PlagueMonk wrote: »

I AM SO *****sick of Zenimax making Argonians mediocre at everything, not following their own damn lore (or website description), continuing to cling to unique but horrible racials (potion passive) and unwilling to give this race the respect it deserves. I am now thoroughly convinced Worbel and the other decision makers are ALL Dark Elves.

ZOS made Argonians the best healers with their first changes. But, i guess, bc of QQ in PTS-Forum they reverted it. 9% more healing done was great (even for tanks...stronger vigor). Second thing, the potion passive is imo good. When you need ressources you are usually drinking a potion and you'll get some ressources back, i don't know what everyone is complaining about...

Is the Witch-hunt festival no longer on the PTS?
I can't seem to find The Crow Caller in the Crown Store.

argouru wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Lol a lot of new characters will be deleted now...

Why no magic damage racial for any race?

I agree. Orcs get a weapon damage buff and Khajiit get a crit buff, but no one gets a spell damage buff.

Because you have Dunmers dealing 7% more dmg with flame and 2% more damage with frost and shock, which means they can play any class magicka and be at the highest damage dealers, since end game we ALL use inferno malstrom staves, id even bet that Dunmer sorcs will out dps Altmer only due to that 7% fire damage passive, especially when combined with 12% more dmg with inferno stave heavy attack passive from Destro skill.

Then you have Altmers dealing 4% fire, frost and shock .

So you have two races than gain a buff to elemental damage.

Nords, as end game tanks, are a bit more viable now, but still an imperial or an Orc seems better due to max stats or healing recieved imo.

Destruent wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I AM SO *****sick of Zenimax making Argonians mediocre at everything, not following their own damn lore (or website description), continuing to cling to unique but horrible racials (potion passive) and unwilling to give this race the respect it deserves. I am now thoroughly convinced Worbel and the other decision makers are ALL Dark Elves.

ZOS made Argonians the best healers with their first changes. But, i guess, bc of QQ in PTS-Forum they reverted it. 9% more healing done was great (even for tanks...stronger vigor). Second thing, the potion passive is imo good. When you need ressources you are usually drinking a potion and you'll get some ressources back, i don't know what everyone is complaining about...

All argonians had to do with the initial changes was go from stamina tank to magika tank, Templar magika tank, DK magika Igneus shield+ inhale + Dragon blood, and Nightblade Magika Sap tank only sorc magika tanks would have needed resto staff on back bar. I have a Nightblade vamp high elf magicka sap tank thats tanked all content minus sanctum and maw in crap gear so far was thinking of making the argonian switch still am to be honest.

ZoM_Head wrote: »

argouru wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Lol a lot of new characters will be deleted now...

Why no magic damage racial for any race?

I agree. Orcs get a weapon damage buff and Khajiit get a crit buff, but no one gets a spell damage buff.

Because you have Dunmers dealing 7% more dmg with flame and 2% more damage with frost and shock, which means they can play any class magicka and be at the highest damage dealers, since end game we ALL use inferno malstrom staves, id even bet that Dunmer sorcs will out dps Altmer only due to that 7% fire damage passive, especially when combined with 12% more dmg with inferno stave heavy attack passive from Destro skill.

Then you have Altmers dealing 4% fire, frost and shock .

So you have two races than gain a buff to elemental damage.

Nords, as end game tanks, are a bit more viable now, but still an imperial or an Orc seems better due to max stats or healing recieved imo.

Dunmer flame damage isn't even working correctly on the PTS, if it goes live that way you have nothing to worry about.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Is the Witch-hunt festival no longer on the PTS?
I can't seem to find The Crow Caller in the Crown Store.

No, the event is no longer on the PTS. We received a lot of great feedback, and at this point needed to test the activation/deactivation process to make sure the event turns on and off properly.

Hopefully, QA is checking to make sure that the stuff that should be working after the event still works, and the stuff that should not be available after the event, is not available. The change from NA to EU characters means that players cannot poke at this for you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

DeadDealer wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno hey, no new achievements for new dungeons?

There are new achievements for the two new dungeons. Do you not see them on the list?

Dubhliam wrote: »

Is the Witch-hunt festival no longer on the PTS?
I can't seem to find The Crow Caller in the Crown Store.

No, the event is no longer on the PTS. We received a lot of great feedback, and at this point needed to test the activation/deactivation process to make sure the event turns on and off properly.

Anhedonie wrote: »

Synergies are broken now and often doesn't show up.

We need a little more information if this is the case. How are they broken? Is it all synergies, or just specific ones?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Ever since the radius of use of synergies started to be played with there have been some major issues activating synergies.

