I'm just going to bring this up as a funny side note.

If you look at almost all of the people who say they would not have gone for the chest, they mention there is not much in the chest for them, so they would not take the chest away.

It begs the question, are you being polite because there is not much to gain?

If there was an object in chests worth a ton of gold, would to change your tune?

I could be way off base, but the way you all bring up the fact that there is little to gain in the act seems to be a major part of your point.

Just curious why this was brought up so many times.

Because 30 some gold, a rune, a possible soul gem and some random green is not really worth the aggravation.

I am just saying.

When I am playing, I am playing to have fun in the game, not to ruin anybody's day.

The social aspect of MMOs is gone. There is nothing left of working together unless it is rewarding for 'you'. If there is something in it for me is the anthem of our culture. There is no such thing as a social reward or doing something because it makes you feel good for doing the right thing in an MMO.

If the chest had the chance at epic loot you can bet your rear that people would take every advantage to open the chest if someone had just failed at it.

These are just my opinions.

Mablung wrote: »

The social aspect of MMOs is gone. There is nothing left of working together unless it is rewarding for 'you'. If there is something in it for me is the anthem of our culture. There is no such thing as a social reward or doing something because it makes you feel good for doing the right thing in an MMO.

Two days ago, a player asked for a crafter to make him a staff. I told him I was at the table and to bring me his mats.

He said he just wanted a white version of the staff. I went ahead and made him a blue version, because I had the mats.

I traded him the staff. In mid trade has asked me how much I wanted for the staff. I said nothing. He put 2k gold in the window as a tip to me.

First, I never charge to craft for people. Second, that tip was more generous than I would have ever expected as a tip.

On top of all that he asked me to befriend him. We then traveled together for a few hours and got to know each other. He was a really cool guy.

So, no I don't think the social aspect of MMOs is dead.

If the chest had the chance at epic loot you can bet your rear that people would take every advantage to open the chest if someone had just failed at it.

I think most people would yes. However, that is how the game is setup.

I really don't see anything wrong with taking turns to open a chest. It's a tiny mini game.

However, I do highly respect the people who really would not take their turn and let the other person have it, if they really exist.

Here's another situation for you... I just logged out of the game, where a short while ago I watched a guy fight a group of three mobs who sat around near a chest. I watched and lifted no finger as they burnt him to the ground (hey, non-intervention, right?). I then I stepped across his smoldering carcass and leisurely picked the chest.

And I didn't even feel particularly bad about it. Anyone wanna comment on that?

I have to admit that it bothers me when i blow a chest opening and someone steps in. My dogs hate it too, cause they think something is up when I yell at the screen.
But that is part of life, if I don't like it I just have to get better. What pissed me off was when i picked the lock, but didn't have room in my inventory for the soul gem, and it was snagged from the unlocked chest.

Blackwidow wrote: »

I'm just going to bring this up as a funny side note.

If you look at almost all of the people who say they would not have gone for the chest, they mention there is not much in the chest for them, so they would not take the chest away.

It begs the question, are you being polite because there is not much to gain?

no, we're just honouring the universal life-rule that applies in all situations:

'Don't Be A Jerk.'

Blackwidow wrote: »

I saw a chest in the distance, but by the time I got to it, another player started to pick the lock.

It was a master chest to me, so I thought he might mess up and I could try to pick it. As it turns out that is what happened.

I got the chest and started to walk away.

Next thing I know he is giving me a tell that he is going to report me for stealing his chest.

So, I guess the question is, is it a social faux pas to take a chest from another player? I know it is not against the rules and all that, but is it just rude in general?

What do you guys think?

Of course it is. It's all about having good manners. Respecting others is respecting yourself. People are - obviously - the most valuable asset of an online game.

Blackwidow wrote: »

I saw a chest in the distance, but by the time I got to it, another player started to pick the lock.

It was a master chest to me, so I thought he might mess up and I could try to pick it. As it turns out that is what happened.

I got the chest and started to walk away.

Next thing I know he is giving me a tell that he is going to report me for stealing his chest.

So, I guess the question is, is it a social faux pas to take a chest from another player? I know it is not against the rules and all that, but is it just rude in general?

What do you guys think?

I think if you stand next to a guy who wants a chest, fails and you take it, he isn't happy. It could happen that this guy says things to you that make you not happy.
In the chests is often nothing which is worth being unhappy.

Let's go to a real life example: City Center, all are looking for a parking lot. A guy before you (and you) see a free parking lot. You drive so near to him that he becomes nervous and fails in the first attempt to park in. He drives a bit forward for a second attempt, so you have the chance and quickly snap the lot as a good driver.

Well, you have the lot... Some people let room and let the other park in, some people try at all costs to get the lot. There is no general rule. It is just a matter of behaviour and character (and sometimes the conditions: your wife gets a baby in 10 minutes and you NEED the lot xP).

