Mortosk wrote: »

Robe wearing Templars can't even compete with sorcerers, melee DPS templars are a complete and utter joke.

Has ESO even ACKNOWLEDGED there is a problem, with either Templars or stamina-based builds? I haven't seen it.

I haven't played since Craglorn came out. I can't. My stamina-based, 1h and shield, medium armor Templar can't even kill one trash mob my level. The game is unplayable. I can't quest. I can't do anything, except research and feed my horse.

Even if they reversed the shield bash nerf, I STILL can't do as much damage as sorcerers. It's so lopsided, it's insulting.

This has been going on for weeks now, and they haven't even acknowledged there is a problem. I cancelled my sub. I doubt they will ever fix this to anyone's satisfaction. Maybe I'll come back in a few months, when this game is forced to switch to free2play to get people to play.

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I use the common Templar DPS rotation scheme: Dark Flare -> Power of the Light -> Light attack -> Rinse Repeat.

That's a terrible rotation... Why arent you using backlash? Why are you using a light attack (presumably with a staff, considering you're set up as a caster) when staff light attacks have terrible dps due to the animation windback? if you're using a destruction staff, why arent you using force shock or impulse to keep a burning DoT up or add extra spell crit?

I'm sorry but if all you're using are those 3 things - dark flare, power of the light, and a light attack repeated over and over again, you have no one to blame for poor dps but yourself.

Sir you are a MORON

i stopped reading your post after this

you do realize that he is using backlash, it morphes to power of light ...

please learn a little more about templars before you bash the poster and telling him that his rotation suck.

although i agree, his rotation sucks a little. but no matter what he does, max burst dps he will get is 800, max sustained dps for long fights is 400.

Completely agree, low levels (pre VR1) healing is kinda fine, but I just parked my Templar as well. I started to play her during early access, enjoyed it immensely, then the problems started around level 35.

Decided to make a sorc alt, leveled my sorc to level 38 in half the time it took my templar to get there, could solo almost any boss or world boss and did insane dps killing everything in more or less 90% faster than my templar (especially after jabs nerf).
I feel like servant of everything and master of none. Currently rolling a NB alt and even she is better at tanking and healing than my Templar.

Most low level dungeons, when my group gets wiped its 90% because I just run out of mana.

just my + for this post. Hope Z see this

Ingwe wrote: »

Completely agree, low levels (pre VR1) healing is kinda fine, but I just parked my Templar as well. I started to play her during early access, enjoyed it immensely, then the problems started around level 35.

Just to disagree, Healing on Templar is easymode. You can pretty much heal with just 1 button - Breath of Life (so long as you set up for it).

I heal Craglorn dungeons and Trials with it. Although for Trials I do take a couple of back-up heals too.

anakaki wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Ingwe wrote: »

Completely agree, low levels (pre VR1) healing is kinda fine, but I just parked my Templar as well. I started to play her during early access, enjoyed it immensely, then the problems started around level 35.

Just to disagree, Healing on Templar is easymode. You can pretty much heal with just 1 button - Breath of Life (so long as you set up for it).

I heal Craglorn dungeons and Trials with it. Although for Trials I do take a couple of back-up heals too.

You can't heal trials with mainly BoL. I wear the best gear in the game. You'll go oom after 10 sec (13 spams after another) with that setup. Please bring something to this topic instead of fabricating.

well you can with a mediocre second healer :P but you´re a wasted slot if you have a great healer acompanied... :P

I disagree with the OP in several major areas. While he may have found what he thinks is the most viable way to run a templar, he is incorrect.

I am also a vr12 templar, and have been for quite some time. I have done over 45 million healing since installing the CLS addon. I have completed all vet dungeons, and sewers maybe 100+ times. I heal, I tank, I tank/heal, and I dps as needed. I have worked through the AA trial past the 2nd boss multiple times.

My gear setup right now I am running is 5 light, 2 heavy. I am running 5 piece soulshine for the 20% bonus to damage and healing with 3 jewelry and 2 heavy armor pieces. The rest is a mix of Willow's Path and other stuff as needed. My crit is over 55% when in heal/dps mode.

Healing:
In 4 man's with a decent group, there are only 2 heals on the bar, