anakaki wrote: »

Seen this. Nothing special

There mustn't be something special - this is just fast-run with players who didn't feel himself as a gimps.
Sure, they are russians, but you can learn to play like they... sometime... maybe...

VR12 Templar have no issues healing in PVE trials or PVP. No other class can pop heals for 1500+.

Gokmak wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Robe wearing Templars can't even compete with sorcerers, melee DPS templars are a complete and utter joke.

Has ESO even ACKNOWLEDGED there is a problem, with either Templars or stamina-based builds? I haven't seen it.

I haven't played since Craglorn came out. I can't. My stamina-based, 1h and shield, medium armor Templar can't even kill one trash mob my level. The game is unplayable. I can't quest. I can't do anything, except research and feed my horse.

Even if they reversed the shield bash nerf, I STILL can't do as much damage as sorcerers. It's so lopsided, it's insulting.

This has been going on for weeks now, and they haven't even acknowledged there is a problem. I cancelled my sub. I doubt they will ever fix this to anyone's satisfaction. Maybe I'll come back in a few months, when this game is forced to switch to free2play to get people to play.

no they havent and dont plan on it... reroll a sorc

tplink3r1 wrote: »

theres no way to hit that with Blazing Shield, its impossible.
3k health(more than avg player) + 54% health shield(6 people near) = 1512 - 50%(damage the shield returns) = 756(assuming the players has 0 armor), thats FAR from 3.5k.

I don't say that you're wrong but you are in fact

Witar wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

theres no way to hit that with Blazing Shield, its impossible.
3k health(more than avg player) + 54% health shield(6 people near) = 1512 - 50%(damage the shield returns) = 756(assuming the players has 0 armor), thats FAR from 3.5k.

I don't say that you're wrong but you are in fact

sorry, but thats a bug.
and the ablitity is not working properly, it is supposed to increase its shield by 4% for each enemy near but it isnt.

tplink3r1 wrote: »

sorry, but thats a bug.
and the ablitity is not working properly, it is supposed to increase its shield by 4% for each enemy near but it isnt.

You mean it should hit even harder then 7.5k?

I've posted a video for you of AA fast run with most of Templars raid
But you are continue moaning - sure it's way simper than learning to play

anakaki wrote: »

Again, 18m is nothing special. You seem reluctant to post all dk raids in 9 1/2 minutes, or dk/sorc only in 10m etc. The issue, which is hard to get for some people, not mentioning any names, is that trials is healable without deaths by all classes, mainly only healer sorc. The difference is the dps where all classes outshines us.

Nothing special while most of times it takes 1 hour to anyone? LOL!
Ok, let it nothing special but not IMPOSSIBLE as you all whiners moaning here!

As a MDPS DW templar, I can hit 300-700 DPS. but my 700 dps lasts only seconds until i have no mana left.

Playing a VR7 Temp, I don't believe Templars should be able to be on par with Sorc DPS. However I do completely agree that their Restoration spells need a significant reduction in cost.
We are meant to be a Healing class with the option to tank, which leaves DPS as a last priority in the class setup.
I see Templars as a Cleric or Paladin type class, not a mage.

That being said because of the massive power drain my spells cost me I was forced to switch from playing a Pally type style (Hvy armor, shield/sword) to a Light armor, Destro staff Templar to stay competitive with other Templars.

When I heal I have no issues keeping groups up, when I DPS I help but im better at stunning, snaring the enemy or debuffing than doing dps.

Bottom line if you chose a Templar to DPS, you chose the wrong class.
I always play healers/shamans in MMO's and despite the issues with cost/effectiveness issue with our healing line the class is functioning perfectly fine as a support class it was tailored to be.

Warhealer wrote: »

Bottom line if you chose a Templar to DPS, you chose the wrong class.
I always play healers/shamans in MMO's and despite the issues with cost/effectiveness issue with our healing line the class is functioning perfectly fine as a support class it was tailored to be.

Shaman, not a dps class? If your not top 3 in any raid as dps Shaman your doing it wrong. Or did you mean another game? I immidietly go to wow...

