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We need a disagree button.
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SDZald✭✭✭Well then we would need a counter to all of them insightful/braindead agree/disagree awesome/trash LOL/cry flag/ignore
Edited by SDZald on June 9, 2014 5:31PM1 -
ZiRM✭✭✭✭✭
✭Thumbs down that idea OP.Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!3 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You can tell just by all the abuse of the LOLs on this thread that people are just not mature enough to handle big boy buttons like /disagree.
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Had one. People abused it. So they removed it. When they just switched to using the Off Topic button as the stand in for disagree, that got removed as well.
LOL will probably get taken out if it keeps getting used sarcastically like it is now. Sometimes I give people who are funny an Awesome instead to be sure it's not misunderstood as negative.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »You can tell just by all the abuse of the LOLs on this thread that people are just not mature enough to handle big boy buttons like /disagree.
What is strange is that you keep saying it wasn't changed because people got their feelings hurt. Then you make post like this, that scream someone got their feelings hurt. It maybe part of the reason people are confused.1 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »You can tell just by all the abuse of the LOLs on this thread that people are just not mature enough to handle big boy buttons like /disagree.
What is strange is that you keep saying it wasn't changed because people got their feelings hurt. Then you make post like this, that scream someone got their feelings hurt. It maybe part of the reason people are confused.
ROFLMAO!
How does my post have anything to do with people's feeling getting hurt, Dr. Phil? 3 -
Whisper292✭✭✭Arsenic_Touch wrote: »There was a disagree button but they felt it didn't create a welcome environment on the forums. You can thank all of the people that abused the troll and disagree button during the beta forums.
This cracks me up because in my opinion, the forums aren't exactly a welcoming environment to start with. If somebody disagrees with something in a post, they could discreetly (and anonymously) hit "disagree" instead of having to put their protest into words, which will either come off as trolling or cause somebody to troll them.
EDIT: After posting, I read more of the comments above mine and do understand where ZOS is coming from after abuse in the beta. But I disagree, tehee.Edited by Whisper292 on June 9, 2014 5:50PM---
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ZiRM✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about a ____ ___! button?Want to become Vampire? 5k @ZiRM in game.ESO Server Status. ( ^_^)o自自o(^_^ ) SkåL!!!!!2 -
Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Whisper292 wrote: »This cracks me up because in my opinion, the forums aren't exactly a welcoming environment to start with.
And disagree made it worse.If somebody disagrees with something in a post, they could discreetly (and anonymously) hit "disagree" instead of having to put their protest into words, which will either come off as trolling or cause somebody to troll them.
Trolls will be trolls. A /disagree button will not change that.
Encouraging less communication hinders understanding of the other person, it does not help it.2 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »You can tell just by all the abuse of the LOLs on this thread that people are just not mature enough to handle big boy buttons like /disagree.
What is strange is that you keep saying it wasn't changed because people got their feelings hurt. Then you make post like this, that scream someone got their feelings hurt. It maybe part of the reason people are confused.
Sorry, but you are just trying to be right. The issue is that having a disagree button, would be ineffective, as it would be a troll tool, so why bother? And when you are trying to run a guild, and a set of crotch goblins, take issue with one or two members, your guild thread gets trampled on.
Happened in TSW, a bunch of us used to encourage our members to rate our recruit threads, along with our friends guilds, and watch our neighbours because of this.
It just discourages responsible behaviour. Feelings or not, it does set the wrong tone.2 -
If you aren't allowed a "disagree" button, at least let us have a "non constructive", to at least let the poster know how we we feel without being too negative.1 -
KhajitFurTrader✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »If you aren't allowed a "disagree" button, at least let us have a "non constructive", to at least let the poster know how we we feel without being too negative.
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you can always come right out and say it, to let the poster know WHY you feel it's not constructive. For everything else (i.e. a post violating the code of conduct), there's the report function. Forum moderators also usually give a short explanation as to why the post was closed.Edited by KhajitFurTrader on June 9, 2014 6:46PM2 -
KhajitFurTrader wrote: »magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »If you aren't allowed a "disagree" button, at least let us have a "non constructive", to at least let the poster know how we we feel without being too negative.
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you can always come right out and say it, to let the poster know WHY you feel it's not constructive. For everything else (i.e. a post violating the code of conduct), there's the report function. Forum moderators also usually give a short explanation as to why the post was closed.
Should be like the public polls, show what you voted (or clicked on) and give your reasons. Should apply to all the buttons, actually.
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »You can tell just by all the abuse of the LOLs on this thread that people are just not mature enough to handle big boy buttons like /disagree.
What is strange is that you keep saying it wasn't changed because people got their feelings hurt. Then you make post like this, that scream someone got their feelings hurt. It maybe part of the reason people are confused.
Sorry, but you are just trying to be right. The issue is that having a disagree button, would be ineffective, as it would be a troll tool, so why bother? And when you are trying to run a guild, and a set of crotch goblins, take issue with one or two members, your guild thread gets trampled on.
Happened in TSW, a bunch of us used to encourage our members to rate our recruit threads, along with our friends guilds, and watch our neighbours because of this.
It just discourages responsible behaviour. Feelings or not, it does set the wrong tone.
So a small frowny face and a number next to it consist of your threads getting trampled on?
That is what i am talking about, and that is why with what you wrote i am right. It is a feeling thing. Now i am more the willing to admit that it might not be all that useful or really all that helpful, but the reason it isn't here is because it hurt peoples feelings and they got upset about trolls making frowny faces on my post!
