Overall Gameplay too difficult?

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

It doesn't matter whether people find the content too difficult, whether they find it too boring, or whether they simply don't want to be forced to adopt limited builds.

If the net result is people letting their subs lapse at a rate in great excess to the number of new subs then ESO will either fold, go FTP or limp along as some sort of niche game.

I just want Zen to say one way or another. If this is just another boring combat grinder dressed up in a few ESO rags then tell us. If all we have to look forward to is what a lot of us find a joyless grind whether it is doable or not, tell us and we and our money will be on our way.

Reykice · June 2014

AngryNord wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

They should rename this thread to "How many of you are really bad players unable to complete a game on anything else but EASY or VERY EASY?"

They should ban condescending elitists like you

As the poll here shows most have no problem, its just the few bad players that are unable to do it. Why would they ban me... not my fault nature did not give some the reflexes or brain power to play a game.

I did say they should maybe add a difficulty slider for all the little girls out there unable to do it... but don`t make it sound like its a problem for most people, its not.

The poll i mentioned:

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99207/how-much-trouble-do-you-have-with-veteran-content/p1

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

They should rename this thread to "How many of you are really bad players unable to complete a game on anything else but EASY or VERY EASY?"

They should ban condescending elitists like you

As the poll here shows most have no problem, its just the few bad players that are unable to do it. Why would they ban me... not my fault nature did not give some the reflexes or brain power to play a game.

I did say they should maybe add a difficulty slider for all the little girls out there unable to do it... but don`t make it sound like its a problem for most people, its not.

The poll i mentioned:

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99207/how-much-trouble-do-you-have-with-veteran-content/p1

And that is why ESO will fail.

Well enjoy your niche game while you can.

RianaTheBosmer · June 2014

My friends and I are level 33 werewolves and we are thinking of quitting the game. My stamina built DK can't complete the same quest that my bow sorc can and it's pretty ridiculous. My friend who is a templar died no less than 5 times doing the level 33 main quest. Some of my group is heading to Wildstar which is tough but you can play with your friends the entire way through. My casual gamer friend can play with me so I can do the majority of the take downs while she gathers stuff which is what she loves. I can walk her through things. We're RPers. No way is my DC player going through the other alliances and there is no way in hell this game should be as difficult as it is. No matter what the fan boys say, ESO is losing people fast. There are too many games out there that do it right for everyone.

Reykice · June 2014

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether people find the content too difficult, whether they find it too boring, or whether they simply don't want to be forced to adopt limited builds.

If the net result is people letting their subs lapse at a rate in great excess to the number of new subs then ESO will either fold, go FTP or limp along as some sort of niche game.

I just want Zen to say one way or another. If this is just another boring combat grinder dressed up in a few ESO rags then tell us. If all we have to look forward to is what a lot of us find a joyless grind whether it is doable or not, tell us and we and our money will be on our way.

So the fact that the entire game is designed like that isn`t saying anything to you? You want a personal message saying "hey dude, yea we made it like this so... you know... maybe this was our design?"

Its not harder than Skyrim on the Master difficulty... or even the one below that one. Why so much crying? Most MMO`s are *** easy, go play those... or is it your mission to somehow try and change the one good medium difficulty AAA MMO there is?

EDIT: Before anyone says anything more... we are a gaming community and even the girlfriend and wives of some players managed to reach VR12 via questing, same as their kids.... some died more some died less, none went "oh no mommy its too hard".

So why can`t you?

Hilgara · June 2014

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

My friends and I are level 33 werewolves and we are thinking of quitting the game. My stamina built DK can't complete the same quest that my bow sorc can and it's pretty ridiculous. My friend who is a templar died no less than 5 times doing the level 33 main quest. Some of my group is heading to Wildstar which is tough but you can play with your friends the entire way through. My casual gamer friend can play with me so I can do the majority of the take downs while she gathers stuff which is what she loves. I can walk her through things. We're RPers. No way is my DC player going through the other alliances and there is no way in hell this game should be as difficult as it is. No matter what the fan boys say, ESO is losing people fast. There are too many games out there that do it right for everyone.

hate to break this to you but if you are having trouble at lvl 33 you are in for a very rough ride. You are in the middle of the easiest content in the game.

Bhakura · June 2014

Well theres still Tetris.

Reykice · June 2014

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

My friends and I are level 33 werewolves and we are thinking of quitting the game. My stamina built DK can't complete the same quest that my bow sorc can and it's pretty ridiculous. My friend who is a templar died no less than 5 times doing the level 33 main quest. Some of my group is heading to Wildstar which is tough but you can play with your friends the entire way through. My casual gamer friend can play with me so I can do the majority of the take downs while she gathers stuff which is what she loves. I can walk her through things. We're RPers. No way is my DC player going through the other alliances and there is no way in hell this game should be as difficult as it is. No matter what the fan boys say, ESO is losing people fast. There are too many games out there that do it right for everyone.

