Gisgo wrote: »

Omg they are not given any special information/attention, got it?

The DEVs are just speaking with them, as they are representing part of the playerbase.

If they didnt, you would whine because they didnt.

Give it up. It'seems quite obvious at this point that some people are just here to complain because a ZOS employee never called them personally to talk.

We'really to the point in the thread where new posters are just rehashing old arguments that have already been answered and are too lazy to even bother reading the old posts before spouting off.

We also keep getting the same argument about guilds getting super secret information without any examples of what that information might be.

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

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To break down and make what you said simpler:

1/ You think everyone here who gives a negative opinion regardless of being constructive or not shouldn't be listened to.

2/ You think people here shouldn't have the right to complain or ask more more information on changes, and that people here are only interested in getting/keeping their abilities buffed.

3/ You think all feedback here is worthless and you feel guilds are the only ones that should give it.

4/ Your fourth load of paragraphs are just another "if you don't like the way it is GTFO" kneejerk response.

First of all, I will use this post to apologize for the harsh and aggressive way I posted my very big post. I should have posted it in a much better manner.

The reasons for the additude does not matter, I should used another tone.

I am sorry for the way I worded the post.

Now...

I want to correct your kinda good simple post of my view.

1. I have never said anyone should not be listened to. I have said, and feel free to look at my previous post, or ask several users here who seen me, that I am 100% for free speech, no matter what your opinion is.

My Concern was that constant nagging, without substance, in a negative way, from the same people, MIGHT make the DEVS listen less to this forum. I did not say or mean that's what I want. I WANT them to listen to us here.
Don't scare them away! (Maybe I should just have said that?)

2. I want as many people as possible to voice their opinions, whatever they are. But I have noticed that the way most common suggestion is to make something easier or buffed. And in most cases the user who suggests it, only focus on THEIR characters ability. This is not wrong, but we lack feedback on these forum about overall feedback.

The vampire OOPS and the shield bash mistake are 2 good examples. They got fixed and works well now. If most ESO players was furious about these 2 fixes, then I have missed that information.

3. I want all feedback from these forums to come through, but I am concerned about how much real feedback, whatever that may be, gets through, since these forums sometimes sadly gets off topic, needed to be modded for personal attacks or flaming nature.

Its needed to get feedback about the game from as many different areas as possible.
Communicating with guilds is ONE area to get feedback. I see no problem in getting information from certain guilds. But I do not believe that some guild will dictate what Zenimax will do.

Both Everquest and WoW was in fact in contact with Fires of Heaven, who was one of the Elite guilds in both these games. Why not get feedback from such a guild?

And just to say it to be clear: NO, I absolutely NOT think getting feedback from ONLY guilds. I am saying, or was trying to say, its important to get as much feedback from as many different areas as possible.

4. If anyone got the impression that I in a very rude manner tells players to get out if they do not like the game, then my wording was terribly wrong.

I do say that if someone is not happy playing ESO, why play? Why not go play a game you do like?

I hope this answer was not to long. Tried my best to be as direct as I could.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

The players will just have to wait until the information becomes public knowledge.

And in the mean time, all those guilds get to have the information and use it how they will, leaving anyone not in those guilds out in the cold, regardless if said information gives you an advantage or not, it is actually very discouraging to people, as can be evidenced by this thread.

@Gisgo‌ As for the special treatment said guilds may get, you should go back and read my first post in this thread.

I'll tell you what, I wont post any responses from our zenimax rep, but I can certainly post the questions we asked if that will help the rest of the community feel like these guilds have their best interests in mind.

These are the topics we brought up, answers from zenimax have been omitted:

Bag Space / Baggage: Inventory management is frustrating, especially for crafters

Early endgame is light on other players in the same faction. Any thoughts on letting VR folks run dungeons together cross-factions?

As a melee class, like a nightblade with a pure melee spec, a maximized stamina pool is required, but magicka abilities / class skills end up being gimped. Also, stamina for tanks and melee is needed for blocking and roll dodging and such, which takes a chunk of your resource away.

There is a deficiency of healing classes, is there any plan to make soloing content as a healer more viable?

Mounts - Will there be other types of mounts in the future?

What are your plans to keep people playing the game long term? Is a lifetime membership possible?

There have been botters in pvp, especially on bloodthorn and auriel’s bow.

It seems like templars are lacking in resource management compared to other classes.

Since you’re launching on consoles, are you planning on adding any controller support for pc?

if you purchase ESO over multiple platforms, do you pay for seperate subscriptions or can you use one account for them all? Perhaps with seperate characters, but only one subscription fee?

