Sloads is not OP

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.

Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.

ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.

So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.

If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.

If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.

If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.

Cheers, and may the proc be with you.

As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

4chan-ish comments coming below

Drummerx04 · May 2018

I'll comment here as well.

When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.

Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.

ll_Rev · May 2018

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I'll comment here as well.

When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.

Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.

No skilled nightblade would run shieldbreaker lmao

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I'll comment here as well.

When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.

Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.

Three sorcs applying haunting curse at the same time to one stamblade will melt faster than your metaphorical sorc will. And no proc set is necessary to make that scenario happen.

Ectheliontnacil · May 2018

Is this another issue of "how to trigger the forums in one sentence"? ^^

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

Is this another issue of "how to trigger the forums in one sentence"? ^^

Eatin popcorn wanna join me

Kova · May 2018

zyk · May 2018

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I'll comment here as well.

When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.

Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.

I don't think that's true at all. I think there's a wide consensus among experienced PVP players that Shieldbreaker represents bad game design and promotes poor gameplay. Even among those who use it.

The same goes for proc damage sets and poisons.

Before Vipers was updated to V16 and available in Impen, we had Camohunter gank builds that were widely despised in ESO 2.2. ZOS recognized this and changed Camohunter completely, but then followed up by updating sets like Vipers and introducing Velidreth, Selene, Tremorscale, etc...

Like with Camohunter, ZOS responded to the widespread dislike of Vipers and Tremorscale by changing them, only to follow up with even more more proc sets like Zaan and Sloads.

This is pitiful game design meant to raise the floor and lower the ceiling which is toxic to PVP game design. It is a big reason why ESO PVP isn't popular compared to other PVP games. True PVP players don't want this RNG garbage and polarizing sets and abilities with few or no counters.

Voxicity · May 2018

Youtubers say it's OP therefore it's OP

Don't you know the rules here or something?

WaltherCarraway · May 2018

Voxicity wrote: »

Youtubers say it's OP therefore it's OP

Don't you know the rules here or something?

Makes me think of the Mother Sorrow “pre-grind” fest before Morrowind just because Alcast had the set on his PTS build.

ZOS nerfed the set on last minute, what a twist.

Voxicity · May 2018

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

Voxicity wrote: »

Youtubers say it's OP therefore it's OP

Don't you know the rules here or something?

Makes me think of the Mother Sorrow “pre-grind” fest before Morrowind just because Alcast had the set on his PTS build.

ZOS nerfed the set on last minute, what a twist.

I remember that

Was a good meem

BRCOURTN · May 2018

I know a few streamers who now specifically target anyone they can tell is wearing sloads in battlegrounds now. They've explained their reasoning for not using it/wanting it nerfed is that they don't have fun playing against it, and it will take people away from PVP, which doesn't have a huge population anyways. I'll probably make a set on Xbox when it comes out, and I don't see it as something that'll make or break someone's opinion of their PVP experience. If anything, maybe newcomers will think "Oh a go-to set I can use for PVP" and they'll give it another shot.

Cage_Lizardman · May 2018

Just please don't nerf it before I have the time to make one and play with it.

Cloak needs better counters. Nightblades need to die more.

Lexxypwns · May 2018

Sload is not OP in a vacuum. Sload can become OP when combined with specific gameplay mechanics, when multiple procs stack on 1 person OR because of the incorrect classification of Oblivion Damage that prevents cloak suppressing the DoT effect.

Unfortunately I think you need to consider that when debating balance, not how something performs in a vacuum but it’s interaction with other mechanics.

Edit: nothing is individually OP and everything has a counter. It is the interaction that things have with the remainder of the gaming environment that can create problematic outliers and undesirable situations where balance does not exist. So on the surface you’re right, Sload’s isn’t OP. But in reality, because of the interaction it has with many mechanics(major defile and bleeds specifically) it is too strong in some outlier situations

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Sload is not OP in a vacuum. Sload can become OP when combined with specific gameplay mechanics, when multiple procs stack on 1 person OR because of the incorrect classification of Oblivion Damage that prevents cloak suppressing the DoT effect.

Unfortunately I think you need to consider that when debating balance, not how something performs in a vacuum but it’s interaction with other mechanics.

Edit: nothing is individually OP and everything has a counter. It is the interaction that things have with the remainder of the gaming environment that can create problematic outliers and undesirable situations where balance does not exist. So on the surface you’re right, Sload’s isn’t OP. But in reality, because of the interaction it has with many mechanics(major defile and bleeds specifically) it is too strong in some outlier situations

You're not wrong, but a lot of things become OP when used with other mechanics. For example Caluurion is meh if used at range, by unavoidable at melee range. Caluurion is also by nature a little random about when it procs. When used by a magblade with shadowy disguise however, you can reliably time your burst around the proc.

In reference to it becoming OP when stacked...
In a 1v1 scenario Haunting Curse is strong, but as long as you don't get reckless it won't put you in Endless Fury range. Get multiple curses on you however, and you're dead. And there's nothing you can do about it as a stamblade.

Gprime31 · May 2018

If you need proc sets... you are bad. Period

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

Gprime31 wrote: »

If you need proc sets... you are bad. Period

Prepare to get killed by a lot of bad people.

Malacthulhu · May 2018

Did you equip the 5th piece, jk. Good post op.

ezio45 · May 2018

Daus wrote: »

Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.

Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.

ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.

So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.

If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.

If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Zaan.

If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.

Cheers, and may the proc be with you.