Most of the talk here is about the VR content that is harder... if you can`t even do the normal content then wow.

There is no lvl 33 main quest, its the level 30 one maybe... i always did them @ their level, i even finished the Mages Guild/Fighters Guild ones at level 37 as i liked the story and wanted to see the end... what are you people doing wrong?

They should really start adding the good builds when they do a Highlight on the Main Page... there are builds that solo the entire game, world bosses and public dungeons + the group events in them and then there are builds that apparently can`t do the main quest...

Arundo · June 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

silent88b14_ESO wrote: »

So the difficulty looks good to you and, let's say 20% of the player base.

Erm...not according to the poll

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99207/how-much-trouble-do-you-have-with-veteran-content#latest

I've said all along through this thread. Its the vocal minority having trouble. But you still want to ruin the game for the majority

Yes and everyone in that poll is truthfully answering that they sucks as it is an anonymous poll... o wait...

PS I noticed the sudden influx of people who try to derail the topic with the same great discussion skills as you Hilgara, I wonder why...

Reykice · June 2014

Arundo wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

silent88b14_ESO wrote: »

So the difficulty looks good to you and, let's say 20% of the player base.

Erm...not according to the poll

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99207/how-much-trouble-do-you-have-with-veteran-content#latest

I've said all along through this thread. Its the vocal minority having trouble. But you still want to ruin the game for the majority

Yes and everyone in that poll is truthfully answering that they sucks as it is an anonymous poll... o wait...

PS I noticed the sudden influx of people who try to derail the topic with the same great discussion skills as you Hilgara, I wonder why...

Because we like it the way it is and while i would not mind a difficulty slider i would mind them changing it without giving me the option to keep the difficulty.

ganja.mullarwb17_ESO · June 2014

@Zenimax - Will take Motifs to hack the haters' accounts.

Hilgara · June 2014

Arundo wrote: »

PS I noticed the sudden influx of people who try to derail the topic with the same great discussion skills as you Hilgara, I wonder why...

Maybe there's just more of them that you thought?

Actually I don't support the L2P chant either. Not when its used as an insult. Check back through this thread. I have never once personally insulted anyone although I have been called an elite jerk and even been reported for holding the views I do. I have defended my position because I believe it to be true but I have done so without resorting to insults. I think you are wrong to suggest that the majority think the game is too hard. I think you are right to say that YOU find the game too hard. That I could never disagree with.

Yankee · June 2014

It is not the difficulty of VR mobs alone. It is the slog through 10 levels of countless mobs and quests.

With no AH crafting is pointless beyond personal use IMO. PVP is often laggy, buggy, and usually consists of one side having the whole map for weeks There are not many dungeons and those are not very replayable. There are really no decent ways to level except VR queesting or dungeon/anom grinding.

I was a fanboi through PTS, beta, and the first month or so of live. But I see an awesome world wasted on poor implementation of the game within it. And I think ZOS is adapting and communicating way too slow.

I cannot believe I am at this moment downloading an alpha remake of a Korean game that seems to have more to do in it than a AAA game. Things other than slogging through endless over-tuned mobs to turn in one more quest.

Just seems to be a lack of depth to me and so ESO VR reminds me of Diablo 3.....in slow motion. 170 levels of it.

ganja.mullarwb17_ESO · June 2014

As far as the chants go: Trolling at its best
As far as difficulty goes: Adapt - If you tell me you were one of those guys that did NOT want skyrim/oblivion/morrowind to be harder? - go play WoW
As far as the imbalance is concerned - more to do with classes than actual content - Every class can solo in this game, as long as they are willing to sacrifice their preffered style of play - im sure Zenimax is trying to fix this as we speak, its the hardest thing to do in an MMORPG, just go and read what Blizz Devs say about it.
As far as ESO goes: see you in game.

Reykice · June 2014

Learn to play is not an insult. It never was.

If most people make it through yet few are unable to, what would you say to the people unable to do it? You ask them to learn to play like the ones who made it through.

Why is that an insult? If in real life one knows something and the other does not but wants to is it an insult to ask him to learn?

As far as i can tell only the people unwilling to learn say its an insult, as they feel they should be able to do it all with their own skill set.

Stratti · June 2014

The funny thing is with people who struggle often they don't want to take advice either . They complain then when you suggest a guild or skill or setup they say nah I like it my way and then whine that ZOS should change the game

Reykice · June 2014

Yankee wrote: »

With no AH crafting is pointless beyond personal use IMO. PVP is often laggy, buggy, and usually consists of one side having the whole map for weeks There are not many dungeons and those are not very replayable. There are really no decent ways to level except VR queesting or dungeon/anom grinding.

