Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
Ectheliontnacil wrote: »Is this another issue of "how to trigger the forums in one sentence"? ^^
Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
Youtubers say it's OP therefore it's OP
Don't you know the rules here or something?
Sload is not OP in a vacuum. Sload can become OP when combined with specific gameplay mechanics, when multiple procs stack on 1 person OR because of the incorrect classification of Oblivion Damage that prevents cloak suppressing the DoT effect.
Unfortunately I think you need to consider that when debating balance, not how something performs in a vacuum but it’s interaction with other mechanics.
Edit: nothing is individually OP and everything has a counter. It is the interaction that things have with the remainder of the gaming environment that can create problematic outliers and undesirable situations where balance does not exist. So on the surface you’re right, Sload’s isn’t OP. But in reality, because of the interaction it has with many mechanics(major defile and bleeds specifically) it is too strong in some outlier situations
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Zaan.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Zaan.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
dude, this set averages more than caluurion after mitigation and proc times
Drummerx04 wrote: »I'll comment here as well.
When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.
Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.
Three sorcs applying haunting curse at the same time to one stamblade will melt faster than your metaphorical sorc will. And no proc set is necessary to make that scenario happen.
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Zaan.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.
dude, this set averages more than caluurion after mitigation and proc times
Most DoTs (or delayed burst attacks) equate to higher damage than instant burst abilities.
Sload is not OP in a vacuum. Sload can become OP when combined with specific gameplay mechanics, when multiple procs stack on 1 person OR because of the incorrect classification of Oblivion Damage that prevents cloak suppressing the DoT effect.
Unfortunately I think you need to consider that when debating balance, not how something performs in a vacuum but it’s interaction with other mechanics.
Edit: nothing is individually OP and everything has a counter. It is the interaction that things have with the remainder of the gaming environment that can create problematic outliers and undesirable situations where balance does not exist. So on the surface you’re right, Sload’s isn’t OP. But in reality, because of the interaction it has with many mechanics(major defile and bleeds specifically) it is too strong in some outlier situations
Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.
Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.
ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.
So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.
If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.
If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.
If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.
Cheers, and may the proc be with you.
As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.