@Cogo fair enough

I'll take your post as a compliment.

Cogo wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

@Cogo fair enough

I'll take your post as a compliment.

It actually was with love. I would still throw you in jail though!

Like you could catch me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwyBK0p81Wk

FatalDarkness wrote: »

Those who say “it’s ok because it’s not a reportable offense” are missing the point. As an analogy, it’s not illegal for me to cut you off in traffic and give you the finger. What’s legal or permitted by the rules has nothing to do with what is ethical and right.

The way I see it is it’s a flaw in the game design. Allowing this type of mechanic creates a hostile play environment. When I see another player of my own faction in a PVE setting, I want to think to myself “oh good, maybe that person is working toward the same goal and perhaps we can work together and help each other.” Not, “oh crap, that jerk is going to steal that chest/resource node/whatever after I cleared out all the mobs to get to it.”

IMHO, when encountering other players that are supposed to be allies becomes a negative experience too often because the game mechanics make anti-social behavior more rewarding (and without any risks or negative consequences), the developers should re-evaluate that design.

Even though I highly agree that people who just wait their oppertunity is acting very unethical and in my case as an orc, have no honor, hence no value.

BUT, Tamriel is a world full of all kinds of people and creatures with even more different views, builds, looks and behavior.

You are wrong that this leads to anti-social behavior. It actually leads to a more interactive, and lively world. This is not a crime, since the chest belongs to no one. It is not an exploit. It is a fact that we are different players with different views.

It adds to the world and the creation of the community that already exists.

This goes both ways. Since its fully possible to "steal" something found out in the world, then there is also the choice another player does when they see someone fighting a mob, to later get to the node/chest/item, whatever.

Some people choose to move on.

Tamriel is not a very kind world. We have to deal with it. This is actually a feature that works and fits perfectly in ESO, you chose what to do.....But also face the effects of it.

Just because we are the same alliance, does not mean all characters have the same interests and goals. This adds to the game.

I still would kick the *** in jail if I could, but I see no reason for any game change.

Blackwidow wrote: »

Requiemslove wrote: »

This train of thought does not work because chests, are NOT an enemy, or a thing to be overcome

Sure they are. They are a slightly challenging puzzle.

By your reasoning though, if a stranger helped you end the life of a dangerous foe, who could have defeated you solo, you would then go and do something, then suddenly see the ghost of that player who helped you, having tried to then go and solo that enemy [because for some reason the, as example dungeon boss did not trigger as complete for that stranger] and you would move on, leaving that player to attempt the enemy again and again, getting more stressed out because that player helped you but you wouldn't return the favour. Newsflash for you, whenever another player helps you defeat an enemy that's teamwork. Seriously, you have to think of the situation.

That was a huge leap in logic and complete B.S.

Of course I would help a person defeat a monster, even if he did not help me first.

I never said all the other pve players were my enemies, just not my teammates either.

Its not a leap in logic. You play as you play. All this thread has been is you trying to salve your conscience. Seriously this thread ought never been. You're just human, like everyone else and we all have malleable ever changing ethical values depending on our moods. Hey, I done gone flying past others fighting mobs for a chest and looted it too [but never when they are actually picking the lock/or on CD...in that case chest is already theirs], as have I rushed on to complete a quest or dungeon leaving others to their fates though I usually help them as are helpful to me. Difference is unlike you I didn't make no threads to validate my crappy actions in game. Seriously you are human so expect to be a bad one every now and then. [or all the time if like you are always in a bad mood or whatever and just don't give a damn]

Requiemslove wrote: »

Its not a leap in logic.

Sure it is, you get one glimpse of one action I have done in the game and from that you extrapolate I would never help anyone in any situation?

You play as you play.

That is deep. You should make a bumper sticker.

All this thread has been is you trying to salve your conscience.

No it's not. I did not feel bad about what I did, I just wanted to have a discussion on the matter.

I like to talk about social aspects of the game and see what others think.

Seriously this thread ought never been.

Yet, you keep posting on it, just like everyone else.

You're just human, like everyone else and we all have malleable ever changing ethical values depending on our moods.

And yet you think you have me all figured out from this one action.

Hey, I done gone flying past others fighting mobs for a chest and looted it too

I've never done that. That is a real prick move as far as I am concerned.

That does not mean I think you are a bad person.

This irks me because I'm a polite person. If I even see someone near a resource node, I wait until they're away from it before I approach it. Is it wrong to take the chest in your situation? No... game mechanics allow for it. Do I personally think it's rude? Yes. I wouldn't even attempt the chest until the person gave up on it. Frankly, there is nothing in a chest that would make me push my way in for a shot at opening it, then again, there never would be anything worth turning rude over. I would rather be polite. That means more to me. I, however, do not think too unkindly of those who are resource pushy though. It's not like it affects me IRL.

