If you think the boost is not being applied, you should mention that in the feedback thread.

Yeah I personally don't like this either.

Enough random people have and use RM that I can move around with it a fair amount of the time. Now ONLY if I am grouped with them do I get this bonus? I APPRECIATE when others cast it while I'm in the area.

I do know there is a very small percentage that, for whatever reason, do not like it. While i don't get it, I shouldn't have to be subjected to the will of a small number of people against a power that is doing a GREATER good for the masses. All Zenimax has to do however if you do not want is is to install a simple button right under "helmet on/off" that allows you to toggle on or off the automatic acceptance of extraneous buffs.

I use rapid for stealth speed also, it seems normal to me.

By normal I mean I can feel the 10% speed los over live, but I did feel I got a 30% boost.

Maybe you buffed/healed someone by accident and lost it?

OK did a quick recording on each to get time markers and ran the exact same path on both live and PTS to get a comparison.

Live Route:
21 seconds without RM
14 seconds with RM

PTS:
21 seconds without RM
18 seconds with RM

Its been a while since I done this kind of math so you folks can correct me if I missed something.

Live 14/21=0.66666 100-66.66= 33.34% boost
PTS 18/21=0.8571 100-85.71=14.29% boost

dsalter wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

OK did a quick recording on each to get time markers and ran the exact same path on both live and PTS to get a comparison.

Live Route:
21 seconds without RM
14 seconds with RM

PTS:
21 seconds without RM
18 seconds with RM

Its been a while since I done this kind of math so you folks can correct me if I missed something.

Live 14/21=0.66666 100-66.66= 33.34% boost
PTS 18/21=0.8571 100-85.71=14.29% boost

sprinting or no sprinting?

no sprinting on either

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

im very very angry about this
Very Angry
when i travel it is in pure stealth and sneak. i was using speed boosts to try and keep up with people but it was too weak, so i allways showed up to castle fights WAY late but atleast i made it in time for a few fights.
but now with this new change ill be even SLOWER!

the devs keep messing with speed in eso and taking away peoples speed and you will one day see no more people playing eso.
nightblade massively depends on speed. and with this change i will now be perminantly stop playing my nightblade untill we get faster sneak speeds.

"reduced speeds from 40% to 30% with all major speed boosts"

i am now playing my dragonight untill the speeds are put back and even raised higher.

Why don't you mount up and stay with the group like everyone else? So you are mad that you cannot stay in sneak the entire time in pvp....... Wth

Does it not make logical sense that a player sneaking should have drastically slower speed.

I think in addition to changing RM's speed increase to 30% from 40% they slowed down the walking animation so it makes it feel slower than it actually is. I did some tests with Live/PTS side-by-side and its definitely noticeable.

I also did some quick speed walking tests with/without RM on Live/PTS and came up with:

• Live
• Walking = 33 secs
• RM = 28 secs
• PTS
• Walking = 34 secs (identical within measurement error)
• RM = 25 secs (-11%)

So my very quick test shows it to be roughly matching the 10% decrease in speed. Doing a longer test in a straight line would give you more accurate results if you wanted to do them. I tried doing the same test when running but I don't have any stamina characters so can't run more than a 5-10 seconds at a time.

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

Hopefully someone can answer this for me. On the pts, if you cast dark cloak while the speed buff from rapid maneuvers is active, does the speed buff go away? It did previously, but only if you were in combat or seen by an enemy. Thank you.

Notice the difference in the last part of the tool tip in the pics I posted above. So I'd say yes.

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Not to hijack the thread but......anyone not happy with the fact they changed the wording from, "you and your ALLIES" to, "you and your GROUP"?

Meaning, if you are now not grouped with the caster, you will get no buff.

I think this was done to combat lag in Cyrodiil and stop the buffs from applying to zergs who don't group.

Edit: it would get rid of a bunch of buff combinations the server has to keep up with. now it can keep up with one group at a time. (If it works as intended)

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

chaserstorm16909 wrote: »

Hopefully someone can answer this for me. On the pts, if you cast dark cloak while the speed buff from rapid maneuvers is active, does the speed buff go away? It did previously, but only if you were in combat or seen by an enemy. Thank you.

Notice the difference in the last part of the tool tip in the pics I posted above. So I'd say yes.

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! I have no use for this skill now. I used to use it with dark cloak and concealed weapon to move 65% faster while invisible.

I've not tested it, this is just a guess based off of what I have read. Someone else will have to confirm or deny.

all sprint speeds were reduced by 10% all major expedition nerfed by 10%... everyone is a little slower now.... it's in the patch notes...

Prothwata wrote: »

all sprint speeds were reduced by 10% all major expedition nerfed by 10%... everyone is a little slower now.... it's in the patch notes...

I didn't use sprint. One thing is for certain, they are misleading on their tool tips of what a buff is.

40% to 30% is a 25% reduction in buff. 6 seconds to 3 seconds in my example is a 50% reduction in buff.

I don't think they're changing major expedition to make zones seem bigger; that would be based on an assumption that all corporations are out to get you, imo. From a perspective of balancing, or just the other end of the spectrum, decreasing major expedition to 30% makes having a horse, sprinting and the steed mundus more valuable. I don't, however, like this change at all. I really really hate it when they reduce utility globally.

Granted, they gave sprinting speed 40% total, along side reducing major expedition to 30% - not sure why. They also made major expedition function like sprint in that when you cast a spell it kills the buff. Which prevents people from spamming cloak with concealed weapon and maneuver active, potentially allowing for an always active 65% movement speed boost - i use this a lot.

The fix to this for me is going to be wearing nightshade/mothers embrace set combos while travelling. So that way I can easily stay stealthed and still stack concealed with maneuver. This might be what differentiates stamblades from magblades, but magblades can just spam cloak, so...

If any of this has to do with preventing stealth movement, I would recommend ZOS to give nightblades stronger stealth detection radius decrease passives in their skill lines, so that if a magic user wants to stealth they don't have to wear leather. I would say that if they did this, they should change cloak dramatically. I don't understand why they made cloak such a central stealthing ability in the first place.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

• Reduced the bonus movement speed from the Major Expedition buff category to 30% from 40%.
• Increased the bonus movement speed from Sprint to 40% from 30%.

I think if you really want to test the percentage you need a longer test. You're talking about a 2 second difference between the test results and what would be expected from the tooltip.