staticstorm wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

staticstorm wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

This is 100% FtP... the only difference is you have to buy the Box as the first pay gate...

100% File Transfer Protocol ? did u happen to mean F2P ?

Free to play sorry I dont use the l33t speak

sorry that's how companies use it as FTP means something else.

FtP is different then FTP... F2P is stupid

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

I played SWTOR after it went F2P. I kept paying the monthly subscription just like I did before it went F2P. The maturity of the community was no different before or after the F2P conversion. Since I was still paying a monthly sub, I was never affected by the annoyances of F2P. Based on my experiences in SWTOR after it went F2P, it's really hard for me to take the TESO doom and gloomers seriously. I will continue to pay a sub for TESO and I am predicting my gameplay won't be affected at all by anyone taking advantage of the F2P model.

Here is my problem with it.

In the SWTOR F2P/sub model like this one. You needed the sub to get access to everything. But they also constantly added items, mounts, clothing, dyes, and more to the cash shop

the total amount of items they added each moth had a total purchasing cost easily over the "free" cash shop currency you got for being a sub. And you could never save up to get everything because they were producing cash shop Items too quickly. So if you wanted one of the new outfits, one of the new weapons and wanted to try out the new dye color this month you had to buy additional cash shop tokens on top of your sub!

When I looked at my SWTOR monthly Fee and realized I was closer to $30 a month since "F2P" had started I left. I feels like a scam to me.

Robocles wrote: »

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Raaecl wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

The SWTOR model penalizes you if you don't sub... pretty severely. This doesn't, it just gives subs a buff. If you think xp boosts and a bit more gold is P2W in this game, not sure what to tell you.

Well its a beginning. From what ive read in the forums it seems that soul gems and potions will also be sold there.

Nowhere did ZOS mention health pots or soul gems. They are so freakin' easy to come by it's not even funny.

Yah they did. And yes they are.

It wasn't in the faq I read... I will defer if you provide me a link.

Hmm... in another thread someone posted this:

"You can spend crowns in the in-game Crown Store to get unique mounts, special vanity pets, a variety of fun costumes for your character, and convenience items like health potions and soul gems."

but now I can't find the exact quote in the faq, so maybe I am wrong, or this person misquoted, or it was changed.

Another example of a company that can't communicate. I just saw that one... I defer.

Please link it. Its quite early on so unless this person is actually in with the section of ZOS that will be charged with overlooking the Cash Shop. I suspect their misspeaking.

Emencie wrote: »

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

I played SWTOR after it went F2P. I kept paying the monthly subscription just like I did before it went F2P. The maturity of the community was no different before or after the F2P conversion. Since I was still paying a monthly sub, I was never affected by the annoyances of F2P. Based on my experiences in SWTOR after it went F2P, it's really hard for me to take the TESO doom and gloomers seriously. I will continue to pay a sub for TESO and I am predicting my gameplay won't be affected at all by anyone taking advantage of the F2P model.

Here is my problem with it.

In the SWTOR F2P/sub model like this one. You needed the sub to get access to everything. But they also constantly added items, mounts, clothing, dyes, and more to the cash shop

the total amount of items they added each moth had a total purchasing cost easily over the "free" cash shop currency you got for being a sub. And you could never save up to get everything because they were producing cash shop Items too quickly. So if you wanted one of the new outfits, one of the new weapons and wanted to try out the new dye color this month you had to buy additional cash shop tokens on top of your sub!

When I looked at my SWTOR monthly Fee and realized I was closer to $30 a month since "F2P" had started I left. I feels like a scam to me.

Exactly

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

Raaecl wrote: »

Robocles wrote: »

The SWTOR model penalizes you if you don't sub... pretty severely. This doesn't, it just gives subs a buff. If you think xp boosts and a bit more gold is P2W in this game, not sure what to tell you.

Well its a beginning. From what ive read in the forums it seems that soul gems and potions will also be sold there.

Nowhere did ZOS mention health pots or soul gems. They are so freakin' easy to come by it's not even funny.

Yah they did. And yes they are.

It wasn't in the faq I read... I will defer if you provide me a link.

Hmm... in another thread someone posted this:

"You can spend crowns in the in-game Crown Store to get unique mounts, special vanity pets, a variety of fun costumes for your character, and convenience items like health potions and soul gems."

but now I can't find the exact quote in the faq, so maybe I am wrong, or this person misquoted, or it was changed.

Another example of a company that can't communicate. I just saw that one... I defer.