Of course is standing next to someone waiting for his failure, breathing into his neck, observing him a general very rude behaviour in real life and everyone would feel annoyed about it. How he then behaves is a matter of his temperament. Some stoicly stay calm and walk away, some turn around and ask you what your peoblem is, and some will shout at you or push you away...

Blackwidow wrote: »

Sil wrote: »

I think if you stand next to a guy who wants a chest, fails and you take it, he isn't happy. It could happen that this guy says things to you that make you not happy.
In the chests is often nothing which is worth being unhappy.

Again, I have to ask, because it seems to be a major point for a lot of people.

If the chest did have great loot in it, does it make a difference? If not, why bring up the content of the chest in the first place?

No, it makes no difference. I just mentioned it to show that it isn't even worth it.
A rare parking lot in the city center would be at least perhaps worth the trouble and bad behaviour. The chests are even not worth it.

And btw. I had a similar situation, which I solved this way:
I saw a chest, someone came then b4 me. I kept distance and waited in distance. He tried 2 times, failed, then walked away. Then I went there. It was a master chest, I opened then. This is how I handle it.

Blackwidow wrote: »

Sil wrote: »

I saw a chest, someone came then b4 me. I kept distance and waited in distance. He tried 2 times, failed, then walked away. Then I went there. It was a master chest, I opened then. This is how I handle it.

How long would you have sat there before trying it yourself? Or would you give the guy all day long?

What if a third guy showed up to try to take it? Would you step up and take your turn then?

So much trouble ... In the case of these ridiculous chests I would leave it to them, take me some popcorn, sit down, and watch them kill each other for the chest while giggling. In real life with more serious things you can't say in in general.
It depends of the specific situation.

Keeping distance is seen as good behaviour. But that's also not static, as southern people keep a shorter distance than northern. Normally you try to behave like the most people do it in a country if you don't want to annoy them....

Voodoo wrote: »

Nope he had his crack at it...you get you turn ,,you fail he gets another go until someone gets it ...pretty standard common sense ...no own owns a chest!

Of course not. Noone owns it. The OP seemed to be "unhappy" about the reaction of the other guy. That other guy surely overreacted, but with an understandable reason. Not cause it was "his" chest, cause someone broke into his "privacy circle".

The rest is just if you want to avoid such situations or you don't care...

So, you be clear, if there was a super rare chest that you knew had 100k gold and a uber powerful weapon in it, you would still let the first person take all the time to do it and you would not even take a turn at picking it?

You ask me personally and i give you a personal, only for me fitting answer:
Yes, I still would let the first person take all. He was first there. This is what I learned and how I feel is right. Only fitting for me. Everyone has to decide it for himself...

Take the rare parking lot away from someone with a fast good maneuver, or let the one b4 you park in...? This is a personal decision based on many personal factors.
And of course it is seen as rude behaviour and the other one isn't happy....
(Edit: at least here in Germany. In Rome or Paris it might be totally different and a sport; I don't know how americans handle it. In NY City it seems also a sport and people would kill for the lot xD )

I think it depends on the situation. I usually let the person give it three tries and then I get in there. Not rude. Most people will give up and move on after three.

However, there are those entitlement babies that will keep trying because it's no longer about getting what's in the chest...it's about you NOT getting what's in there. They are pretty easy to spot by their behavior. In this case, I'll spam 'e' and deal with whatever spew they manage to squeeze out into their diaper.

Blackwidow wrote: »

So, you be clear, if there was a super rare chest that you knew had 100k gold and a uber powerful weapon in it, you would still let the first person take all the time to do it and you would not even take a turn at picking it?

Black.....I have to give it to you. I have seen your post, so I know you are intelligent. You seam honest about this, so its not a lie.

You did not break any rules. It is part of Tamriel that all kinds of people and creatures are roaming around.

I'll give you credit for being brave and post open about this.
But what you did is so low, that if I know your char in game, you would be banned from every guild I am in contact with for this deed.

Don't get me wrong. You have all the right taking it. But thats what you did....you took it.

Lets see what the justice system going to be like when that comes. I hope thieves will be able to pickpocket PLAYERS as well. And that players can sign up working as guards.

I would hunt down your butt, throw you in jail and throw away the key ;-)

You are an honest thief. Rare.....

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Why is everyone going on about not standing close? When I pick locks all my attention is on the lock itself, I wouldn't even notice if someone was standing right in front of me.

Maybe people fail locks because instead of concentrating on the task at hand they keep looking around for other players?

I don't know the reason of "everyone". My reason is: As i began playing and didn't know how to unlock the chests, there were many people at the beginners isle who were hunting the chests. It took me a long time to find a chest where I could train it. Cause ever came someone running, waiting that you fail and taking the chest. Everywhere. They saw you, they realized you found a chest, they run to you. They opened it after you failed. It was very annoying. Since then I think ever "assh*" if someone comes next to me, waiting. As I am now a master in opening these chests I am very satisfied if the guy in my back realizes I succeeded and trolls away, while thinking "pi* off, assh*".