Being able to use a synergy seems to be based on 2 criteria.

Criteria 1: Time from the initial placement of the effect.

Criteria 2: Distance from the effect.

It seems like sometimes there is a time aspect of synergy use. For example a synergy flashes for a split second, but disappear only to reappear if I fidget my character around in place.

It seems like sometimes I have to move way too much to use a synergy and other times I can be very far from an effects location, but still use the synergy.

Some strange synergy occurences.

DK Standard: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of DK Standard being cast. This probably occurs because the synergy radius is extremely small.

Super Nova: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of Nova being cast. This probably occurs because the synergy radius is extremely small.

Orbs: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of Orbs passing me. This probably occurs because orbs move around.

Bone Shield: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of the team mate with shield passing by me. This probably occurs because orbs move around.

Templar Shards: The synergy can sometime be used after a players has ran past the shards location maybe up to 8 meters away so long as a player travels that amount of distance in such a short time that the synergy use button has not yet vanished.

All of these issues are not exclusive to the current PTS. These issues have been live for what seems like forever. Many players have tried to discuss this issue and this is yet another problem that is frustrating to tanks. Every tank that I know is really tired of having to find these synergies because of how inconsistent they are in appearing and how much unnecessary movement that these synergies may require to trigger their synergy key to pop up.

I hope that my description helps. I forgot to add the synergy bugs to my laundry list thread - I will try to get a video up. Thank you.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

DeadDealer wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno hey, no new achievements for new dungeons?

There are new achievements for the two new dungeons. Do you not see them on the list?

Dubhliam wrote: »

Is the Witch-hunt festival no longer on the PTS?
I can't seem to find The Crow Caller in the Crown Store.

No, the event is no longer on the PTS. We received a lot of great feedback, and at this point needed to test the activation/deactivation process to make sure the event turns on and off properly.

Anhedonie wrote: »

Synergies are broken now and often doesn't show up.

We need a little more information if this is the case. How are they broken? Is it all synergies, or just specific ones?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Ever since the radius of use of synergies started to be played with there have been some major issues activating synergies.

Being able to use a synergy seems to be based on 2 criteria.

Criteria 1: Time from the initial placement of the effect.

Criteria 2: Distance from the effect.

It seems like sometimes there is a time aspect of synergy use. For example a synergy flashes for a split second, but disappear only to reappear if I fidget my character around in place.

It seems like sometimes I have to move way too much to use a synergy and other times I can be very far from an effects location, but still use the synergy.

Some strange synergy occurences.

DK Standard: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of DK Standard being cast. This probably occurs because the synergy radius is extremely small.

Super Nova: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of DK Standard being cast. This probably occurs because the synergy radius is extremely small.

Orbs: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of DK Standard being cast. This probably occurs because orbs move around.

Bone Shield: The synergy is almost impossible to find if it is not used immediately and I can usually only use it if I I manage to click the synergy button within a second of DK Standard being cast. This probably occurs because orbs move around.

Templar Shards: The synergy can sometime be used after a players has ran past the shards location maybe up to 8 meters away so long as a player travels that amount of distance in such a short time that the synergy use button has not yet vanished.

All of these issues are not exclusive to the current PTS. These issues have been live for what seems like forever. Many players have tried to discuss this issue and this is yet another problem that is frustrating to tanks. Every tank that I know is really tired of having to find these synergies because of how inconsistent they are in appearing and how much unnecessary movement that these synergies may require to trigger their synergy key to pop up.

I hope that my description helps. I forgot to add the synergy bugs to my laundry list thread - I will try to get a video up. Thank you.

Thanks, this helps a lot! We'll dig into this and see if there's a reason why syngeries seem to be so difficult to trigger.

I noticed that I didn't update some of my copy and pastes when originally writing the post. I edited the post so it is more clear.

Thank you @ZOS_GinaBruno for passing this along.

Shadesofkin wrote: »

ZoM_Head wrote: »

argouru wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Lol a lot of new characters will be deleted now...

Why no magic damage racial for any race?

I agree. Orcs get a weapon damage buff and Khajiit get a crit buff, but no one gets a spell damage buff.

Because you have Dunmers dealing 7% more dmg with flame and 2% more damage with frost and shock, which means they can play any class magicka and be at the highest damage dealers, since end game we ALL use inferno malstrom staves, id even bet that Dunmer sorcs will out dps Altmer only due to that 7% fire damage passive, especially when combined with 12% more dmg with inferno stave heavy attack passive from Destro skill.

Then you have Altmers dealing 4% fire, frost and shock .

