ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Not really. They need a starting point somewhere and its better than putting it in and everyone just starting at 0.

They said they where tracking xp to reward people who have already put time into the game. To go back and say we all start at the same point is absurd.

So, the statements ZoS made about tracking XP past v14 was a lie if this is the case. If you aren't going to be rewarded for the xp you've already earned, then why are the tracking it?

This is like an amplified version of the undaunted passives again - players that have already played the content are left to suffer, those that have not and still have plenty of quests to complete will have more opportunity to gain points and gain them faster.

Don't get me wrong, I expected to be at the champ point cap having several vr14 guys, but I didn't expect that cap to mean I would be tied with some random person that just hit VR1 the day the system launches.

manny254 wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Not really. They need a starting point somewhere and its better than putting it in and everyone just starting at 0.

They said they where tracking xp to reward people who have already put time into the game. To go back and say we all start at the same point is absurd.

I'm having some connection issues and can't see the live broadcast now. I hope that they clarify the situation during the show. Maybe @ZOS_KaiSchober can share our concerns to the Champion System lead or one of the Community Reps.

xaraan wrote: »

So, the statements ZoS made about tracking XP past v14 was a lie if this is the case. If you aren't going to be rewarded for the xp you've already earned, then why are the tracking it?

This is like an amplified version of the undaunted passives again - players that have already played the content are left to suffer, those that have not and still have plenty of quests to complete will have more opportunity to gain points and gain them faster.

Don't get me wrong, I expected to be at the champ point cap having several vr14 guys, but I didn't expect that cap to mean I would be tied with some random person that just hit VR1 the day the system launches.

What are you talking about?

ZOS is tracking xp, you will get championship points based on xp gained after v1, there will be a cap on the number of championship points you have on day 1.

I don't understand where you got the idea that they somehow lied, this has been the position from the beginning and to the best of my knowledge remains the case.

Thank you for the clarification. Perhaps everyone will get 30 points at V1, but we still get extra points based on our xp after v1? So if I'm v14 I will get 60 or something.

spryler wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

So, the statements ZoS made about tracking XP past v14 was a lie if this is the case. If you aren't going to be rewarded for the xp you've already earned, then why are the tracking it?

This is like an amplified version of the undaunted passives again - players that have already played the content are left to suffer, those that have not and still have plenty of quests to complete will have more opportunity to gain points and gain them faster.

Don't get me wrong, I expected to be at the champ point cap having several vr14 guys, but I didn't expect that cap to mean I would be tied with some random person that just hit VR1 the day the system launches.

What are you talking about?

ZOS is tracking xp, you will get championship points based on xp gained after v1, there will be a cap on the number of championship points you have on day 1.

I don't understand where you got the idea that they somehow lied, this has been the position from the beginning and to the best of my knowledge remains the case.

I will recap what was essentially said durring the eso live that is still on going atm.

The dev said that all players vr 1 or above would start with 30 champion points. Then gina asked how many points a players other characters would have. The dev accidentally said 10 but corrected herself to say 30.

So the lack of clarification combined with some of the conversation around this topic had created some confusion. So there are two ways to interpret this.

1. All players will start with a min of 30 points, and gina was trying to hammer into our brains that champion points are account bound.

2. All players that are vr1 or higher will all start at the same point.

@manny254: I also hope that this is just a misunderstanding and that XP is still getting tracked properly.
I really like they're trying to balance the XP gains for the different play modes, especially since it now directly affects champion points.

DeLindsay wrote: »

Leon119 wrote: »

isnt it kinda unfair for people who were playing more just getting ready for champion system to get points by grinding characters to vr14 or just in general playing more to just get 30 points for having at least 1 vr character ?
all that work and time spent playing wasted. gee thnx...

They said back in October on the Guild Summit audio that there would be a starting point cap, it's not ZoS's fault that players burnt themselves out trying to grind out as much XP as humanly possible to have an edge when it launched.

What's said above is very different than simply a starting point cap. I said in my post I assumed I would be at the cap. But getting 30 points for having 1 vr1 guy and 30 points for having 5 vr14 guys isn't quite the same thing. (Also doesn't answer why they said they are tracking xp past vr14).

And let's not assume everyone burns themself out just by leveling, but we only have so many slots. I only have two other non vet characters to level. I wasn't grinding today, just playing quests and got half way through a vet level. Now, thinking I was at max for starting points I wasn't too worried about wasting a few points if I feel like leveling my other characters. Now however, if this is true, those other guys are the only good source of xp I have unless I do nothing but play pvp (which I don't love) or grind (also don't love) - so I feel like I can't even play my other vet or other two non vets until Feb when I can actually use them to earn points.

I assume there will be like a 50% of the vr 14 population rage quitting and leave the game if this goes live

Pretty sure that means min 30 cp "+" not that everyone gets max 30cp regardless of experience above VR1

thats what it means
transcribed already at tamriel foundry what they said about this topic then:

"Since we changed each constellation to max out at 100 stars, that changed the significance of each point. That changed the way we want players to be spending points, it’s currently around 1 hour of play-time to earn a Champion point. As long as you have a Veteran Rank character, you will start with 30 points in the Champion System once 1.6 goes live. Every character on your account will have those 30 points to spend, it’s not a shared pool. There’s several reasons why we did that, is that we didn’t want players to be vastly separated at the start of the system. Everything has been re-balanced, trials, dungeons, overworld, etc… We wanted to make sure that players can continue doing the content that they currently can do. We wanted to avoid situations where certain pieces of game content have become significantly harder when the Champion System releases. When the system first comes out, there is a respec system that will be pretty cheap so that players can experiment and get comfortable with the system. Later on there will be a standard gold cost for re-speccing your Champion passives."

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Pretty sure that means min 30 cp "+" not that everyone gets max 30cp regardless of experience above VR1

This is exactly how I heard and took that statement. If you have at least a VR1 toon, you get 30 cp. They never said that was the 'out of the gate' cap and I'm 99% sure that some with a VR14 will have more than 30cp. However, the people that think because they have more than one VR14 they will have more are mistaken.

BalerionBlackDread wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Pretty sure that means min 30 cp "+" not that everyone gets max 30cp regardless of experience above VR1

This is exactly how I heard and took that statement. If you have at least a VR1 toon, you get 30 cp. They never said that was the 'out of the gate' cap and I'm 99% sure that some with a VR14 will have more than 30cp. However, the people that think because they have more than one VR14 they will have more are mistaken.

If that's how it's going to be, that's fine. (Incidentally, if they've changed it and that's no longer how it's going to be, that's also fine if ZOS admit they have changed their plans.) Any clarification available, @ZOS_MariaAliprando‌ ?