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  • deusAZMODAN
    I cant find "server status" anymore. :(
  • KitLightning
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    @ZOS_MichelleA @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

    Why are you trashing the users own pages? It is an unacceptable approach that the administration voids access to the users own creations without any notification in advance.
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  • Turelus
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    @ZOS_MichelleA @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

    Why are you trashing the users own pages? It is an unacceptable approach that the administration voids access to the users own creations without any notification in advance.

    What are you talking about, I missed something here I think.
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  • KitLightning
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    @Turelus It has been an approach that the administration have taken since the start of the BETA access, for reasons unknown to me. Old boards/pages are marked with a higher permission than standard user thus equal to trashing the page, e.g.:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/969/new-player-guide
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/9213/weapon-skills-list
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/11791/list-of-emotes

    A users page should never be made inaccessible without some sort of notification, be it in advance via PM or public notification. All sites I've been Administrating have never taken this approach per-auto. That said, if and when a users own creation was to be marked inaccessible due to permission levels or deletion, the said user has been notified of the administrative action, as well as a complete copy of the page forwarded to the user.
    I sincerely don't see it logical that the users own creations simple no longer can be accessed. Though if I put on my troll-hat, some logic may sip through...
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  • onlinegamer1
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    Why did you remove "Mark all Read" ?
  • Turelus
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    Why did you remove "Mark all Read" ?

    I think they posted earlier in this thread it was for technical reasons or something and they're planning to bring it back, not 100% sure on that though I could have imagined it. :P
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  • AlexDougherty
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    Turelus wrote: »
    Why did you remove "Mark all Read" ?

    I think they posted earlier in this thread it was for technical reasons or something and they're planning to bring it back, not 100% sure on that though I could have imagined it. :P
    Just so long as they put it somewhere I don't keep accidently hitting.
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  • Aldrorius
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    I didnt read all of the thread (sorry for that), but i want to leave my feedback about the forum:

    1- Important information about eso problems seems to pass unnoticed by most of the forum users (a lot of threads about the same subject). Threads need to be moved and/or deleted to keep all the discussion in the same place.

    2- The "Know issues thread" must have the update date on its name (like "In-Progress Known Issues - updated xx/xx/2014")

    3- A lot of "rage" and "complain" threads without any feedback going around the forums - Zos need to take more control of those threads, not by deleting/locking (with exceptions), but by asking those players WHAT they dont like about the thing they are complain - this will "desarm" them and keep the whole discussion civilized, leading to better feedback in the future.

    4- Forum pools: IMHO, they are just like when someone reply to someone's opinion whit a "+1" or "agree", because most people dont leave feedback together with the vote. So this need to be disabled.

    Thanks ^^
  • MasterSpatula
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    I kind of miss "Best of."
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  • ZOS_AlanG
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    NordJitsu wrote: »
    I'd REALLY like it if you could bring back the "Participated" tab so I can easily find on going conversations. Its a pain to have to cycle through my profile or the main forums to find thins.
    The "Participated" and "Mark all as Read" menu items were disabled due to technical problems they were having. Fixes for both are being investigated.
    smokes wrote: »
    does anyone else find the developer tracker hard to read?

    i'd much prefer having the thread titles, which when click on take you straight to the dev post in that thread.

    the current layout is just a bit wierd - i'd be fine with it if it was just 1 post wide, but 3 narrow posts that can go a long way down the page is just a bit bizarre and difficult to read imo.
    Developer Tracker improvements are being looked at as part of the larger forum overhaul we're working on.
    It has been an approach that the administration have taken since the start of the BETA access, for reasons unknown to me. Old boards/pages are marked with a higher permission than standard user thus equal to trashing the page,
    During beta, each individual event had specific sections created for it, and then archived afterward. Some content did move from event to event, but almost all beta content was archived at launch.

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  • Ashenangel
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    i think the new layout is much better and i dont understand why people are so annoyed about the multiple laguage issue i just read past the bits thats not english not hard realy and least not forget its a eu server and eu forum:)
    Edited by Ashenangel on May 23, 2014 8:41PM
    The worlds gone to hell in a hand basket >:)
  • ExiledKhallisi
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    Feedback:

    In 20+ years of online gaming... These are the worst official forums I have ever seen. I love the game, ESO is wonderful. But who designed these forums? a middle school student using one of those copy paste do it yourself website apps? Why would you not just make it like a regular forum? Layout is bad, Feedback section is bad, Devs dont communicate at all it seems. Stop using Reddit. Use your forums. Make them better please.
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  • KitLightning
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    @Aldrorius I'm not entirely sure that users deliberately avoid the staff informative posts, nor the Known Issue threads, though personal experience leads me to to think that it is only if and when they have an issue they tend to swing that way.
    Also threads that are of the same nature should be merged, moving them to another board without a notification is unheard off. Deleting a users post is a last available action and should only occur if the post/topic is of a nature not in line with the current forum ruling.

