My issue isn't so much the dueling (though it can be annoying), it is the sorc pets on top of stations and NPCs. I think it would be better if outside of combat pets get despawned in towns. For the dueling, the NPC radius idea someone had seems great.

Nastassiya wrote: »

No, you're in a public place and the guards would enforce it if the law states we can't duel in public. As they do not permit it then we are fine to do this. Don't tell me that when you see me, in Vivec, I cant cover my face because it makes you uncomfortable do you?

I was suggesting that, as one of the options, the guards would enforce it, and ask you to stop.

As for that last part, I'd like to remind you that irl politics are frowned upon in the forums... so that opinion is not needed. Please do not bring that here.

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

Years ago, I promoted an idea I called "city limits". It would restrict many activities in any area that would be considered a city (places where you can zoom the world map past the standard zone zoom). I suggested mounts, dueling, pets and spells with extreme visual effects should not be allowed. I still think that I would like to have this implemented, but I'm sure there are players who would call it game-breaking.

I would not disable mounts (nor non-combat pets), since they aren't that disruptive. The others makes sense, yes.

EvilAutoTech wrote: »

However, you cannot tell other players that they are not allowed to use game features that they paid for. No dueling in town or near any wayshrine is just ridiculous.

Nobody has paid anything to duel. They're not losing anything by being asked to move, like.. 30-50 ft away from the wayshrine, out into the 'non-town' areas.

On the topic of tournaments... I absolutely suck at PvP, but that's a funky idea!

Arahallris wrote: »

The only player skills that need to be punishable are sorc pets. You could argue warden bears, though at least they're of the living plane and aren't flying in your face they get a free pass.

big fluffy butts in my way... trying to click on the shrine! But who's gonna tell a BEAR to move?!

I've not often had these behaviors affect me. But if it a justice system is to be implemented I would like a zone with a warning so people can move away if they want. These zones should only be near merchants/craft stations/writ turn-in areas.

The zone's effects would be as follows:

• Impossible to cast/activate skills, spells, momentos, and so forth.
• Gives a count down, from 5 - 1. At 1, all buffs/debuffs on the player are cleansed. (pets are buffs and thus dispelled)
• Dispel all powers and effects.
• Certain buffs would remain such as ESO+, XP pots, and other similar effects.

I would like it this way so people who are chilling with a friend while crafting can move away if they wish to keep their flappy friends summoned out. It should also prevent dueling with anything but light/heavy attacks.

danno8 wrote: »

Perhaps come up with a better solution than banning dueling in towns or fining those who do it.

It's not hard to just step outside town to duel.

SilverBride wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What city allows fighting in the streets? The guards uphold other common laws such as stealing, and if you attack an npc you will suffer consequences, so why allow dueling? Dueling is fighting.

Because both have agreed to the duel and will not accidently hurt others. An NPC doesn't agree to have his/her pockets picked or to be attacked.

And what about the innocent bystanders who get hit and are covered with ice for instance? Did they agree to be involved?

It doesn't matter if they agree to fight, or if others who unwillingly get hit by the effects are hurt or not. Logically, fighting in the streets is not acceptable behavior. Guards are there to uphold the laws and keep peace.

It doesn't hurt anyone if my Vampire accidentally uses her ultimate in town but she will get whacked down by the guards because of her transformation. And it doesn't hurt anyone if my Necromancer accidentally summons her minion in town, but she will suffer the same fate.

The guards don't tolerate anything that can be perceived as a violent act. So why is it logical that they turn their backs on players fighting?

You are applying logic from our world. Tamriel maybe duels are the accepted way to solve disputes while vampirism and necromancy is still frowned upon?

At least ban it anywhere near the bank, crafting stations and outfit stations.

A lots of people being annoying just the sake of it. I dont think they should be punished in some way because they don't really hurt anybody. Like spammers you can easily ignore them. But i think there should be "reduce" option for effects. It will probably help at a lots of cases. But i think punishing annoying people is unnecessary.

I'd prefer to have dueling disabled in towns and crafting stations. I don't think using the Justice System would help, not least because innocent passers-by often find themselves caught up in duels e.g. by their weapons being unsheathed and I'd hate them to get punished by the guards.

Tethilia wrote: »

One way we could fix dueling in towns is by making Dueling Pits in some outlaw havens.

Hammerdeath Arena is in a base game area and is designed for duelling.
Colosseum of the Old Ways in Artaeum gives you achievements for duelling there.
And almost every house (not starter apartments) can be turned into a duelling arena.

I like the idea of tavern brawls. But even in a tavern brawl, people either get ejected or arrested.

I'd be more than fine with certain areas being cordoned off from pets entering or dueling occurring, or maybe at least muting spammed abilities within the area.

Mind you, I myself have visual issues exacerbated by flashy spells (mostly healing staff, but some psijiic and templar abilities too). However, there are specific reasons that it would be a very bad idea to allow player characters, at the least, to go after others who 'disturb the peace'. And that is what is most commonly asked for by those wanting a 'justice system'. On the other hand, I managed to very easily, one night, while waiting for writs to stop, convince people to silence those gaudy spells. I stated that, at that point, my character was turning off the 'prevent attacking innocents', and, should someone else force her to become a target of such blinding spells, she would attack the nearest npc, and the bounty, because she was under their effects (it was healer staff uses, specifically, that time), would transfer to the one who had cast on her. I also pointed out that the character in question had maxed TG, DB, and legerdemain trees, so would actually end up with a far lesser bounty (and it would decrease faster) than theirs would, should they continue to harass me. It caused people to rethink, as it was a direct threat to their 'pocket books', and that generally is a smarter way to convince people not to continue annoying things. But, not everyone can do that. I just know that allowing players, especially to go after other players, even in a 'justice system' in a non-pvp area, is a very bad idea. And will always be so. There are reasons the only times I've ever been in cyrodiil have been to visit the golden vendor or to grab the tables needed for my house (I run guild house)...and I personally refuse to get involved in pvp at all. But allowing pcs to do that would be a very bad idea, because there are many who do not know restraint, and would not learn it from this.