Agree with most, however I wanted to point out the first person for slider has been in game since... 1.4 or 1.5

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Adhal wrote: »

Agree with most, however I wanted to point out the first person for slider has been in game since... 1.4 or 1.5

That is true, I think 1.3 actually, though I had been referring to when the third person one arrived, not the first .

Sounds right @Attorneyatlawl. I'd really like to see a positive @ZOS comment on this whole thread...

All of these things were true over a year ago.


They are still true.

And to make things worse the addon functionality was strangleholded to make a lot of things not possible for those of us who prefer them because they would be considered too valuable as functions (seeing an enemy's stamina or magicka bar, for instance), when it would've been much simpler to implement them into the base UI and let us toggle what we want and don't want on or off.

k9mouse wrote: »

SCREEN CLUUTER = I do not want it. I love the min UI and I want to keep that way! I do not want to be forced to used. I do not care if a so called "standard MMO" (aka WoW clone) has it or not. ESO is it's own game!

Combat log: = NO!
Scrolling combat text: NO!
Minimap: NO!
AH =NO!

Ahhh, makes sense, then. Thanks for deciding how I should play the game!

Carde wrote: »

All of these things were true over a year ago.


They are still true.

And to make things worse the addon functionality was strangleholded to make a lot of things not possible for those of us who prefer them because they would be considered too valuable as functions (seeing an enemy's stamina or magicka bar, for instance), when it would've been much simpler to implement them into the base UI and let us toggle what we want and don't want on or off.

Yep. I saw, interestingly enough, the same resistance from random people about adding third person camera options and how it was pointless , would waste mythical "dev time", and ruin the game, somehow, even though the same people demanded overhead options for chat bubbles. They now come into threads about other game-improving options being asked for and post the same unrelated complaints out of the context of any existing discussion therein, like clockwork.

Daveheart wrote: »

k9mouse wrote: »

SCREEN CLUUTER = I do not want it. I love the min UI and I want to keep that way! I do not want to be forced to used. I do not care if a so called "standard MMO" (aka WoW clone) has it or not. ESO is it's own game!

Combat log: = NO!
Scrolling combat text: NO!
Minimap: NO!
AH =NO!

If anyone truly wants to be a minimalist, the play with the hide UI function on. Even if you don't want to go that far, there are already options to show or hide action bars, health bars, alliance indicators, chat bubbles, NPC glow, and many more. Even many of the addons that already provide some of these UI enhancements have options to turn off the portions you'd rather not see.

Health bars are a crutch. And alliance indicators. You should know what spells you hit them with anyway and tell from the environmental cues whether they're severely injured and retreating... and you can easily tell friend from foe by seeing who's attacking near you! Just taking his argument to its logical endpoint. In reality, as you said, people turn on or off options to suit their preferences. The problem is that there are many missing options still, so they only work well for a small part of the playerbase so far.

Carde wrote: »

I don't really like the battle recap that shows me what killed me and for how much it killed me for.

Mostly because its only being informative after I've already died and I'd prefer it was showing me stuff while I was alive.

Yeah, it only shows a handful of things that actually happened, does so after the fact, and blobs them together to boot. It's not very useful compared to being able to see that kind of info concisely while actually playing for example. I think some people would be happy to see it removed, since it just adds to screen clutter .

Even better, you have no way of seeing why you got hit that hard .

spoqster wrote: »

100% with you.