Please link it. Its quite early on so unless this person is actually in with the section of ZOS that will be charged with overlooking the Cash Shop. I suspect their misspeaking.

Check a couple posts up from that one. The link is there. It is the "ESO Plus Explained" article, not the faq.

edit: Here
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/2015/01/21/your-guide-to-eso-plus-premium-membership?_ga=1.143560693.1744955668.1421853829

If theyre stupid enough to paygate those. Theyll be making swift changes to that once the rest of the community gets a whiff of it.

Emencie wrote: »

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

I played SWTOR after it went F2P. I kept paying the monthly subscription just like I did before it went F2P. The maturity of the community was no different before or after the F2P conversion. Since I was still paying a monthly sub, I was never affected by the annoyances of F2P. Based on my experiences in SWTOR after it went F2P, it's really hard for me to take the TESO doom and gloomers seriously. I will continue to pay a sub for TESO and I am predicting my gameplay won't be affected at all by anyone taking advantage of the F2P model.

Here is my problem with it.

In the SWTOR F2P/sub model like this one. You needed the sub to get access to everything. But they also constantly added items, mounts, clothing, dyes, and more to the cash shop

the total amount of items they added each moth had a total purchasing cost easily over the "free" cash shop currency you got for being a sub. And you could never save up to get everything because they were producing cash shop Items too quickly. So if you wanted one of the new outfits, one of the new weapons and wanted to try out the new dye color this month you had to buy additional cash shop tokens on top of your sub!

When I looked at my SWTOR monthly Fee and realized I was closer to $30 a month since "F2P" had started I left. I feels like a scam to me.

So in reality your problem with SWTOR was that Biowarw added items to their cash shop that compelled you to spend money above and beyond your monthly subscription amount on items that you did not NEED to succeed in the game but WANTED because it was a cool cosmetic item. There wasn't an actual problem with the game itself but instead the problem was the lack of willpower on your part that caused you to spend real life cash for cosmetic items.

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

Rescorla_ESO wrote: »

I played SWTOR after it went F2P. I kept paying the monthly subscription just like I did before it went F2P. The maturity of the community was no different before or after the F2P conversion. Since I was still paying a monthly sub, I was never affected by the annoyances of F2P. Based on my experiences in SWTOR after it went F2P, it's really hard for me to take the TESO doom and gloomers seriously. I will continue to pay a sub for TESO and I am predicting my gameplay won't be affected at all by anyone taking advantage of the F2P model.

Here is my problem with it.

In the SWTOR F2P/sub model like this one. You needed the sub to get access to everything. But they also constantly added items, mounts, clothing, dyes, and more to the cash shop

the total amount of items they added each moth had a total purchasing cost easily over the "free" cash shop currency you got for being a sub. And you could never save up to get everything because they were producing cash shop Items too quickly. So if you wanted one of the new outfits, one of the new weapons and wanted to try out the new dye color this month you had to buy additional cash shop tokens on top of your sub!

When I looked at my SWTOR monthly Fee and realized I was closer to $30 a month since "F2P" had started I left. I feels like a scam to me.

So in reality your problem with SWTOR was that Biowarw added items to their cash shop that compelled you to spend money above and beyond your monthly subscription amount on items that you did not NEED to succeed in the game but WANTED because it was a cool cosmetic item. There wasn't an actual problem with the game itself but instead the problem was the lack of willpower on your part that caused you to spend real life cash for cosmetic items.

You don't need anything to succeed in these games... In fact the phrasing "Need to succeed in the game" Seems sort of strange.

But in case you don't get it from there here is an example.

In the SWTOR F2P Model, to get new outfits for my character I have 2 choices. Go buy them from the auction house from someone who purchased it from the cash shop, or I need to purchase tokens, then buy the outfits I want on top of my subscription fee.

In the subscription model, Lets take WoW for example. I also have 2 choices. I can buy them from the auction house from someone who did the content and got the drop, or I can find what bosses the outfit drops off of, and go fight them to get my outfit.

I like one way more than the other primarily because I feel like we are all getting scammed in F2P. Once goods can be purchased for real money it starts to change the way the game feels and works. simply putting sell able items in the cash shop gives gold a real world value. Things start becoming worth money even though they are not sold for money. Also I personally have a big problem with the current F2P market which preys on addictive personalities to milk money out of a game they no longer produce content for, while still asking for a sub from players who simply purchase in game goods from the people that cant stop buying.

I personally don't like it when every action and inaction in my video game is reduced to dollars and cents.

flavienbbb16_ESO wrote: »

SWTOR is the worst F2P, followed by LOTRO, maybe you should take a look at The Secret World, B2P, and hope we get something like that.