When will we start seeing buffs to the other classes as opposed to nerfing?

are there any plans to add a small pvp system, like guild keeps outside of cyrodiil or a type of arena?

You increased the xp in cyrodiil, and we have a lot of guys that would like to just level in cyrodiil, people want to be there all the time. Is there any chance that the xp in cyrodiil might be increased again?

Are you going to be allowing us to craft jewelry? Any plans to let us improve jewelry through the crafting system?

Any plans on adding additional models/art for crafted items past level 36? Currently everything keeps the same look after that level when crafting.

Tooltips and interface information is very limited right now, especially regarding critical types. Are there plans to improve this?

Is there a plan to add a preview system for armor?

Are there any plans for improvements to the guild store and searching system? There’s addons to allow a word search, is there any possibility of adding that into the game without addons?

Have you thought about lowering the costs of repairs?

Is there any intention to switch over from a guild store to an auction house at any point?

Is there any chance of respec costs going down in the future?

Will the guild name ever be added as a title or somehow visible to other players?

Are there plans to add a character customization system?

Are there plans to add guild cloaks or similar items?

Any possibility to change the race of a character?

Regarding guesting in the campaigns and pvp, something that creates an imbalance is groups of former emperors guesting into another campaign. Do you think that’s ok, or is that something that could be disabled when guesting?

Is it possible we could look forward to having more than 4 ranks in the guild system?





As you can see, almost every question we asked or topic we brought up is something that has been heavily discussed and debated on these forums.

Venithar wrote: »

@Gisgo‌ As for the special treatment said guilds may get, you should go back and read my first post in this thread.

Ok look at this from a different perspective.

What would you do as a DEV?
a - do not speak with anyone
b - speak with everyone (not really possible)
c - speak with a sample of the playerbase

Another perspective:
I am a professional gardener: i design and make gardens from scratch.
Whenever im called for a new job, the first thing i do is to ask my customer: "did you already have something in mind?".
Does this mean i am going to do what he suggests? Hell no! If i did most of the gardens wouldnt survive the first summer.
However, asking and understanding his opinion and needs is still a necessity.

The DEVs are listening to part of the customers (not being possible to do otherwise) to understand what are their concerns.
It doesnt mean they are going to do what suggested.
In fact they dont, and maybe they should

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I'll tell you what, I wont post any responses from our zenimax rep, but I can certainly post the questions we asked if that will help the rest of the community feel like these guilds have their best interests in mind.

These are the topics we brought up, answers from zenimax have been omitted:

Bag Space / Baggage: Inventory management is frustrating, especially for crafters

Early endgame is light on other players in the same faction. Any thoughts on letting VR folks run dungeons together cross-factions?

As a melee class, like a nightblade with a pure melee spec, a maximized stamina pool is required, but magicka abilities / class skills end up being gimped. Also, stamina for tanks and melee is needed for blocking and roll dodging and such, which takes a chunk of your resource away.

There is a deficiency of healing classes, is there any plan to make soloing content as a healer more viable?

Mounts - Will there be other types of mounts in the future?

What are your plans to keep people playing the game long term? Is a lifetime membership possible?

There have been botters in pvp, especially on bloodthorn and auriel’s bow.

It seems like templars are lacking in resource management compared to other classes.

Since you’re launching on consoles, are you planning on adding any controller support for pc?

if you purchase ESO over multiple platforms, do you pay for seperate subscriptions or can you use one account for them all? Perhaps with seperate characters, but only one subscription fee?

When will we start seeing buffs to the other classes as opposed to nerfing?

are there any plans to add a small pvp system, like guild keeps outside of cyrodiil or a type of arena?

You increased the xp in cyrodiil, and we have a lot of guys that would like to just level in cyrodiil, people want to be there all the time. Is there any chance that the xp in cyrodiil might be increased again?

Are you going to be allowing us to craft jewelry? Any plans to let us improve jewelry through the crafting system?

Any plans on adding additional models/art for crafted items past level 36? Currently everything keeps the same look after that level when crafting.

Tooltips and interface information is very limited right now, especially regarding critical types. Are there plans to improve this?

Is there a plan to add a preview system for armor?

Are there any plans for improvements to the guild store and searching system? There’s addons to allow a word search, is there any possibility of adding that into the game without addons?

Have you thought about lowering the costs of repairs?

Is there any intention to switch over from a guild store to an auction house at any point?

Is there any chance of respec costs going down in the future?

Will the guild name ever be added as a title or somehow visible to other players?

Are there plans to add a character customization system?