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌
It would be nice if you guys gave us some clues on where we stand. Are templars where you want them to be, while other classes will be tuned down around our performance? Do you acknowledge we're having serious DPS problems in VR content and that only a few mana intensive builds, (light armor and staves) are viable in PvP? Why are our CCs and AoEs so lackluster?

There's nothing in the road ahead for us templars and many of us are frustrated near V12. I like the class, but most of the time I feel like I'm SUPPOSED to play a priest instead of an armored DPS paladin type.

Poxxerom wrote: »

Templar class problems summarized by VR12 Templar

Let me start by saying,

Agreed with completely, and can include every other class with some of those problems on a more generic level. Tanking only works with physical based damage - magic damage seems to be a pass through (120dmg physical vs. 400dmg magical with the same 2100 resistances), melee damage isn't great, you're not squishy in light armor vs. heavy armor, stamina mechanics are garbage, etc. etc. etc.

Bethesda needs to have everyone in their office, including their management staff, playing V1-V12 non-stop to see the problems they're missing. It's not like they're breaking new ground either - Guild Wars 2 has almost exactly the same mechanical structure when it comes to combat (MOBA style combat, dodge timing mechanic). Also, Guild Wars 2 doesn't need dedicated healers in their PvE (and arguably PvP) - which is what Elder Scrolls Online is currently facing.

On my own personal templar gripe, I could live with the daily struggle to do anything with my templar if they'd just fix/adjust the command-input timing. I feel like I'm at 300 ping when I'm at 12. Otherwise, I'm like you - I'm leveling an NB melee/ranged tank up the ladder.

Here's to hoping they read this thread.

I am a V8 Templar, who is trying every single line out there to find the most optimum one for DPS. While the class might have a few problems, I strongly disagree with the OP in certain poiints. It feels to me that he is trying to bend some facts to make a point.

1. All the heal-line bashing of Templars and trying to make it look as if a sorc is "as good a healer" as templar is a no sell. Let alone those passives, certain boss fights WILL require you to use that insta heal or that grp heal that you get as a Templar, let along the cleansing ritual. Oh, and the ulti heal Please just do not distort the facts just to prove a point (sorc dps>templar)

2. If you are doing 300 dps with your Templar at v12, I am sorry but you have not fully explored your class' potential. I am able to easily pull 800 DPS as a 50 destro staff user, and I can get to 550-700 DPS with my single target bar. I am v8 with self crafted gear and crappy vendor sold enchant glyphs.

3. I healed through 1-V4 as a HEAVY ARMOR templar. Did I have mana problems? Of course I did. It was a mess, I could barely make it through but maybe after 1-2 deaths we could kill a boss in an instance. I switched to 5 light now, with Warlock items in jewelry. Mana is never and Issue, I can heal thru Craglorn content where sometimes fights are 10+ minutes without chugging a single pot or having to use my ulti. The illustrous healing mana recovery, the heavy resto staff recovery, your light armor and passive help, together with seducer %3 reduction and a mana regenning shard, NOBODY in this game can complain about mana issues as templar. Sorry, I won't have it.

4. Backlash removed? REALLY? Do you even realize the potential and power of this skill? Casting it every 6 seconds is going to give you 250 free DPS by doing nothing else. Your group mate's need to hit that cap easy regardless of their class. Also, your claim about Backlash'es or their morphs not stacking from different sources is wrong. Different group member's backlashes/potl's all stack. Please again, in order to make a point, do not distort facts.

5. "The templar at 300 DPS, the sorcerer at 700 DPS under exactly the same circumstances, except for the sorcerer having more survivability due to perma-stun of mobs."

Well in your rotation I did not see the Binding Javelin. Did you ever try introducing this skill into your rotation, and preferably casting it after your dark flare? With the dark flare's power increase, that thing is going to hit like a truck and is an insta cast.
POTL ==> Dark Flare => Binding Javelin => Vamp Bane => rinse repeat is going to give you at least 550 dps with a PERMA STUN taht you so envy from sorc line. AFter 3 repeats you will be low on mana, where you can replace the Vamp bane with a few resto staff heavy hits if necessary. But most minibosses will be dead by then, because of POTL.