Belitseri wrote: »

I would rather be polite. That means more to me.

You know, in all honesty... I agree. When it comes down to doing something dickish—even if the mechanics allow for it—it's all about how you feel walking away from it. And the truth is it feels nice to be nice.

lecarcajou_ESO wrote: »

it's all about how you feel walking away from it. And the truth is it feels nice to be nice.

That feeling when someone tries to ninja your node and you walk away with it, "Yeah b**** it's mine! I owned your ass"

You're talking about conscience. However, conscience may not be the same for most people and would even seem ridiculous to one another. The controversial The God Delusion has brought up multiple cases and surveys that studies the subject's response to moral dilemmas.

One of which that is branded into my brain is that, "If someone is drowning in the lake, would you risk your pants and jump in to save that person? Or would you save your pants?"

More than 70% chose to save their pants.

"A train filled with seniors is going to run off a cliff, you have the option to switch the rail, however, a baby is strapped onto the other rail and would be sacrificed. Do you sacrifice the baby for a train full of old people? Or do you save the baby and sacrifice the train?"

Majority chose to save the baby and let the full train go off the cliff.

We live, in a wicked, sick, world. But I may be wrong, I'm the minority after all.

Blackwidow wrote: »

I'm just going to bring this up as a funny side note.

If you look at almost all of the people who say they would not have gone for the chest, they mention there is not much in the chest for them, so they would not take the chest away.

It begs the question, are you being polite because there is not much to gain?

If there was an object in chests worth a ton of gold, would to change your tune?

I could be way off base, but the way you all bring up the fact that there is little to gain in the act seems to be a major part of your point.

Just curious why this was brought up so many times.

I was wondering if someone would say that:) Thank you.

Basically, it's easy to be nice and kind when it's...well, easy. If it involved sacrificing a chance for smth really good...well, the question would be slightly more complicated.

Me? Chances are I still wouldn't do it. Even a gold item is still just fancy pixels in the end of the day but there's a real person to whom I'd be rude by hijacking his chest.

I brought that up to say there's really not much point in doing so now. Be (slightly) rude for the sake of useless trash? Why?
Be that for the sake of a legendary item? I still wouldn't approve but guess it'd at least make some sense.

Stratti wrote: »

That's not rude it's perfectly fine and certainly not reportable.

What is very rude is taking a chest from someone while they kill a mob guarding it. You know bypassing the fight to loot the chest. Not reportable just rude.

Happens to me all the time.

From a social standing point - I would not like to have anything to do with someone doing this. Just feels rude and seems like vultures circling around waiting for the other to fail.

Cogo wrote: »

I agree....

But what happen to blackwiddow? Banned?

Looks that way, when you click on his name it says Banned.
Not going to spectulate why, even if I knew enough to guess, which I don't.

Cogo wrote: »

Lets see what the justice system going to be like when that comes. I hope thieves will be able to pickpocket PLAYERS as well. And that players can sign up working as guards.

Since, I have seen that kind of thing descend the communities in other MMOs. I would be unsubbed at the point it was patched in, or as close to it.

lecarcajou_ESO wrote: »

Belitseri wrote: »

I would rather be polite. That means more to me.

You know, in all honesty... I agree. When it comes down to doing something dickish—even if the mechanics allow for it—it's all about how you feel walking away from it. And the truth is it feels nice to be nice.

I figure... I like this game and have no wish to make other peoples' experiences worse in some manner (barring unrealistic expectations or unavoidable situations.)

I usually just walk away when I see someone is at a chest. I'd never report someone (seriously?!) (though I've made it a point, also, to get good enough that this hasn't come up yet!) What actually does make me feel a little pissy is, as has been mentioned previously in this thread, when someone will bypass me fighting a mob to get to the chest that the mob was guarding. Is it the worst thing in the world? Of course not. Is it pretty dang rude? I think so. I don't generally think a person has 'dibs' on much of anything, but that's a situation where the person knows what they're doing and just doesn't care that it's dickish. Do you feel like a big man, now? You got the chest while someone else, the chump, fights the mob? Way to go, enjoy your scanty reward of gold but also injecting just a little bit more unpleasantness into a world that hardly needs it. :P

Cogo wrote: »

Well the guy was chatty, upstart, but never rude...at least not in public what I saw. I enjoy different personalities. Thats why I asked.....

Somebody said they they were finally getting upset with the way ESO was working and I said "I'm proud of you, welcome to the club"

Obviously that is enough to get you banned for three days.