Will Chalman Milegate be fixed with the next meaningful content update?

Lava_Croft

'Everybody' can exploit it, but only the same few people actually exploit it. @ZOS_BrianWheeler, any word on a possible fix? It can't be that hard!

Garion

I hope it doesn't get "fixed". It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

Lava_Croft

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get fixed. It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

I fully understand your resistance to any kind of a fix to this bug. It would stop you from exploiting it.

driosketch

They should just add stairs.

Garion

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get fixed. It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

I fully understand your resistance to any kind of a fix to this bug. It would stop you from exploiting it.

It's quite funny actually, everyone in TS said you would say exactly this and told me not to bother posting! However I gave clear reasoning on why I think it should stay. Even if it is currently considered a "bug", I think it is a shame that something which can diversify game play (DKs leaping into keeps being a prime example) being nerfed because people spend all their time crying about it on the forums. It really isn't the end of the world, it's hardly something that impacts on game balance or even the scoring system within Cyrodiil, so I see no reason why it shouldn't be changed. Of course most people seem to want zergs to reign supreme and pigeonhole everyone into playing a certain way...

Lava_Croft

I'm fine with a bunch of stairs there, as long as they fix the current badly designed state of affairs.

Leovolao

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm fine with a bunch of stairs there, as long as they fix the current badly designed state of affairs.

So you just want an easier way to get up there? Why would they bother with this then? Everyone can easily get up there already.

driosketch

Leovolao wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I'm fine with a bunch of stairs there, as long as they fix the current badly designed state of affairs.

So you just want an easier way to get up there? Why would they bother with this then? Everyone can easily get up there already.

I've honestly don't think I've ever come across people being up there. What campaign is this on?

Etaniel

Some people just can't stop complaining

WRX

Etaniel wrote: »

Some people just can't stop complaining

It'll be the death of this game.

People b***h and moan about anything that gets them killed.

I will refer them here

Teargrants

Zos doesn't have the funds to pay for construction of the invisible wall.

Sanct16

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get fixed. It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

I fully understand your resistance to any kind of a fix to this bug. It would stop you from exploiting it.

Don't you think its a design flaw that people actually have to exploit something like this in order to get to a position you can defend well with few numbers against large amounts of players when there are so many keeps in cyrodiil?

Sanct16

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MisterBigglesworth

Sanct16 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get fixed. It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

I fully understand your resistance to any kind of a fix to this bug. It would stop you from exploiting it.

Don't you think its a design flaw that people actually have to exploit something like this in order to get to a position you can defend well with few numbers against large amounts of players when there are so many keeps in cyrodiil?

Agreed, so make the gates destructable!

DeanTheCat

Garion wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get fixed. It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

I fully understand your resistance to any kind of a fix to this bug. It would stop you from exploiting it.

It's quite funny actually, everyone in TS said you would say exactly this and told me not to bother posting! However I gave clear reasoning on why I think it should stay. Even if it is currently considered a "bug", I think it is a shame that something which can diversify game play (DKs leaping into keeps being a prime example) being nerfed because people spend all their time crying about it on the forums. It really isn't the end of the world, it's hardly something that impacts on game balance or even the scoring system within Cyrodiil, so I see no reason why it shouldn't be changed. Of course most people seem to want zergs to reign supreme and pigeonhole everyone into playing a certain way...

So... when I go hunt the people doing it, certain people in Arena (Mostly people that fight under the lion banner, not referring to you) start QQing that I'm "Exploiting" and in general start flaming me in chat. So... the question is... Is it only considered exploiting when someone else does it and it's not considered exploiting when the person in question does it?

Lava_Croft

Sanct16 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get fixed. It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

I fully understand your resistance to any kind of a fix to this bug. It would stop you from exploiting it.

Don't you think its a design flaw that people actually have to exploit something like this in order to get to a position you can defend well with few numbers against large amounts of players when there are so many keeps in cyrodiil?

So your argument is that your tiny group needed a way to defend against overwhelming forces and because this wasn't possible, you felt the need to exploit?

Eh, ok then. I guess that explains a whole lot.

Tankqull

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get "fixed". It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

the only way it is reachable is contrary to the purpose of the wall as it is only accessable from the wall attacker side - its as if your alessia keepdoors are gone when senjanus is owned by EP e.g. .
and a player "abusing" it is 100% safe if they are not complete ***(exposing themselfes to ambush and take flight by standiing right on the edge while your keep example is the opposite as the intruder is exposing himself to overwhelming forces) as the position up there is only of interest if the wall is constested and the opposing forces are in an efficiancy limbo.
none the less the only the only change id like to see would be the inabiility to install or use siege weapons from up there beeing able to get there i´m absolutly fine, beeing able to use especially oil from 100% safty if the user is not dump as *** is not though.

