Lol mistform better than cloak. Your argument is now invalid.
And yes the large issue with sloads is against shield and light armor users.
Also what do you mean that shields are an untouched defense machanic? They’ve been nerfed quite a lot and currently are affected by all types of damage. It’s not like shields are just impenetrable until the timer is up. Some of the most knowledgeable people in this game are calling Sloads OP. You just sound like you’re trying to make a sensational post for its own sake.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
wish there was a global cool down on receiving effects, as well as putting them out. its not the issue of taking 1 sloads- its 3 stacking. sload to the face like a load to the face
Skill:Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
combine sloads with durogs bane master dual wield dagger and axe with drain poisons and zan's gg its cancer
Working as intended. This game isn’t about player skill anymore - it’s about who hardcounters what. Don’t run solo.
I would say item-optimization is apart of the term "skill". Failing to pick the right gear for the job shows lack of skill in my opinion.
Back when the amount of proc-sets where a lot less than it is today it was all about stacking stats, which was incredibly boring. Personally don´t want to go back to that (I´m not implying certain sets doesn´t need re-balance). Proc-sets (both offensive and defensive ones) makes PvP more interesting and more fun.
No it’s not lol. Skill -> player skill.
Item optimization definitely played into the strengths of a player in the past. A good player made much better use of stat gear sets than others because they enhanced what a player was already capable of. They didn’t outright do the work for you.
However, this is no longer the case. Slot Sloads, or Shieldbreaker, or Skoria, etc on a tanky build and watch your armor sets do the work for you. Armor sets doing the work diminishes the need for player skill to be the vast majority of what decides an outcome. So in essence, what was once a bad player with no skill could barely hurt you. Due to powerful proc sets that do the work for them, these bad players are now on the level of what was once considered a “decent” player who can truly apply pressure.
Add in tons of nerfs to solo players overtime and RIP - that is why solo play is no longer a thing in Cyrodiil to any great effect like it once was. There is a reason Viper was nerfed. It looks like ZOS learned nothing from that.
the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance
Selecting the right gear for the job is a part of the term skill, not matter how cheap you might consider the tactic to be (as long as it´s not an exploit or a cheat).
The next section is taken form an article that can be found here: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-winComplaining that you don't want to do X in a game because "it doesn't take skill" is a common scrub complaint. The concept of "skill" is yet another excuse to add fictional rules and avoid making the best moves. Curiously, scrubs often talk about how they have skill whereas other players—very much including the ones who beat them flat out—do not have skill. This might be some sort of ego defense mechanism where people define "skill" as whatever subset of the game they're good at and then elevate that above actually trying to win.
I´m not defending sload, but this talk about "skill" is getting kind of meh....
Emma_Overload wrote: »Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
No skilled nightblade would run shieldbreaker lmao
The first Nightblade to kill me with SB was literally Sypher, who was the king of meta Nightblades at the time.
Don't kid yourself, good players use crutch sets, too.
wish there was a global cool down on receiving effects, as well as putting them out. its not the issue of taking 1 sloads- its 3 stacking. sload to the face like a load to the faceSkill:Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
combine sloads with durogs bane master dual wield dagger and axe with drain poisons and zan's gg its cancer
Working as intended. This game isn’t about player skill anymore - it’s about who hardcounters what. Don’t run solo.
I would say item-optimization is apart of the term "skill". Failing to pick the right gear for the job shows lack of skill in my opinion.
Back when the amount of proc-sets where a lot less than it is today it was all about stacking stats, which was incredibly boring. Personally don´t want to go back to that (I´m not implying certain sets doesn´t need re-balance). Proc-sets (both offensive and defensive ones) makes PvP more interesting and more fun.
No it’s not lol. Skill -> player skill.
Item optimization definitely played into the strengths of a player in the past. A good player made much better use of stat gear sets than others because they enhanced what a player was already capable of. They didn’t outright do the work for you.
However, this is no longer the case. Slot Sloads, or Shieldbreaker, or Skoria, etc on a tanky build and watch your armor sets do the work for you. Armor sets doing the work diminishes the need for player skill to be the vast majority of what decides an outcome. So in essence, what was once a bad player with no skill could barely hurt you. Due to powerful proc sets that do the work for them, these bad players are now on the level of what was once considered a “decent” player who can truly apply pressure.
Add in tons of nerfs to solo players overtime and RIP - that is why solo play is no longer a thing in Cyrodiil to any great effect like it once was. There is a reason Viper was nerfed. It looks like ZOS learned nothing from that.
the ability to use one's knowledge effectively and readily in execution or performance
Selecting the right gear for the job is a part of the term skill, not matter how cheap you might consider the tactic to be (as long as it´s not an exploit or a cheat).
The next section is taken form an article that can be found here: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-winComplaining that you don't want to do X in a game because "it doesn't take skill" is a common scrub complaint. The concept of "skill" is yet another excuse to add fictional rules and avoid making the best moves. Curiously, scrubs often talk about how they have skill whereas other players—very much including the ones who beat them flat out—do not have skill. This might be some sort of ego defense mechanism where people define "skill" as whatever subset of the game they're good at and then elevate that above actually trying to win.
I´m not defending sload, but this talk about "skill" is getting kind of meh....
If you need to use an Internet definition of a word to prove a point instead of constructively using your intelligence, you already lost.
Not to mention the obvious lack of common sense in understanding the definition that you used. Ironical and amusing.
Anyways...Emma_Overload wrote: »Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
No skilled nightblade would run shieldbreaker lmao
The first Nightblade to kill me with SB was literally Sypher, who was the king of meta Nightblades at the time.
Don't kid yourself, good players use crutch sets, too.
This. I always keep the set in my backpack just in case I run into some shield stacking or permablocking smartass.
Working as intended. This game isn’t about player skill anymore - it’s about who hardcounters what. Don’t run solo.
BWAHAHA this got me bursting in a laugh in the middle of a subway trainCage_Lizardman wrote: »Nightblades need to die more.
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
combine sloads with durogs bane master dual wield dagger and axe with drain poisons and zan's gg its cancer
Working as intended. This game isn’t about player skill anymore - it’s about who hardcounters what. Don’t run solo.
I would say item-optimization is apart of the term "skill". Failing to pick the right gear for the job shows lack of skill in my opinion.
Back when the amount of proc-sets where a lot less than it is today it was all about stacking stats, which was incredibly boring. Personally don´t want to go back to that (I´m not implying certain sets doesn´t need re-balance). Proc-sets (both offensive and defensive ones) makes PvP more interesting and more fun.
Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
No skilled nightblade would run shieldbreaker lmao
Micah_Bayer wrote: »Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
No skilled nightblade would run shieldbreaker lmao
Miat wears shield breaker and he is one of the best in the game.
I know a few streamers who now specifically target anyone they can tell is wearing sloads in battlegrounds now. They've explained their reasoning for not using it/wanting it nerfed is that they don't have fun playing against it, and it will take people away from PVP, which doesn't have a huge population anyways. I'll probably make a set on Xbox when it comes out, and I don't see it as something that'll make or break someone's opinion of their PVP experience. If anything, maybe newcomers will think "Oh a go-to set I can use for PVP" and they'll give it another shot.
I finally had a death where sloads showed up on the death recap. Pathetic damage.
5700 over 7 ticks
I doubt I will craft a set up anymore.
Clearly its all sorcs and NB whining about, probably well over half the pvp players represented there. Scrub talk is loud atm.