The AH is a big problem but can be somewhat remedied if you sacrifice 4 guild slots and join Trading Guilds + get addons for filters so you can actually search for a particular material based on the crafting skill and so on.

I don`t use it to sell items... as i have found they don`t sell mostly because crafting your own every 5 levels + enchanting them with enchants you buy from the vendor is better.

But you can sell runes(red/blue), flowers, tempers, provisioning recipes or some of the rare provisioning materials and so on. I suggest you use an addon to keep the history so you know at what price OTHER people sold/bought that particular item in all your trading guilds, this way you can set a competitive price and always know what that item is valued at.

Its not as easy and it can`t be done without addons but it does work and you will never lack gold that way.

Hilgara · June 2014

Stratti wrote: »

The funny thing is with people who struggle often they don't want to take advice either . They complain then when you suggest a guild or skill or setup they say nah I like it my way and then whine that ZOS should change the game

yeah I bet ZoS regret the "Play the way you want" quote. A massive part of the appeal of this game is finding what works. Its not handed to you on a silver platter. It exists but it needs to be discovered. If you refuse to even look for it then yeah, this isn't the game for you maybe.

ProfDrLOL · June 2014

I just handed in my notice, cause dying from random mobs as a veteran over and over is not my idea of fun. I didn't lvl up two charcters to vet 4/5 just to become weaker and weaker. This game is broken in many ways. And no, I've never played WoW.

Magdalina · June 2014

@Hilgara, while that may be a good advice(maybe even one I'll follow because I don't want to leave), it won't solve the problem of empty veteran zones:(

They need to change smth. Vet zones are empty, ppl don't want to quest there. Some of it is difficulty. Some of it is lack of reward - I mean, you get some puny gold, green stuff not even worth deconstruction and a tiny bit of experience for all your efforts(and crates don't even have right provisioning ingredients), you don't really get anything for next vet rank either. Some of it is just lack of logic - why are we helping other alliances, often against our own? Some of it is unjustified expectations - 1-50 is "faceroll to win" and all about bad Molag Bal whom you eventually beat, vet is....suddenly randomly challenging(randomly because most bosses are easier than trash now) and....still oriented against bad Molag Bal whom you already defeated.

They need to do smth, and do it fast, before all the ppl missing from vet zones go to other games.

Far as original topic goes...your advice is valid and what you did is cool, but many ppl don't want to do this, not for simple trash at least. You can say this ppl should just leave, but that's lost players, lost money and bad reputation for ESO:(

Chermaine · June 2014

I cancelled my sub last night, game isnt fun anymore. Been trying to level in VR zones last night. Had to tag along with others so I could manage something. I stopped playing when there was noone around.

Hilgara · June 2014

Magdalina wrote: »

@Hilgara, while that may be a good advice(maybe even one I'll follow because I don't want to leave), it won't solve the problem of empty veteran zones:(

They need to change smth. Vet zones are empty, ppl don't want to quest there. Some of it is difficulty. Some of it is lack of reward - I mean, you get some puny gold, green stuff not even worth deconstruction and a tiny bit of experience for all your efforts(and crates don't even have right provisioning ingredients), you don't really get anything for next vet rank either. Some of it is just lack of logic - why are we helping other alliances, often against our own? Some of it is unjustified expectations - 1-50 is "faceroll to win" and all about bad Molag Bal whom you eventually beat, vet is....suddenly randomly challenging(randomly because most bosses are easier than trash now) and....still oriented against bad Molag Bal whom you already defeated.

They need to do smth, and do it fast, before all the ppl missing from vet zones go to other games.

Far as original topic goes...your advice is valid and what you did is cool, but many ppl don't want to do this, not for simple trash at least.

I'm not arguing that the vet zones don't need work All I'm saying is that the difficulty scaling is not even on the priority list of the things I would like to see changed and I don't believe it is for the majority of players either. I'm not a ZoS fanboi waving the Zenimax banner. The only point I am disputing in this thread was the suggestion that MOST people find the vet content too hard. That's not true and I felt I needed to voice the opinion of those of us for whom this is not a major issue, especially when there are much bigger problems that need addressed.

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether people find the content too difficult, whether they find it too boring, or whether they simply don't want to be forced to adopt limited builds.

If the net result is people letting their subs lapse at a rate in great excess to the number of new subs then ESO will either fold, go FTP or limp along as some sort of niche game.