So you have two races than gain a buff to elemental damage.

Nords, as end game tanks, are a bit more viable now, but still an imperial or an Orc seems better due to max stats or healing recieved imo.

Dunmer flame damage isn't even working correctly on the PTS, if it goes live that way you have nothing to worry about.

That is why its a PTS

Destruent wrote: »

PlagueMonk wrote: »

I AM SO *****sick of Zenimax making Argonians mediocre at everything, not following their own damn lore (or website description), continuing to cling to unique but horrible racials (potion passive) and unwilling to give this race the respect it deserves. I am now thoroughly convinced Worbel and the other decision makers are ALL Dark Elves.

ZOS made Argonians the best healers with their first changes. But, i guess, bc of QQ in PTS-Forum they reverted it. 9% more healing done was great (even for tanks...stronger vigor). Second thing, the potion passive is imo good. When you need ressources you are usually drinking a potion and you'll get some ressources back, i don't know what everyone is complaining about...

ACTUALLY, someone showed through testing that Bretons and Altmers BOTH had comparable healing ability to the Argonian WITH 9% healing. Just because it says 9% better healing, doesn't make them automatically better at healing than the other races. You would be AMAZED at what 10% more magicka can do. So while that 9% may have made them roughly equal to an Altmer's healing (and maybe 1-2% better), an Altmer/Breton conversely can ALSO use that extra magicka to do other things like DPS, while Argonians are still left being only good at..........healing.

As for the potion passive, like the healing bonus it looks good on paper until you start looking under the hood at the mechanics and realize it has some major flaws no one seems to want to acknowledge let alone discuss.

What are those flaws?

a) We only get our "bonus" once every 45 secs (a bit less if you invest CP or wear certain gear). What that means is (based on say 33k stam, and 20 health) about 4000 stam and 2500 life back over others. That alone is good but having it only available once every 45 secs sucks. I also use the term "available" because most don't just chug a pot when they can...you WAIT until you need it. So that often means your "bonus" gets diluted even more by that wait time. Now if you do chug a pot whenever you can it will get extraordinarily expensive (see below)

b) It costs us resources to get that bonus. No other racial passive in the game relies on an outside source to gain our bonus. Let me repeat that again for you.....NO OTHER RACIAL PASSIVE REQUIRES RESOURCES TO GET THAT BONUS. No potion, no bonus. I don't see any other race with that limitation. Altmer's don't need to eat a certain food every 15 mins to keep their extra magicka or Bosmers don't have to keep a certain poison on their weapons to get their stamina regen. No, they get their bonuses 24/7, rain or shine, while we only get our bonus based on very specific circumstances.

Not only that but those resources cost money to either buy, make or find. I'm sure you will counter with......"but green pots are cheap and easy to find!" Well you are missing the point, no other race has to worry about having to have even a cheap potion on them. Hell we aren't even compensated for this fact by having the bonus be much higher to offset the negatives. Sorry but I would much rather have the Altmer's max magicka, Bosmer's stam regen, or Khajiit's weapon crit WAY before this passive.

And the fact that you don't get why we are complaining says it all. You either dont play an Argonian regularly to see our shortcomings first hand or you just have blinders on and don't see how much better the other races are by comparison.

Why does it seem the deves just don't want to make Argonians really good at something?

Every race needs a good game mechanic, the lore and look of a race is important, but ultimately means nothing if there so middle of the road as to be good at nothing and at a disadvantage compared to other races.
Race is supposed to be a flavor, a player choice that should not unduly effect the game.
You can play any class with any race using any armour or weapon.
But because the race abilities effect that, We have a situation where some races are really good some types of class builds.

ok fine but then all races need to have a meaningful ability to bring to a character build.

Argonians pay gold or resources by having to use a potion to trigger 12% max stat ability.
using cheep or drop potions to achieve this, means your using weak and barely useful potions that wont buff you.
while this ability is useful there needs to be something else. Something distinctive that makes them better at something.

Being a best healer or doing more magic damage is some of the thing suggested here in this forum.
There are supposed to be shadowscale among them. extra poison damage, tighter detection range, cast stealth abilities lasting longer.
.
There has to be something there actually good at that matters, swimming speed is nothing more then fluff, situational at best.
for my 2 cents worth. Better healing done and received is good but much higher healing done 9% and 5% received.
Along with cheaper use of a Restoration staff.

Also dunmer racial passive is broken and doesn't increase flame damage at rank 2 and 3.

I'd like to see Argonian Synergize more with poisons

Put a 10 second cooldown (or 20) on the potion drinking passive; allow it to go off whenever you poison a target with poison as well.