    @ZOS_AlanG I sincerely/sadly* must say that the answer was not a surprise/revolution* nor that it elevated the readers insight as to the reasoning behind the administrative action. And so since there was nothing new under the great blob in the purple haze above, I feel inclined/intrigued* to approach this from a different angle: Does ZoS approve of removing users topics/post without notifying them of their content being marked inaccessible for their current permission level? In connection to this, that is if/when such action have been taken, can the user be given a complete copy of their creation by request?
    NB: This is not meant as a flaming/furry* comment, but rather stemming from a user whom still is a little puzzled/confuzed* of the administrative decisions regarding the site. If its not wanted to address such delicate intelligence openly, a PM or E-Mail may satisfy equally, really, yours truly is that easy to satisfy. Then again we, as the silly meat-bots** we are, surely are entitled to ignore/praise* as it pleases.
    *Delete which ever seems inappropriate.
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    @ExiledKhallisi Somehow I believe its an available package, moderately modified, though I can't quite recall where I've seen it before... aH!! Marvel Heroes uses that format too, its based on the http://vanillaforums.com/ me thinks. The width of the post window (along with the rest) should be a percentage (if possible) of the browsers current dimensions and not a fixed 642px iirc.
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  • Turelus
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    Thank you for another update @ZOS_AlanG I'm looking forward to see what the next layout change looks like, and that Dev Tracker update you speak off... :cookie: for you all when that comes. :P
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  • fredarbonab14_ESO
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    Excellent improvements, and thank you for listening and taking what us players have to say, at least those that convey ideas in a civil and respectful manner; all other types of posts should be totally ignored or better yet - instantly deleted.
  • wizzerd_lg_ESO
    yeah, you may have changed stuff, but it still looks the same to me. Worst MMO Forums I've ever used, which is why I don't use them much. I don't read German or French, and while I don't have anything against those who do, I don't want forums that look like VCR operating manuals. Too much stuff in the way of the stuff I want to see means I'll just go look for it on someone else's site... kinda the equivalent of addons... someone else will probably do it better.
  • Cogo
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    @ZOS_AlanG

    Hi there!

    I was one who very early, in April I think, "suggested" quite harchy that the forums needed to improve on several points. The main was to separate English / French / German, so when you clicked your language at the top, you only saw english for example.

    Someone stated that you can not do that because of legal reasons within EU.
    Is this true? Then we simply have to live with that. I just like to hear this info from a DEVS

    The DEVS news section is great!

    Also you have proven that you listen to us with the new "general section".

    And I have changed my mind a bit. I been browsing forums longer then I've played games. And after you get sort of used with this style, it IS nice to have an ESO style type of forum and not a copy from somewhere else, even if I agree the structure could use "some" improvement.

    I'll take it back that I'd like to see another type of forum. Keep working on these. It actually adds to another point that makes ESO Unique.

    I do have a question regarding the "points" and "stars" we get. I understand the basic that it will show how active a poster is or not. Is there any other reason for them?

    Another suggestion thats been going around is to add another button like "agree" with "disagree". Is this something you are considering, or would such a button server no purpose?

    Thanks for listening.
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  • Jogi1
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    MAN!

    Do you guys give any positive feedback? Do you complain IRL everything all the time? You gain more with positive feed back than negative. If someone all the time nags everything you do, how do you feel about it. Even dogs are trained with positive feedback, human does not differ from that.
    Did you ever learn the you'r own way of seeing things isn't the automatically the right one? There is a difference giving an suggestion and saying that, this my opinion is the only right way to proceed.
    And the language issue. Open your narrow mind a bit, get outside of you'r comfort zone, go out and see life. Then you just might notice that English isn't the only language in the world.

    It's a way of seeing things, not always demanding but giving.


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  • Cogo
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    MAN!

    Do you guys give any positive feedback? Do you complain IRL everything all the time? You gain more with positive feed back than negative. If someone all the time nags everything you do, how do you feel about it. Even dogs are trained with positive feedback, human does not differ from that.
    Did you ever learn the you'r own way of seeing things isn't the automatically the right one? There is a difference giving an suggestion and saying that, this my opinion is the only right way to proceed.
    And the language issue. Open your narrow mind a bit, get outside of you'r comfort zone, go out and see life. Then you just might notice that English isn't the only language in the world.

    It's a way of seeing things, not always demanding but giving.


    I agree with you. Its way to much negativity.