Without the RSI or constant difficulty ramp ups, right?

Raaecl wrote: »

SWTOR was a great game when it had subscriptions, then they went F2P and all the in game purchases were frustrating. It just puts people off playing the game. Make the game buy to play but with expansion packs, so all players get an equal (and also the best) experience. Im sure most of us wont mind paying for the major updates and zones. There is no need for other in game purchases. The 10% buffs are just P2W.

I would agree , but SWTOR at the end analysis is a single player game with a multi player lobby called the fleet.

ESO has its flaws but it's a true MMO. and the Freemium model for swtor only brought back the population. but the content did get crappy post change.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Raaecl wrote: »

SWTOR was a great game when it had subscriptions, then they went F2P and all the in game purchases were frustrating. It just puts people off playing the game. Make the game buy to play but with expansion packs, so all players get an equal (and also the best) experience. Im sure most of us wont mind paying for the major updates and zones. There is no need for other in game purchases. The 10% buffs are just P2W.

What do I win with an extra 10% XP buff while leveling? I love this ridiculous mantra the haters are spouting, you WIN NOTHING in the PVE side of the game and I have no time for PVP so ignore it.

Your OP though does have some sense .. both SW:TOR and ESO failed to even last 12 months on paid subs, that says something pretty bad about the games' appeal.

both games were released at least a year before they should.

its like selling a car before every part has been assambled. it doesent work in the long run but software publisher don´t get that, and do not realise that they burn their reputation by doing so...

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

With Tamriel Unlimited, we are not changing the current rate at which your characters progress. That includes experience and AP gain rate, gold gain speed, what your character can equip, etc. The overall experience will be no different than the game you're playing now.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom: What stunned me the most upon hearing the P2P news was the disdain that transpired through the announcement. Despite numerous polls on the subject and most of your current suscribers feeling satisfied with the payment model, you still went along with the change.

From the press release:

“Our fans are our biggest inspiration, and we’ve listened to their feedback on the entertainment experience they want,” said Matt Firor, Game Director of The Elder Scrolls Online. “We know that Elder Scrolls fans want choice when it comes to how they play and how they pay, and that is what they will get.

Elder Scrolls fans are right here and they didn't ask for this change.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

With Tamriel Unlimited, we are not changing the current rate at which your characters progress. That includes experience and AP gain rate, gold gain speed, what your character can equip, etc. The overall experience will be no different than the game you're playing now.

But you are giving people the option to buy a xp potion from the cash shop correct? How does this not change character progression? I'm sorry I don't buy these statements from your company anymore.

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me is the old saying.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

With Tamriel Unlimited, we are not changing the current rate at which your characters progress. That includes experience and AP gain rate, gold gain speed, what your character can equip, etc. The overall experience will be no different than the game you're playing now.

So which is it? You guys should probably get together, you're contradicting yourselves.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We want it to be in good shape before we hand it over to all of you on the PTS. We'll let you know when we have a better idea of when that will be, but in the name of being as transparent as we can, there is a possibility it will not be next week.

Wait...nevermind. Who am I asking to be open and transparent.

So when you made the above comment in the name of being as transparent as you can, how much of a delay were you already aware of the cash shop design was causing?

In the name of being as transparent as you can, why wait so long to make this announcement?

In the name of being as transparent as you can, was it specifically to gain another month of subs from existing customers knowing many would cancel when the announcement was made?

In the name of being as transparent as you can, exactly how full of *** are ZOS employees?

In the name of being as transparent as you can, are you really so naive as to believe that a cash shop won't have any effect on game play at all?

In the name of being as transparent as you can, exactly how little do you think of your customers? How many lies do you really think you can feed them before enough is enough? How long do you expect to keep any respect of players when you show a blatant disregard for them on a weekly basis?
Matt Firor, "Charging a flat monthly (or subscription) fee means that we will offer players the game we set out to make, and the one that fans want to play. Going with any other model meant that we would have to make sacrifices and changes we weren’t willing to make.”

"The Elder Scrolls Online was designed and developed to be a premium experience: hundreds of hours of gameplay, tons of depth and features, professional customer support – and a commitment to have ongoing content at regular intervals after launch. This type of experience is best paired with a one-time fee per month, as opposed to many smaller payments that would probably add up to more than $14.99/month any way."

Paul D. Sage: "No, we don’t have any plans that I am aware of to change it in the future. You know the business model is what the business model is and it allows us to deliver high level content on regular basis right now. So there are no plans that I am aware of."