Are there plans to add guild cloaks or similar items?

Any possibility to change the race of a character?

Regarding guesting in the campaigns and pvp, something that creates an imbalance is groups of former emperors guesting into another campaign. Do you think that’s ok, or is that something that could be disabled when guesting?

Is it possible we could look forward to having more than 4 ranks in the guild system?





As you can see, almost every question we asked or topic we brought up is something that has been heavily discussed and debated on these forums.

Yes, we see... I guess you guys think it's fair for a single guild to be privileged with having such information while the general publics is getting ignored with the same questions here on forums...

Good things come to those who wait. Eventually everything that was discussed will show up in patch notes or ZOS posts on the forums here. I'd love to be able to share some of the answers we got, but I will not be responsible for our rep losing their job. These ZOS employees are going out of their way to try and help out the game and the community as a whole by speaking with samples of the player base, they're doing it off the clock and of their own volition, and they should not have to suffer repercussions just because your average forum poster is whiny and self entitled.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I'll tell you what, I wont post any responses from our zenimax rep, but I can certainly post the questions we asked if that will help the rest of the community feel like these guilds have their best interests in mind.

These are the topics we brought up, answers from zenimax have been omitted:

Bag Space / Baggage: Inventory management is frustrating, especially for crafters

Early endgame is light on other players in the same faction. Any thoughts on letting VR folks run dungeons together cross-factions?

As a melee class, like a nightblade with a pure melee spec, a maximized stamina pool is required, but magicka abilities / class skills end up being gimped. Also, stamina for tanks and melee is needed for blocking and roll dodging and such, which takes a chunk of your resource away.

There is a deficiency of healing classes, is there any plan to make soloing content as a healer more viable?

Mounts - Will there be other types of mounts in the future?

What are your plans to keep people playing the game long term? Is a lifetime membership possible?

There have been botters in pvp, especially on bloodthorn and auriel’s bow.

It seems like templars are lacking in resource management compared to other classes.

Since you’re launching on consoles, are you planning on adding any controller support for pc?

if you purchase ESO over multiple platforms, do you pay for seperate subscriptions or can you use one account for them all? Perhaps with seperate characters, but only one subscription fee?

When will we start seeing buffs to the other classes as opposed to nerfing?

are there any plans to add a small pvp system, like guild keeps outside of cyrodiil or a type of arena?

You increased the xp in cyrodiil, and we have a lot of guys that would like to just level in cyrodiil, people want to be there all the time. Is there any chance that the xp in cyrodiil might be increased again?

Are you going to be allowing us to craft jewelry? Any plans to let us improve jewelry through the crafting system?

Any plans on adding additional models/art for crafted items past level 36? Currently everything keeps the same look after that level when crafting.

Tooltips and interface information is very limited right now, especially regarding critical types. Are there plans to improve this?

Is there a plan to add a preview system for armor?

Are there any plans for improvements to the guild store and searching system? There’s addons to allow a word search, is there any possibility of adding that into the game without addons?

Have you thought about lowering the costs of repairs?

Is there any intention to switch over from a guild store to an auction house at any point?

Is there any chance of respec costs going down in the future?

Will the guild name ever be added as a title or somehow visible to other players?

Are there plans to add a character customization system?

Are there plans to add guild cloaks or similar items?

Any possibility to change the race of a character?

Regarding guesting in the campaigns and pvp, something that creates an imbalance is groups of former emperors guesting into another campaign. Do you think that’s ok, or is that something that could be disabled when guesting?

Is it possible we could look forward to having more than 4 ranks in the guild system?





As you can see, almost every question we asked or topic we brought up is something that has been heavily discussed and debated on these forums.

Perfectly valid posts regarding combat unresponsiveness, class imbalance, weapon/armor issues, pvp, the economy, etc., etc., etc. are submitted via these official forums. These posts are generally unacknowledged and left to fester.

Your guild asks the questions and get acknowledged. Possibly, get answered.

While the questions asked may represent some of the broader concerns of the community, the answers you received were given to you ONLY. That is the problem. The information given to your guild should be given to all, not held secret.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

Wanted to pop in here and offer some clarification. The Community Team does indeed participate in regular voice chats with some of our most active guilds. The guilds we're currently in regular talks with are a good mix of PvP, PvE, and casual. In addition to reading the forums and fansites, this helps us to better understand what the main issues are and their severity, where the best opportunities for improvement are, and identify what everyone wants more details on. More often than not, we hear the same things over and over (such as Templars, weapons skills/stamina builds, and heavy armor needing improvements and in some case fixes, changes needed to make PvP more rewarding, etc.)