    But you ask for more positive feedback. I'll give you:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/892553/#Comment_892553
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  • ZOS_MichelleA
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    Hello, guys! A quick update: we've removed several posts from this thread, as they were off topic. If you ever have questions or concerns about a disciplinary action or decision made on your forum account, we ask that you please contact http://help.elderscrollsonline.com/ to do so (please specify that you are contacting about a forum-related inquiry or appeal). We are happy to discuss and review specific moderation-related actions with you, while leaving this thread free for more feedback on the forum structure/layout. Thank you for your understanding.
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  • Turelus
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    @joukomalkakorpieb17_ESO this is a thread for making the forums better, there is little point in us only giving positive feedback if there are issues with the functioning of the forums. We're not being negative, we're pointing out flaws in the current working of something so they might be improved upon.

    There has been some positive comments from ZOS regarding forums changes though so looking forward to seeing them. I want that dev tracker update so bad... :P
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  • Rylana
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    We need a specific bug forum. Just for bug reports.
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  • Ella_Mental
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    Rylana wrote: »
    We need a specific bug forum. Just for bug reports.

    Perhaps a Sub Forum section in the Customer Service Forum?
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  • Mango995
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    It is useless on mobile devices you can not go to any section it only shows nothing
  • KitLightning
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    @ZOS_MichelleA‌ Preliminary suggestions:
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    The structure currently limits the user overall experience and at worst will limit the user happy-browsing-time. The width of the actual area that can be interacted with is not justifiable since the unused area does not add any contents to the browsing experience.

    Navigation Bar/Menu: Shifting this to the right is an illogical approach to me that the user is forced to switch from one side of the window to the other. Design-wisely this is a no-no that it breaks with uniformity of the page layout.
    Extending the Navigation bar with the content from the Categories panel as well as having the Categories logically named (they already are to the extend of what is needed) as well as compiling the various categories with a dropdown menu respectively would eventually free up space that can be given to the Topic/Comment area.

    Recent Discussions: This is redundant to have lingering on each and every page the client opens. Most of the content are available via the users Profile anyway.

    Announcements: These messages, even though that the user can remove those via the little "x" is obscuring the actual content of the page, e.g. dropping the Topic etc. hundreds of pixels down the page. The only logical reason for this is to assure the user actually reads it. Its redundant in the sense that the data needs only be located "Official News & Patch Notes". If and when the user is in need or doubt of certain content regarding these intelligence, the user will surely head to the said page in their quest of enlightenment.

    New Discussion: This block could be moved above the search window and set on the same line as the title-bar. This will free up space for the Content Window.

    Content Window: Id est the Topic window. This window, as well as the commenting area etc., that are constrained by the value of the contents window, needs to be much wider. Currently it is a cramped area, both to read as well as to comment within. There is no logic in constraining the user with a limited area, that it consequently will cause he user to spend more time browsing, e.g. page amounts will go up the tighter the commenting area is. It neither is justifiable in connection with having large images etc. displayed since the site truncates the content to the width. Only reason I can see to have the contents in such a narrow area is for easy of transfer to mobile devices, but alas, are the majority of the users on those devices whilst on the site?
    While we are on the subject of confined spaces, the Commenting area itself is shifted to the right in order to make use of... the users avatar, which cuts below the commenting area. The comment area needs equal spacing on both sides, and have the area run below the users avatar.


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  • phaneub17_ESO
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    Is there an option to JUMP directly to a Staff post? It seems tedious having to go through page after page trying to find what a ZOS staff member posted in a thread that could be 5 pages, 11 pages, heck even 15 pages long.
  • KitLightning
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    @phaneub17_ESO‌

    Only visible hint to that is the Green snake logo icon-ouroboros-green.png on the topic title in the boards, though its not the same as with PoE or other sites...
    Edited by KitLightning on May 26, 2014 12:00AM
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  • phaneub17_ESO
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    @phaneub17_ESO‌

    Only visible hint to that is the Green snake logo icon-ouroboros-green.png on the topic title in the boards, though its not the same as with PoE or other sites...

    I see that, I click it. It takes me to a page in the thread, but doesn't take me to the first post by an Admin. I tried on multiple threads, it just takes me to a page with no responses from anyone from ZOS most of the time. Not even sure on the significance of the page it takes me to.

  • ZOS_MichelleA
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    I see that, I click it. It takes me to a page in the thread, but doesn't take me to the first post by an Admin. I tried on multiple threads, it just takes me to a page with no responses from anyone from ZOS most of the time. Not even sure on the significance of the page it takes me to.
    Thank you for the info, phaneub. Have you tried the staff post jump in multiple browsers, and/or have any sort of extensions that may be prohibiting a post jump?
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  • phaneub17_ESO
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    Only browser I use is Google Chrome. As for browser addons I use is the Google Cast and Remote Desktop for Chromecast which crashes every time I try to click a link via the Game Launcher and fails to open the page at all. Whenever I see a news article on the Game Launcher that I'm interested in, I have to open the browser and go to this site directly myself.
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