What about 200 temporary people hired specifically for when the console releases were suppose to go live, and then laid off when those consoles got delayed? The jobs were no longer needed at the time, and as a temp worker in a call center specifically that kind of turn around and short notice really is not unheard of.
I was laid off with 40 other people who were going to work under a temp contract for AT&T halfway through training... and that was just our building. Amazon has let people go from their temp Christmas jobs early, or moved the permanent folks around when they've dropped a certain type of support from the site you're working at (sometimes only a week or two after you got the new position).. and a lot of times they don't give notice. Specifically when it's related to an announcement that they don't want leaked.
There is more than one explanation for the why that makes perfect logical sense. If people are insisting on spinning it only one way, and saying that no other way could be an option then they are indeed just trying to be negative. I don't even deny that the whole "omg they aren't do well" is a possibility.. however I just don't think it's the logical conclusion from this article. Heck, I would take all the anecdotal evidence on guilds being empty as more solid proof of that than this article. I've done the whole call center temp thing though, so I've been that employee, and I know how often crappy stuff like this actually can/does happen.
wrlifeboil wrote: »isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »This is not our grandfathers' job environment. I think a lot of young people are going to be in for a shock when they realize even "good" jobs aren't all that secure any more:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/rbc-replaces-canadian-staff-with-foreign-workers-1.1315008
It's a race to the bottom. No job security. No loyalty on the part of the company or the employee.
alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Good to hear... it will be even more believable once a date is set and we get past the "we will, we swear!" type of conversation.
What about 200 temporary people hired specifically for when the console releases were suppose to go live, and then laid off when those consoles got delayed? The jobs were no longer needed at the time, and as a temp worker in a call center specifically that kind of turn around and short notice really is not unheard of.
I was laid off with 40 other people who were going to work under a temp contract for AT&T halfway through training... and that was just our building. Amazon has let people go from their temp Christmas jobs early, or moved the permanent folks around when they've dropped a certain type of support from the site you're working at (sometimes only a week or two after you got the new position).. and a lot of times they don't give notice. Specifically when it's related to an announcement that they don't want leaked.
There is more than one explanation for the why that makes perfect logical sense. If people are insisting on spinning it only one way, and saying that no other way could be an option then they are indeed just trying to be negative. I don't even deny that the whole "omg they aren't do well" is a possibility.. however I just don't think it's the logical conclusion from this article. Heck, I would take all the anecdotal evidence on guilds being empty as more solid proof of that than this article. I've done the whole call center temp thing though, so I've been that employee, and I know how often crappy stuff like this actually can/does happen.
This is much more believable. And I actually thought about that myself.
Call centres being what they are. I have experience myself. Often call centres are an outsource building, where staff get shifted around the company to various contracts.
While that is not quite what happens here, I do know call centre contracts come and go.
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Moderator Edit: Removed moderated content.alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Good to hear... it will be even more believable once a date is set and we get past the "we will, we swear!" type of conversation.
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »I want to point out TSW, which started layoffs and the path to f2p EXACTLY the same way. And the fanboy's of TSW said the EXACT same things as you defenders are, yet it still happened. Go ahead and keep your head in the sand.
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Good to hear... it will be even more believable once a date is set and we get past the "we will, we swear!" type of conversation.
You do realize she is paid to lie to you?
Do you realize that you are defaming her? It's a slender and prosecutable if not true.
Arsenic_Touch wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
But the sky is falling, Jessica. You supposed to acknowledge the signs, not repeat what most of us were already aware of!
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Do you realize that you are defaming her? It's a slender and prosecutable if not true.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Soliduparrow wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
So I guess what we have all learned from this thread is that "some" = 300
Someone (does that word mean like 300 ones?) should informa websters because they have an error with their definition.
To add to the confusion, if your company expects and has extraordinarily high turnover, even the first example might not have that much of an impact.ShedsHisTail wrote: »Soliduparrow wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
So I guess what we have all learned from this thread is that "some" = 300
Someone (does that word mean like 300 ones?) should informa websters because they have an error with their definition.
"Some" is a relative term.
If you have 400 employees, 300 is more than "some."
If you have 4000 employees, 300 makes less of an impact.
To add to the confusion, if your company expects and has extraordinarily high turnover, even the first example might not have that much of an impact.ShedsHisTail wrote: »Soliduparrow wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
So I guess what we have all learned from this thread is that "some" = 300
Someone (does that word mean like 300 ones?) should informa websters because they have an error with their definition.
"Some" is a relative term.
If you have 400 employees, 300 is more than "some."
If you have 4000 employees, 300 makes less of an impact.
Alphashado wrote: »It may or may not be true, but just take a look at your guild rosters... scroll down and look at how many people have been gone for 5 days or more... It's depressing
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Sandmanninja wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »So... A bunch of temp employees are upset that their temporary position was more temporary than they expected?
While I do take your point as I even thought something similar myself. I think your missing something. Who hires that many people and lets them go in such a short space of time, if things are going well?
Be quiet troll. The horse has been officially beat to death. No matter how many different people tell you, "it happens - get over it", you try to spin it to be a doom fore-teller for ESO.
If you hate the game that much, stop logging on to this forum. I think you've trolled Zone Chat so much everyone has you on ignore, so you try it in the forums.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/06/15/layoffs-are-back-this-time-public-sector-will-bear-the-brunt/
Uh oh! Looks like the US Govt is going F2P! Lolz!
Make me be quiet. Go on. Try your hardest.
As for spinning a doom sayer on ESO, find where I did that. And apologise for accusing me of it when you have no proof. I have NEVER once done that. In fact in another thread I pointed out how subscribers often drop off by large amounts during first 3 months.
I certainly never said I hated the game. And where is the proof I speak so much on zone chat everyone has me on ignore?
Oh. Protip, spinning and twisting my comments into "you said this and obviously, or clearly..." is not proof.
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »You do realize she is paid to lie to you?
Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Good to hear... it will be even more believable once a date is set and we get past the "we will, we swear!" type of conversation.
You do realize she is paid to lie to you?
Do you realize that you are defaming her? It's a slender and prosecutable if not true.
He just deleted his comment, but with the only purpose to be correct about what he wrote before delete, if prosecuted, the "alleged slanderer" has to prove that what he said was true, not the inverse ,-)
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »Other than some temporary contractors coming off and on at various stages, we have had no change in our staffing and are still hiring. Our future plans, such as moving the European megaserver to Frankfurt and launching ESO on the next-gen consoles, are not impacted.
Where's your evidence? That's a pretty outlandish claim.
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