Should Magic-users do more damage with Staves than when Dual-Wielding?

Uriel_Nocturne

As the title states, should Magicka-users using Staves do more damage/heal more damage when using Staves than a Magicka-user Dual-Wielding Swords?

Let's see if we can get enough support to get this ship righted.

americansteel

any magic class using STAFF should do more spell damage.

robkrush

N/A, I don't care either way.

Shouldn't there be an option for them to do the same damage?

Traditionally speaking magic users use staffs but in this game magic power is not dependent on weapon type but influenced by runes one can put into their weapon. I think it makes sense that a warrior could only utilize one weapon rune regardless of how many wrapons they equip. That woulds mak choosing a weapon fall back on to what type of skills you wanted to use rather than boosting your magic. Of course then sword and board would be the obvious choice so.... Idk.

SSlarg

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

all the way back to dungeons & dragons

the spell casters were Always the most powerful.

ostrapz

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

Not limiting this to sorcs, dw shouldnt b betterthan a staff for magicka. An all ep character on xb1? I thought i was the only 1 not playin all factions lol

Nestor

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

It's odd to slot a Stamina based weapon to increase Spell Power. Especially if your weaving Light/Heavy Attacks while casting.

CyrusArya

No, it's perfectly reasonable for Sorc's using Dual-Wielding to do more Spell damage.

Destro staves should be buffed, ATM all the skills are pretty lame and passives underwhelming. That being said, it's a good thing that dual wield gives me more raw damage. Gives more options for builds and play styles and there is a very real trade off. That increased damage comes at the cost of being able to heavy weave weapon attacks with other skills. Sorcerer in particular is most affected by this, because they dont have awesome class skills that can be spammed whilst having dual wield equipped such as whip, sweeps, or swallow soul/concealed weapon. As such, the best Sorcerer builds use staves in PvP anyways. In PvE destro staff is a must with dual wield only being used for executes and overload.

So for these reasons, I think the system is fine as is. Dual wield being relevant to magicka builds gives the game variety and and allows for different builds to be viable. I don't wanna see magicka builds all using only one weapon, that would be lame. But once again, I firmly support destro staffs being buffed in a meaningful way.

code65536

Losing the ability to weave at range is plenty of reason to use a staff.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

SSlarg wrote: »

all the way back to dungeons & dragons

the spell casters were Always the most powerful.

I loved playing my Mages/Wizards in D&D. They were/are my favorite Class.

I still play regularly, and my Wizard kicks seven kinds of ass. XD

ostrapz wrote: »

Not limiting this to sorcs, dw shouldnt b betterthan a staff for magicka. An all ep character on xb1? I thought i was the only 1 not playin all factions lol

I agree completely.

And; LOL! If it isn't Ebonheart, then I don't play it.

UltimaJoe777

Perhaps Zenimax could make a seperate base damage stat for weapons? Like for example a metal weapon and bow with 800 base damage gives 600 to spell damage and vice versa for Staves?

PBpsy

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

All mag damage should be maxed with a destro staff. When they crapped on Cycle of life it was supposedly because doing magic DPS with a magic resto stick made "no sense". It is quite ironic that two swords makes more sense for them.

zerosingularity

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

Kinda beating a dead horse here. You are gonna find a high % of votes will be for staves>swords for spell damage, or at least equal in damage. If not then a buff to the destro skill-line to make staves more appealing for DPS. (So templars still get high damage with their Puncturing Sweep spam)

Also, mages with swords, tanks with staffs and skirts. One of these got fixed, when will the other.

QuebraRegra

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

OH F@WK YES!

Not only that, but any MAGICKA build should do more dmg with a staff than any other weapon type. This goes for more than just destro... Resto staves too! Staff=magick!

Emma_Overload

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

I don't think there's any single issue in the game where ESO's developers are SO far out of touch with the players. This isn't just a "balance" issue, it's also an aesthetic issue that monkeys with the player's sense of immersion.

Eleusian

No, it's perfectly reasonable for Sorc's using Dual-Wielding to do more Spell damage.

Gandalf carried a staff and sword at the same time kickin butt , I want that option !

daemonios

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

I answered staves, but ideally I'd like to see the same spell damage regardless of weapon equipped, for the sake of diversity.

ajwest927

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

It make no sense that a melee weapon can give up spell damage?

OmniDevil

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

I've never understood the concept that two swords, meant for melee attacks/skills, would provide a passive Spell Damage bonus. Maybe a passive should be introduced/reworked with Destro/Resto staves that provides the same level of spell damage that 2H/DW provides and leave melee weapon passives to melee/stamina classes.

