more damage, and you needed so much time to show us this?

Shaun98ca2

matprzewlokaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Question: Wind Walker give 1/2% per piece or 2/4% per item equipped?
Snipe change is good, but rest ... its joke i hope. How poor skill changes to poor skills makes them better? Flurry 10% damage increase its like 20-30 more damage, and you needed so much time to show us this?

Windwalker will give 2% per piece cost reduction.

Erock25

Something else I feel strongly about is that medium's crit passive should be both physical AND spell crit. If you want to use stam weapons, you basically have to use medium armor, and if you use medium armor you need to focus on physical crit class abilities to complement your dps. Problem is Sorc have no physical crit class abilities so I'm basically locked out of any non-weapon ability means of damage. It really limits build potential.

Adding spell crit to medium will not affect magicka builds at all. They'll still prefer light armor for the other magicka passives. All this will do is help stam/med builds immensely and that is the point of these changes.

Please consider.

NerfEverything

And just like that NBs become the most powerful class in PvP by far.

It sucks that it is going to be nearly impossible to balance PvP and PvE since Zen refuses to separate PvE and PvP stats like every other MMORPG that has figured out how to balance them.

Shaun98ca2

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

matprzewlokaeb17_ESO wrote: »

Question: Wind Walker give 1/2% per piece or 2/4% per item equipped?
Snipe change is good, but rest ... its joke i hope. How poor skill changes to poor skills makes them better? Flurry 10% damage increase its like 20-30 more damage, and you needed so much time to show us this?

Windwalker will give 2% per piece cost reduction.

OOPs I see what your asking its probably 1/2

shad0w18

NerfEverything wrote: »

And just like that NBs become the most powerful class in PvP by far.

It sucks that it is going to be nearly impossible to balance PvP and PvE since Zen refuses to separate PvE and PvP stats like every other MMORPG that has figured out how to balance them.

I don't understand this comment why it was directed at NBs only, considering every class has access to all these skills

Ragnar_Lodbrok

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Bow: Poison Arrow

• Poison Arrow’s damage-over-time has been increased by 50% overall.

Bow: Snipe

• Snipe’s cast time will be reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
• Snipe’s maximum range will be reduced from 40 meters to 35 meters.
• Snipe’s minimum range will be reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters.

Dual Wield: Flurry

• The damage for Flurry’s final hit will be increased by 10%.

Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Two Handed: Cleave

• Cleave’s damage-over-time will be increased by 25% overall, and scale as the ability ranks up.

Two Handed: Uppercut

• Uppercut’s damage will be increased by 10%.
• Uppercut’s global cooldown after use will be reduced by 50%.

Nothing about fixing 1h & s? Nothing about nerfing stick and skirts? No fixes to why heavy armor is absolutely useless? You guys are useless, zenimax

grizzbi

Interesting. thanks for the update.

- I like the poison arrow change: overall, all the dots need more love (duration, amount, stacking mechanics etc..)

- Medium armor Wind walker passive: 3% would have been better..maybe..We'll see.

- Two handed: uppercuts changes are interesting. More burst damage.. In line with people expectations..

Do you have plan to change the overall stamina mechanics? soft caps, attributes bonus, weapon damage scaling/increase?

Erock25

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Bow: Poison Arrow

• Poison Arrow’s damage-over-time has been increased by 50% overall.

Bow: Snipe

• Snipe’s cast time will be reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
• Snipe’s maximum range will be reduced from 40 meters to 35 meters.
• Snipe’s minimum range will be reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters.

Dual Wield: Flurry

• The damage for Flurry’s final hit will be increased by 10%.

Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Two Handed: Cleave

• Cleave’s damage-over-time will be increased by 25% overall, and scale as the ability ranks up.

Two Handed: Uppercut

• Uppercut’s damage will be increased by 10%.
• Uppercut’s global cooldown after use will be reduced by 50%.

Nothing about fixing 1h & s? Nothing about nerfing stick and skirts? No fixes to why heavy armor is absolutely useless? You guys are useless, zenimax

Didn't you already quit seven times over? This is just their first set of ideas as stated in the OP.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Shaun98ca2

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Bow: Poison Arrow

• Poison Arrow’s damage-over-time has been increased by 50% overall.

Bow: Snipe

• Snipe’s cast time will be reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
• Snipe’s maximum range will be reduced from 40 meters to 35 meters.
• Snipe’s minimum range will be reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters.

Dual Wield: Flurry

• The damage for Flurry’s final hit will be increased by 10%.

Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Two Handed: Cleave

• Cleave’s damage-over-time will be increased by 25% overall, and scale as the ability ranks up.

Two Handed: Uppercut

• Uppercut’s damage will be increased by 10%.
• Uppercut’s global cooldown after use will be reduced by 50%.

Nothing about fixing 1h & s? Nothing about nerfing stick and skirts? No fixes to why heavy armor is absolutely useless? You guys are useless, zenimax

So you rather they NOT implement these fixes till they address the issues YOU stated NEED to be fixed?

Shaun98ca2

grizzbi wrote: »

Interesting. thanks for the update.