As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.

dude, this set averages more than caluurion after mitigation and proc times

also im sorry you havent learned how to kill sorcs by now and are this bitter about it, idk maybe slot shieldbreaker or just learn to stun more effectively instead of mindlessly spamming wrecking blow or whatever

ezio45 · May 2018

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I'll comment here as well.

When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.

Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.

sloads also is worse than shield breaker average dps wise......

and i say that as a sorc who hates both sets

Strider__Roshin · May 2018

ezio45 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.

Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.

ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.

So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.

If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.

If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Zaan.

If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.

Cheers, and may the proc be with you.

As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.

dude, this set averages more than caluurion after mitigation and proc times

Most DoTs (or delayed burst attacks) equate to higher damage than instant burst abilities.

DanteYoda · May 2018

If a lot of customers instantly use it and do way to well with it that is by definition overpowered..

ezio45 · May 2018

Daus wrote: »

Drummerx04 wrote: »

I'll comment here as well.

When sorcs complained about shieldbreaker, the community pretty collectively told them to suck it up. Now oblivion damage sets affect everyone and they think it's OP.

Come talk to me when you get ambushed on your magsorc by three skilled stamblades wearing shieldbreaker.

Three sorcs applying haunting curse at the same time to one stamblade will melt faster than your metaphorical sorc will. And no proc set is necessary to make that scenario happen.

again maybe 3 haunting curses will MAYBE *** a stam blade up more than sloads and thats even questionale

ezio45 · May 2018

Daus wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.

Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.

ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.

So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.

If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.

If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Zaan.

If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.

Cheers, and may the proc be with you.

As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.

dude, this set averages more than caluurion after mitigation and proc times

Most DoTs (or delayed burst attacks) equate to higher damage than instant burst abilities.

yes so why are we having this discussion? an unmitigated dot?

if you cant live thru caluurion then you cant live thru sloads

and caluurion is a set not an ability

Lake · May 2018

I'm expecting a nerf anyway since all the top streamers (many of whom are also class reps and community ambassadors) keep aggressively campaigning against it, even attacking Wrobel and threatening to never play Battlegrounds or whatever.

NightbladeMechanics · May 2018

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Sload is not OP in a vacuum. Sload can become OP when combined with specific gameplay mechanics, when multiple procs stack on 1 person OR because of the incorrect classification of Oblivion Damage that prevents cloak suppressing the DoT effect.

Unfortunately I think you need to consider that when debating balance, not how something performs in a vacuum but it’s interaction with other mechanics.

Edit: nothing is individually OP and everything has a counter. It is the interaction that things have with the remainder of the gaming environment that can create problematic outliers and undesirable situations where balance does not exist. So on the surface you’re right, Sload’s isn’t OP. But in reality, because of the interaction it has with many mechanics(major defile and bleeds specifically) it is too strong in some outlier situations

Gah, I came in here to say this. Hi Lexxy. lol

Dredlord · May 2018

I finally had a death where sloads showed up on the death recap. Pathetic damage.

5700 over 7 ticks

I doubt I will craft a set up anymore.

Clearly its all sorcs and NB whining about, probably well over half the pvp players represented there. Scrub talk is loud atm.

degarmo_ESO · May 2018

Time for a no-CP, all naked, no buff/potion/mundus PVP home instance.

Nyladreas · May 2018

Daus wrote: »

Yeah that's right it's not OP. As a matter of fact I encourage you to use it since it will increase my survivability as a medium armor wearer. Here's the truth of the matter, Sloads is weak against non-cloak medium armored builds because we're used to undodgeable proc sets that rip through our health. Want to really destroy a medium armor build? Use Caluurion or Zaan. What Sloads is strong against are cloaking Nightblades, and play styles that rely on damage shields. Thinking about using Caluurion, Sloads' and Zaan/Skoria? Go right ahead. If you're going against a competent player like me you'll die first because you're not spec'd for resource management or survivability.

Damage shields is an untouched defense mechanic when it comes to abilities, and mist form is a better escape than both cloak and streak in most cases. Both of these defense mechanics are the most affected by Sload's and I say it's about time.

ZOS I would actually like to see more oblivion damage in PvE because if you think shields are strong in PvP they are way stronger in PvE.

So if you want to use a proc set; may I suggest thinking about what kind of opponent gives you a hard time, and spec accordingly.

If you struggle against medium armored builds then go with Skoria, Zaan or Caluurion.

If you struggle against cloaking Nightblades or magSorcs then go with Sloads.

If you struggle against magplars then go with Duroks, and use minor defile poisons.

Cheers, and may the proc be with you.

As a disclaimer, if it were up to me I'd make it so no damaging proc sets affected players, and I would make snake blood (alchemy passive) reduce the potency of poisons applied on you in order to make this game as competitive and skill based as possible, but I'm not in change of balance. So we need to either adapt to the proc meta or continue raging. Your choice.

This is exactly what I've been saying for days... -.-

As a non-gank stamina NB I confirm. Both CP and NonCP is where I hang too. So your arguments are invalid.

Also I'm NOT using mistform.

Vapirko · May 2018

Lol mistform better than cloak. Your argument is now invalid.

And yes the large issue with sloads is against shield and light armor users.

Also what do you mean that shields are an untouched defense machanic? They’ve been nerfed quite a lot and currently are affected by all types of damage. It’s not like shields are just impenetrable until the timer is up. Some of the most knowledgeable people in this game are calling Sloads OP. You just sound like you’re trying to make a sensational post for its own sake.