The way it works now closely resembles a battlemage, sort of what a Stam Sorc is (imo). I'd much prefer carrying around a staff.

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

Not just sorcerers ANY spellcaster should do this.

Sheezabeast

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

Yes, it's silly not to!! Even Mannimarco has a staff! You don't see him duel wielding!

Guffel001

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

Lets not forget about the fact that you have 2 weapons dw and just 1 staff so you can use one set piece more . Thats why staff should deal even more (spell-)damage

ADarklore

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

Hopefully @Wrobel is paying attention to this thread and hopefully this is part of their future "balance" initiative. Given that DW already gets an additional crafting set bonus, also having it give more Spell Damage just doesn't make sense. Sure it's TWO weapons, but they're STAMINA weapons- which doesn't make sense for Magicka builds; a Magicka-based weapon should do more Spell Damage than a Magicka character using Stamina weapons.

Telel

SSlarg wrote: »

all the way back to dungeons & dragons

the spell casters were Always the most powerful.

A khajiit doing their J.R.R Tolkien impersonation called.

He wanted to remind you Gandalf used a sword more than he used magic missile.

Spearshard

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

I'm not opposed to a mage duel wielding, but it should be a magica based weapon, at least have it make sense.

Solariken

No, it's perfectly reasonable for Sorc's using Dual-Wielding to do more Spell damage.

CyrusArya wrote: »

Destro staves should be buffed, ATM all the skills are pretty lame and passives underwhelming. That being said, it's a good thing that dual wield gives me more raw damage. Gives more options for builds and play styles and there is a very real trade off. That increased damage comes at the cost of being able to heavy weave weapon attacks with other skills. Sorcerer in particular is most affected by this, because they dont have awesome class skills that can be spammed whilst having dual wield equipped such as whip, sweeps, or swallow soul/concealed weapon. As such, the best Sorcerer builds use staves in PvP anyways. In PvE destro staff is a must with dual wield only being used for executes and overload.

So for these reasons, I think the system is fine as is. Dual wield being relevant to magicka builds gives the game variety and and allows for different builds to be viable. I don't wanna see magicka builds all using only one weapon, that would be lame. But once again, I firmly support destro staffs being buffed in a meaningful way.

This.

daemonios

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

ADarklore wrote: »

Hopefully @Wrobel is paying attention to this thread and hopefully this is part of their future "balance" initiative. Given that DW already gets an additional crafting set bonus, also having it give more Spell Damage just doesn't make sense. Sure it's TWO weapons, but they're STAMINA weapons- which doesn't make sense for Magicka builds; a Magicka-based weapon should do more Spell Damage than a Magicka character using Stamina weapons.

Oh, the devs are aware of the issue. Last time I saw someone from ZOS pitch in on this, they said (again) that it's working as intended. Because ranged vs. melee. They simply can't wrap their heads around the fact that (i) there's no pure ranged in PvP (gap closers and all), (ii) there's no pure ranged in PvE (I can't exactly spam Elemental Ring from 18m away - ironically, that's a melee-range destro staff skill) and (iii) the whole ranged vs. melee "risk vs. reward" argument doesn't hold any water.

Makkir

Yes, Sorcerers using Staves should do the most damage with their Spells.

You can't light attack weave with dual swords so there is a tradeoff in terms of balance.
If this were not the case, and in fact Staves increased spell dmg as dual swords do, then I think we would find sorc DPS OP threads all over the place....

NecrosIX

No, it's perfectly reasonable for Sorc's using Dual-Wielding to do more Spell damage.

Hybrids are already weak with the soft cap removal. I don't think they need less reasons to go hybrid. I do agree that the range of gap closers are too long though. In PvE they are fine. Maybe nerf them in PvP?

Forestd16b14_ESO

americansteel wrote: »

any magic class using STAFF should do more spell damage.

What this guy said. Like if sorcerers get more magic damage with staffs then I want DKs to block more with shields and Nords to deal more damage with 2H weapons and Argonians to deal more damage with bows and DW and of course Templars to heal more with restoration staffs and deal more damage with 2H.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Yes, it's silly not to!! Even Mannimarco has a staff! You don't see him duel wielding!

Well that's cause his staff alone can bring the dead back to life let alone his magic.

Stannum

Stupid poll.
Why sorcs only?
Think it should be class independen mechs.
Stamina weapons passives should not affect spell dmg stamina weapon base dmg should not add to spell dmg more then magika weapons and vice versa.