- I like the poison arrow change: overall, all the dots need more love (duration, amount, stacking mechanics etc..)

- Medium armor Wind walker passive: 3% would have been better..maybe..We'll see.

- Two handed: uppercuts changes are interesting. More burst damage.. In line with people expectations..

Do you have plan to change the overall stamina mechanics? soft caps, attributes bonus, weapon damage scaling/increase?

Wind Walker COULD be 2/4 % ON TOP of the 20% you get from weapons

Tiberius_

grizzbi wrote: »

Do you have plan to change the overall stamina mechanics? soft caps, attributes bonus, weapon damage scaling/increase?

Yes... fantastic idea! Just increase the effect that stamina pool size has on damage, and that will make stamina much more desirable.

Shaun98ca2

Tiberius_ wrote: »

grizzbi wrote: »

Do you have plan to change the overall stamina mechanics? soft caps, attributes bonus, weapon damage scaling/increase?

Yes... fantastic idea! Just increase the effect that stamina pool size has on damage, and that will make stamina much more desirable.

ACTUALLY it would be nice if points into Magicka/Stamina/Health game more of a boon for putting points into the pool, like points in Stamina increasing Weapon Damage(if it does I have NO idea).

A person with 50 points in Stamina SHOULD be different than a person with 50 points in Health and slots Stamina enchantments.

Durham

Raise Armor caps so that heavy is not punished for making blue armor....

Raise Armor 10% it should give more then Leather lol....

Heavy needs blocking increased to 30 at the min..... Blocking and taunting is crazy with more then 3 mobs are on you... taunt damage can be reduced to make this more fair....

Scrap health reduction or do something with it ... its next to worthless.... I would rather have bonus health with the health cap increased again ...Maybe a bonus to healing ..... Maybe a smaller endo regen or something

Change Immovable so that you have to have 2-5 pieces of heavy armor on....

On medium I think it is fine maybe a 10% damage bonus thrown in there also... keep in mind these guys are going to be weak to magic damage....

Cogo

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!


Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Thanks a lot for the update Jessica! A lot of us are really happy about the communication with us.

As a DK, heavy tank, who uses 2 pieces of medium armor, for just this stamina ability. Please do not increase it more. It works, even at Vet levels.
We tanks, just need to control our stamina use, instead of being used to always have it.

I can not speak for any other build, then my tanking role.

That said, there might be worth too look at as a general skill for all kinds of builds. This I have no opinion of.

Medium armor stamina skills work fine for tanks.

With food buffs, gear traits, enchants, mondus stone effects and potions. Stamina for tanks, even at vet level works great. The "Fix" is learning stamina control.

Cogo

Turelus wrote: »

Pretty disappointed to see nothing for Heavy Armour in the first announcement.
I guess I'll wait longer.

Some nice little tweaks though, keep looking into it.

I am curious.

For heavy tanks, there is NO problem with heavy armor.

This is a serious and nice question, so please take it as such.

What is the problem about heavy armor for other builds then Tanks?

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Erock25 wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Bow: Poison Arrow

• Poison Arrow’s damage-over-time has been increased by 50% overall.

Bow: Snipe

• Snipe’s cast time will be reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
• Snipe’s maximum range will be reduced from 40 meters to 35 meters.
• Snipe’s minimum range will be reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters.

Dual Wield: Flurry

• The damage for Flurry’s final hit will be increased by 10%.

Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Two Handed: Cleave

• Cleave’s damage-over-time will be increased by 25% overall, and scale as the ability ranks up.

Two Handed: Uppercut

• Uppercut’s damage will be increased by 10%.
• Uppercut’s global cooldown after use will be reduced by 50%.

Nothing about fixing 1h & s? Nothing about nerfing stick and skirts? No fixes to why heavy armor is absolutely useless? You guys are useless, zenimax

Didn't you already quit seven times over? This is just their first set of ideas as stated in the OP.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Name one post where I said I quit. Hope you got a 3 day ban with your moderation

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Bow: Poison Arrow

• Poison Arrow’s damage-over-time has been increased by 50% overall.

Bow: Snipe

• Snipe’s cast time will be reduced from 3 seconds to 2 seconds.
• Snipe’s maximum range will be reduced from 40 meters to 35 meters.
• Snipe’s minimum range will be reduced from 20 meters to 10 meters.

Dual Wield: Flurry

• The damage for Flurry’s final hit will be increased by 10%.

Medium Armor

• With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Two Handed: Cleave

• Cleave’s damage-over-time will be increased by 25% overall, and scale as the ability ranks up.

Two Handed: Uppercut

• Uppercut’s damage will be increased by 10%.
• Uppercut’s global cooldown after use will be reduced by 50%.

Nothing about fixing 1h & s? Nothing about nerfing stick and skirts? No fixes to why heavy armor is absolutely useless? You guys are useless, zenimax

So you rather they NOT implement these fixes till they address the issues YOU stated NEED to be fixed?

Id rather they include fixes to 1h and S (which is broke beyond broke to nerfs) and to heavy armor which is atm completely worthless. Basically all they are doing is showing love to medium armor builds. ZOS hates tanking.