I just want Zen to say one way or another. If this is just another boring combat grinder dressed up in a few ESO rags then tell us. If all we have to look forward to is what a lot of us find a joyless grind whether it is doable or not, tell us and we and our money will be on our way.

So the fact that the entire game is designed like that isn`t saying anything to you? You want a personal message saying "hey dude, yea we made it like this so... you know... maybe this was our design?"

Its not harder than Skyrim on the Master difficulty... or even the one below that one. Why so much crying? Most MMO`s are *** easy, go play those... or is it your mission to somehow try and change the one good medium difficulty AAA MMO there is?

EDIT: Before anyone says anything more... we are a gaming community and even the girlfriend and wives of some players managed to reach VR12 via questing, same as their kids.... some died more some died less, none went "oh no mommy its too hard".

So why can`t you?

My, you're an angry little man aren't you? Enjoy FTP.

denicolad16_ESO · June 2014

I think the difficulty level is perfect. Why do i want to run around one hitting everything? There is no fun in that. I like being able to worry if I am going to die or not and then getting pissed when I do. Keeps me on my toes. I'm not being facetious either. If you wan't a game that you can prance around and kill everything with no problem go play Mabinogi or something.

fredarbonab14_ESO · June 2014

I like the difficulty level of ESO as is, and no this game is NOT made for the casual, they got 10 other games to choose from today. And no you can't be all things to all players. Try and then ESO would not be any different in any way or form than its competitors.

Some bosses still need tweaking and surely will be somewhat changed, but I hope they do not water down the game to the average or least-common denominator player. I would also keep my eye on the hard-core PvPer, he is one high-maintenance, in-your-face aggressive type that makes everything not fun; the forums, life for the developers or fellow players. They also zoom to max and always threatening to quit if not kept entertained. Focus on upper-half PVErs and pay lip service to the rest.

Chermaine · June 2014

denicolad16_ESO wrote: »

I think the difficulty level is perfect. Why do i want to run around one hitting everything? There is no fun in that. I like being able to worry if I am going to die or not and then getting pissed when I do. Keeps me on my toes. I'm not being facetious either. If you wan't a game that you can prance around and kill everything with no problem go play Mabinogi or something.

Really ?

Are we saying we want to one hit everything.

Go troll somewhere else please.

Nathano · June 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Erm...not according to the poll

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99207/how-much-trouble-do-you-have-with-veteran-content#latest

I've said all along through this thread. Its the vocal minority having trouble. But you still want to ruin the game for the majority

According to that poll 46% of people find veteran content too difficult. Is this the "minority" you are talking about? Nearly half the playerbase is NOT a minority. If anything, the poll shows that a significant proportion of players are not happy with the difficulty.

Magdalina · June 2014

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

It doesn't matter whether people find the content too difficult, whether they find it too boring, or whether they simply don't want to be forced to adopt limited builds.

If the net result is people letting their subs lapse at a rate in great excess to the number of new subs then ESO will either fold, go FTP or limp along as some sort of niche game.

I just want Zen to say one way or another. If this is just another boring combat grinder dressed up in a few ESO rags then tell us. If all we have to look forward to is what a lot of us find a joyless grind whether it is doable or not, tell us and we and our money will be on our way.

So the fact that the entire game is designed like that isn`t saying anything to you? You want a personal message saying "hey dude, yea we made it like this so... you know... maybe this was our design?"

You're clearly not playing ESO but some other game instead. Go away and stop spoiling an otherwise civilized conversation.

Lvls 1-50 are NOTHING like veteran, you pretty much can faceroll to beat most mobs. Which is why vet is so unexpected - when ppl think they became superstrong, after they defeat a god they can suddenly be killed by any two random bandits.

Hilgara · June 2014

Nathano wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

Erm...not according to the poll

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/99207/how-much-trouble-do-you-have-with-veteran-content#latest

I've said all along through this thread. Its the vocal minority having trouble. But you still want to ruin the game for the majority

According to that poll 46% of people find veteran content too difficult. Is this the "minority" you are talking about? Nearly half the playerbase is NOT a minority. If anything, the poll shows that a significant proportion of players are not happy with the difficulty.

It is less that the 54% who don't find it too difficult so yes it is a minority.
If out of 100 people 49 were left handed then the left handed people would be in the minority. Is that clear enough for you?

Hilgara · June 2014

Magdalina wrote: »

Lvls 1-50 are NOTHING like veteran, you pretty much can faceroll to beat most mobs. Which is why vet is so unexpected - when ppl think they became superstrong, after they defeat a god they can suddenly be killed by any two random bandits.

There is no other response to this than you are doing something fundamentally wrong. I'm really not trying to insult you but you need to look carefully at your build and the skils you are using if this is the case. Which ever class you play 2 bandits should pose no problem at any vet level.