Etaniel

Tankqull wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

I hope it doesn't get "fixed". It makes the game more dynamic - the same as DKs being able to jump into keeps etc. Everyone can do it, so everyone can go up there and counter it... I don't see it as an issue, but of course it is something that will be "fixed" to cater to the QQers.

the only way it is reachable is contrary to the purpose of the wall as it is only accessable from the wall attacker side - its as if your alessia keepdoors are gone when senjanus is owned by EP e.g. .
and a player "abusing" it is 100% safe if they are not complete ***(exposing themselfes to ambush and take flight by standiing right on the edge while your keep example is the opposite as the intruder is exposing himself to overwhelming forces) as the position up there is only of interest if the wall is constested and the opposing forces are in an efficiancy limbo.
none the less the only the only change id like to see would be the inabiility to install or use siege weapons from up there beeing able to get there i´m absolutly fine, beeing able to use especially oil from 100% safty if the user is not dump as *** is not though.

This actually makes a bit of sense. I have no problem with benig able to get up there. Instead of removing that possibility, they should add a way to get up there from the defender's side as well. Would sort of balance it without taking the fun away

Master_Fluff

I've tried many times to get up there, but it always ends in failure.

Leandor

If they leave that in, I want the same possibility and difficulty for reaching the tower top at Alessia bridge and Nikel milegate. We want that dynamic evenly distributed and balanced, please. And of course what @Tankqull wrote, make it possible from both sides of the choke point in question.

Knootewoot

The game is about freedom. Away with the invisible walls.

also everybody can get up there. If you see enemies there go halfway and siege them from the wall.

Rook_Master

I can't believe the people here that leap at the chance to defend exploiting.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

I'm sorry, but how you can get up there is clearly showing that it's not intended to be there. Of course i can go there, but it's not exactly intuitive and for some classes it's way harder than for others. I'm all for spots where you can defend against bigger groups, but without having to climb there like some kind of goat. Put some small pathway to go there and it'll be fine.

Iyas

go through the wall and dont bother with them?

driosketch

Iyas wrote: »

go through the wall and dont bother with them?

This might be why I've never seen it. As soon as we are through, we are off to the next target.

Erock25

Rook_Master wrote: »

I can't believe the people here that leap at the chance to defend exploiting.

It is like a sickness in their minds bends the truth to justify their despicable actions.

Garion

Erock25 wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

I can't believe the people here that leap at the chance to defend exploiting.

It is like a sickness in their minds bends the truth to justify their despicable actions.

This is a gross exaggeration and makes you sound... Well, a little bit weird. I am defending this because I think it diversifies game play and creates a more enjoyable game for everyone because it increases the viability of defending a strategic position within Cyrodiil. Take away the possibility for EVERYONE to get on there as they can now and you just make it so you have yet another position in Cyrodiil where zerging reigns supreme.

AhPook_Is_Here

I wouldn't mind if the rocks that only appear for AD and EP around the DC third of the map, (the ones that DC can walk in and out of at will to break los) were made a little more collisioney for DC as well.

Lava_Croft

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I wouldn't mind if the rocks that only appear for AD and EP around the DC third of the map, (the ones that DC can walk in and out of at will to break los) were made a little more collisioney for DC as well.

Naw man, it diversifies gameplay. Like glitching behind Scroll gate or Teleport Striking into keeps.

Darlgon

Always remember.. the current motto is:

Exploit + mass advertizing = game feature

Until ZoS fixes it in 18 months and declares it an exploit.

Garion

Lava_Croft wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

I wouldn't mind if the rocks that only appear for AD and EP around the DC third of the map, (the ones that DC can walk in and out of at will to break los) were made a little more collisioney for DC as well.

Naw man, it diversifies gameplay. Like glitching behind Scroll gate or Teleport Striking into keeps.

Both of which can be done by limited classes with limited use of particular skills. Both have a direct impact on Cyrodiil campaign scoring.

Chalman Milegate can be accessed by any class at any time without directly impacting on campaign scoring. If someone does it you can counter it - by going up there yourself and killing them - or ignore it.

I recognise that it may not have been originally intended, but you can't deny that it doesn't make gameplay more interesting. I mean, what are your arguments against it? You haven't actually provided one. You have just said you don't want it to be there? But why? I have provided ample reason why I think it is a good thing, are you unable to provide any actual counter to what I am saying or will you just continue to make sarcastic remarks?