And really when has being useless been a deciding factor on when something gets done? Fishing says Hi.1 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Blackwidow wrote: »You can tell just by all the abuse of the LOLs on this thread that people are just not mature enough to handle big boy buttons like /disagree.
What is strange is that you keep saying it wasn't changed because people got their feelings hurt. Then you make post like this, that scream someone got their feelings hurt. It maybe part of the reason people are confused.
Sorry, but you are just trying to be right. The issue is that having a disagree button, would be ineffective, as it would be a troll tool, so why bother? And when you are trying to run a guild, and a set of crotch goblins, take issue with one or two members, your guild thread gets trampled on.
Happened in TSW, a bunch of us used to encourage our members to rate our recruit threads, along with our friends guilds, and watch our neighbours because of this.
It just discourages responsible behaviour. Feelings or not, it does set the wrong tone.
Now i am more the willing to admit that it might not be all that useful or really all that helpful, but the reason it isn't here is because it hurt peoples feelings and they got upset about trolls making frowny faces on my post!.
When your trying to recruit, and someone is marking your threads with low scores, people may choose caution and not bother to look. Hence it had potential downside. Even though the general thing we thought, was if they are not willing to open the threads up to look themselves, they were not worth us considering either.
That was not an actual disagree function as you requested though. Worth pointing out.
Let me turn it around. If you don;t think it is so significant... why I are you asking for it in the first place?1 -
Tamanous✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't matter if you disagree. It is the right of the poster to express their opinion. It isn't about whether or not you like it or dislike it and is frankly insulting to dismiss someone's opinion with a button click.
Forums are for open debate. Often you cannot change opinions. You cannot force someone to like something they do not like. You can express your views and they may influence others to change their own opinions.
Basically what I am saying is people need to show some maturity and enter discussions like educated adults and express their thoughts through intelligent words. The spectrum of posters on the forums is a fraction of the player base and is dominated by those wanting to express grievances and frustrations. It is not the proper forum for democratic voting and game developing is not democratic.Edited by Tamanous on June 9, 2014 11:56PM2 -
Synfaer✭✭✭✭✭I suggest a tomato button for dislikes..
I have a severe dislike for anyone who flaunts the amount of tomatoes they have in game.1 -
MasterSpatula✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭"People of the Internet! Now you can express negativity through the push of a single button. And it's even more anonymous and consequence-free than the internet normally is!""A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle2 -
Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If there was a disagree button the hardcore fanboys would disagree almost every criticism about the game
Strangely enough, WoW uses a facebook-esque "Like" and "Dislike" system on their forums.
Simply Like, Dislike, Report functions.
Pretty sure the report has a few different options, trolling and the like, but the only visible things you'll see are:
If it gets enough dislikes, it gets buried(ie: Reddit)
If it gets enough likes, the post itself lights up and gains a "highly rated" marking.
If it's been reported for *any* reason(even requesting sticky), you'll see a biohazard symbol.
Strangely enough, despite WoW's community demographic, *extremely* critical threads get highly rated, trolls get buried, and there's not a whole lot of abuse of the system.
This coming from a community that created over 10 26+ page threads protesting a change made to the game, every last one of them highly rated and they were DISAGREEING with the developer decision.
Some of us even sent mail to their dev team contesting the changes, one guy actually sent a letter from his lawyer...
All in all, amusing, but it was one seething hatred of design change that didn't get called out as "trolling".2 -
Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I got trolled to many times with a "disagree" button -- it was not worth it and I am glad it is gone, TBH.
The trouble is that one might have 100's of "disagree" on one's profile page and makes it looks bad, all because of people just want to troll ya. Also, every disagree on the profile page takes points away, thus it takes longer to earn badges.
That's another thing about WoW's system.
The ratings are per post, and there's no collective area in which you can see how many times someone's disliked one of your posts.
The trolls are fairly recognizable anyways, one particular Death Knight got me forum banned a couple times for defending myself on the forums after he quite literally made physical threats.
Ever since Greg Street left he's been missing. Wonder why.....
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AinGeal✭✭✭It's like the yes or no questions on a questionnaire. They ask the question and this is what you get...
Yes
No
If "No", explain.
People were clicking "No" but not explaining. They wanted an explanation. An explanation is needed when you disagree but not needed when you agree.3 -
Dusty5✭✭✭I disagree with the disagree button over disagreements. Nerfs!! that's the universal answer.3
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Argument for a disagree button:
Troll: I disagree!
OPer: Why?
Troll: Not tellin'! haha!!
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see the LoL's as a compliment.
Seriously though, if you disagree with something, that's what the quote option is for. I hate forums with a disagree or down vote option. People just use it as a high school popularity contest.Edited by SFBryan18 on June 10, 2014 4:43AM4 -
AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's like the yes or no questions on a questionnaire. They ask the question and this is what you get...
Yes
No
If "No", explain.
People were clicking "No" but not explaining. They wanted an explanation. An explanation is needed when you disagree but not needed when you agree.
Exactly, if you disagree, then post and say why, simple manners.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
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Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
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Indeed. A disagree button would be the lazy way out. If you disagree with a poster, then it is on you to demonstrate why in a concise and logical manner.I see the LoL's as a compliment.
Seriously though, if you disagree with something, that's what the quote option is for. I hate forums with a disagree or down vote option. People just use it as a high school popularity contest.
Agreeing requires no explanation, since said explanation was already provided in the form of the agreed upon comment.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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