These talks do not replace or hold more value to us than what we read here on our official forums, and are often done in the late evening on our own time. It adds another layer of valuable insight, and gives us the opportunity to ask about things in-person that we need clarification or more details on.

All that said, we are doing what we can, when we can, to get in here and answer your questions more often.

I think it would be great if you could copy/paste the answer to questions/concerns found in third party locations here.

Thanks.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

Wanted to pop in here and offer some clarification. The Community Team does indeed participate in regular voice chats with some of our most active guilds. The guilds we're currently in regular talks with are a good mix of PvP, PvE, and casual. In addition to reading the forums and fansites, this helps us to better understand what the main issues are and their severity, where the best opportunities for improvement are, and identify what everyone wants more details on. More often than not, we hear the same things over and over (such as Templars, weapons skills/stamina builds, and heavy armor needing improvements and in some case fixes, changes needed to make PvP more rewarding, etc.)

These talks do not replace or hold more value to us than what we read here on our official forums, and are often done in the late evening on our own time. It adds another layer of valuable insight, and gives us the opportunity to ask about things in-person that we need clarification or more details on.

All that said, we are doing what we can, when we can, to get in here and answer your questions more often.

When I spoke with them we didn't really get any answers to anything - in fact Jess stated clearly at the start that it wasn't a Q&A session, it was a feedback session. We did get some responses like "we're aware of that" or "that's something we're working on" when we brought up issues.

I think a lot of you have some serious misconceptions about what the "min max elitist evil ER" wants for the game and the feedback we give. We want Templars to be better, we want stamina/melee builds to be better, we want heavy armour to be better. The fact that many of us are "forced" to play caster builds that we would rather not in trials because of the imbalances in the game shouldn't be taken as evidence we support the imbalances, we just endure them and hope that they get fixed soon.

I repeat again that the info the OP quoted us as being given was info we derived for ourselves through lengthy in game testing. The only info we got from ZoS was that when we reported that certain skills didn't obey the 15 ultimate limit they acknowledged the bug report, implicitly "confirming" our test data.

Was knowledge that they confirmed the data we had already determined an advantage we had over other players? No, it wasn't. Was the knowledge we determined through our hours of testing an advantage we had over other players? Yeah, it could have been. The point being we obtained a potential advantage through hard work and testing and not through secret info from ZoS. Also, thanks to our lengthy testing and the feedback session bugs were identified and fixed.

Also, I've seen posts blaming ER and these feedback sessions for a bunch of things so let me clarify - these sessions are a very recent thing and didn't occur until after the Craglorn patch, I think we've had 2 or 3 total.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Aenthel wrote: »

I'd honestly rather them do nothing on their off-time but actually do something on their actual working time instead of... doing nothing.

wow, just... wow.

To not take it out of context, I meant communication wise.

limeli8 wrote: »

BadgerRider1 wrote: »

limeli8 wrote: »

As in real life you wouldn't ask a guy at a McDonnalds drive though for legal advise. In game you should also know what sort of game related credentials people have when they post about in game issues.

Fair enough. Now, in your mind, what would qualify a person to discuss a skill, say one learned at level 40?

Is it a person who grabbed that skill at 40 and morphed and used it till level VR12? Or only one who used it in trials, or only one who used it in dungeons? What about PvP?

You are talking about experience, but who's type of experience is to be used as the basis for acceptance/rejection in order to be considered "worthy" of discussing a topic?

Well i never said that people should be able to have an opinion but based on seeing what their in game accomplishments are one could more or less make a judgement call whether they really are likely to make a good point about a certain issue. Now that doesn't guarantee anything but statistically it should make it easier to actually acquire real info from these forums as apposed to emotional outbursts from people who hardly play the game and just use the forums to get attention.

PS also so i could find these people in cyro, kill them in the most aggravating fashion and and t-bag them till the have a stroke in RL from raging so hard.

PPS that stuff in PS was totaly a joke. Cause i'd never do something like that being a super nice person and all that! Honest!

Simply put, in game achievements are not an accurate indication of authority. A fine example involves someone I've encountered about the in-game economy. They come from a background of playing the crafting and market system is various games where as I simply use them as I need them. By your standards, that other person would be the one to listen to.

You would be wrong.

In-game economies are an over simplified simulation of the real thing. I have the education, formal training, and experience with economies and markets that the other person does not. These are things you would not see based on my character's accomplishments. Yet it would leave me more qualified than someone who simply plays the game's market and crafting system and whose intent involves fattening their own wallet.