Conclusion: I do understand some of you want to play the game in a certain way, which currently does not work with templar. For example, trying to play the game without the warlock jewelry or without 5 light armor or without inner fire. Well you are going to gimp yourself without those things but as long as you try different things and find an optimal build, this class is as good as any in %75 of the roles and you should be ok that another class can do 1 role better than you. Stop WoWification of this game where every class is able to heal, tank aoe dps, single target dps as the next one. Diversity is something to be cherished, not to be used to get mad.

Iseldiera wrote: »

I am a V8 Templar, who is trying every single line out there to find the most optimum one for DPS. While the class might have a few problems, I strongly disagree with the OP in certain poiints. It feels to me that he is trying to bend some facts to make a point.

Once you hit VR12 and compare sustained dps to the other classes you'll see how you are wrong. Also, welcome trials and try keep up, I dare ya. VR 8 is no different than VR 1. It's a major difference in craglorn and peak VR PvP.

Iseldiera wrote: »

1. All the heal-line bashing of Templars and trying to make it look as if a sorc is "as good a healer" as templar is a no sell. Let alone those passives, certain boss fights WILL require you to use that insta heal or that grp heal that you get as a Templar, let along the cleansing ritual. Oh, and the ulti heal Please just do not distort the facts just to prove a point (sorc dps>templar)

Sorcers heal without casulties in my guild atleast. So do templars. Trials is easy. However, it's the sustained dps that parts us.

Iseldiera wrote: »

2. If you are doing 300 dps with your Templar at v12, I am sorry but you have not fully explored your class' potential. I am able to easily pull 800 DPS as a 50 destro staff user, and I can get to 550-700 DPS with my single target bar. I am v8 with self crafted gear and crappy vendor sold enchant glyphs.

You do not pull 800 sustained dps in boss fights. I'm calling your lie here. Do you mean aoe? Sure, but sorcs deal 1800 sustained and some even higher in guild.

Iseldiera wrote: »

4. I healed through 1-V4 as a HEAVY ARMOR templar. Did I have mana problems? Of course I did. It was a mess, I could barely make it through but maybe after 1-2 deaths we could kill a boss in an instance. I switched to 5 light now, with Warlock items in jewelry. Mana is never and Issue, I can heal thru Craglorn content where sometimes fights are 10+ minutes without chugging a single pot or having to use my ulti. The illustrous healing mana recovery, the heavy resto staff recovery, your light armor and passive help, together with seducer %3 reduction and a mana regenning shard, NOBODY in this game can complain about mana issues as templar. Sorry, I won't have it.

You can heal veteran naked. It's lack of regen, long cast times and low burst that make us fall behind in longer fights. You obviously didn't check and compare API when it was around. Now that we cleared that out, lets move on.

Iseldiera wrote: »

5. Backlash removed? REALLY? Do you even realize the potential and power of this skill? Casting it every 6 seconds is going to give you 250 free DPS by doing nothing else. Your group mate's need to hit that cap easy regardless of their class. Also, your claim about Backlash'es or their morphs not stacking from different sources is wrong. Different group member's backlashes/potl's all stack. Please again, in order to make a point, do not distort facts.

7.2 seconds. I assume you max out on passives? This should be instant but that the response to another topic.

Iseldiera wrote: »

Conclusion: I do understand some of you want to play the game in a certain way, which currently does not work with templar. For example, trying to play the game without the warlock jewelry or without 5 light armor or without inner fire. Well you are going to gimp yourself without those things but as long as you try different things and find an optimal build, this class is as good as any in %75 of the roles and you should be ok that another class can do 1 role better than you. Stop WoWification of this game where every class is able to heal, tank aoe dps, single target dps as the next one. Diversity is something to be cherished, not to be used to get mad.

You will understand, young padawan. You talk of diversity but push for the same items all the time. And last time I checked, you wear warlock for magicka regen which templars have no problems with, right? Get a clue.