Thank you for your comment! I've slacked on making a quick mock-up, but am aiming to get around to that today .

it is much better to have lots of OPTIONS to turn things on and off in a game.
no matter how zen they want the UI to be, players will want info.
RAIDers need info, their healers need to know who stepped in what, who's under any form of DoT/status effect. their tanks need to know how much mana their main and off healers still have. usualay in any game, the info is needed.

while its nice there are add ons for these things, you guys need to stop using them as a get out of argment excuse. (when i say *you guys* i mean the general forum going population)
the next wave is comming...consoles. and they cannot use add ons.
its much better to add in these options now, BEFOR they arrive and start getting angry that they cant turn these things on/off.

i personaly have never used add ons, because i dont need them. sure, there are nice ones for crafters and shard gathering and so on, but i havent got the need for them because i play in such a lazy-arse way that i dont need to be affective or have all skills ect. and i prefer not having to give up something i have become dependant on (after the maker of the add on moved to new games and gives up on the one im playing) i got sick of having to update add ons all the time with WoW, and those were just RP add ons and a bejeweled one for flying lol.

so i agree with nearly everything Attorneyatlawl is sugesting. the more info you can have (if you want it, turn it on) the better. if you dont want it, dont use it, dont turn it on. and when you start the game up for the first time, let it ask you if you want the standard, minimal UI or if you want the complex, information heavy UI on. that way you can change later.

oh, and whats your avatar Attorneyatlawl? it reminds me of a Cluster lizard from lex

Agreed on everything. Especially buffs and debuffs. At the very least they should come back as they were in beta, which would be very easy since it was already there before they gutted the whole API.

So I'm all for more UI information and yes it should be opt in/out.
Look at it this way...What's one of the first things ZOS asks if you have game issues?
Have you checked your addons.
If this information was incorporated into the game, wouldn't it eliminate some of the other possible issues with addons, making the game more stable overall?

Xendyn wrote: »

So I'm all for more UI information and yes it should be opt in/out.
Look at it this way...What's one of the first things ZOS asks if you have game issues?
Have you checked your addons.
If this information was incorporated into the game, wouldn't it eliminate some of the other possible issues with addons, making the game more stable overall?

Yep, that's an excellent point too, and one I've mentioned in the past: addons are done on a volunteer basis, and it's not at all uncommon for them to have bugs, in many cases those bugs being caused by improper documentation for addon developers by ZOS. Having the basic and standard feature set currently delegated to addons as a part of the base toggleable game options would ensure a stable baseline for ESO in general and certainly lower the support work load to boot.

Obscure wrote: »

My Priority Personally Preferred Options For Core UI:

- Combat Log (include source)
- Damage Numbers
- Resource Numbers
- UI Frame/Object position
- Buff and Debuff icons (with improved visual and/or audio cues)
- Inventory Filters
- Loot Drop (just full on integrate that add-on into the build)
- Quick slot bar with hot key cycling

An ESO without the above options, which I currently use add-ons for, is simply not complete. I'm traditionally not an add-on user (though I mod the crap out of Z other TES games), but ESO lacks volumes of options other games have had to allow me to fine tune the UI to a minimalist UI. Minimalist ≠ Incomplete

I've had the exact same experience. I barely ever used interface addons in over 15 years of playing mmo's, until ESO where the default user interface is so lacking in basic and industry standard options and functionality that it would be quite literally unplayable and unenjoyable without them as a result for what I'd wager is the vast majority of current players. The default UI isn't minimalistic even, as it was marketed to be. It's just barren, unintuitive, and has a very large amount of extraneous decorative elements that crowd the screen in presentation while not adding anything of use in information, function, or intuitiveness.

@helediron, absolutely. Addons used to also even be provided actual buff info. Even as a stop-gap measure, which while hardly ideal for a lot of reasons already covered to have to rely on them, addons should at least have the api opened back up for them while official in-game options/toggles are worked on. Way back when, the main thrust of the argument by roleplayers against the idea of having functionality available (and some were even hard-line stanced against us even having the ability to go out and download it!) was that even having optional toggles for these functions would somehow destroy the game and add so-called "UI clutter". As we've since seen, they then demanded and were given, toggles for chat bubbles as one example, demonstrating that the argument put forward there was just a red herring and as you logically would expect, didn't somehow "kill the game".

I did a poll recently to get a hint at how many people use addons. The results strongly suggest that ESO needs a UI upgrade, imho.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/157506/is-eso-console-ready-without-addons/p1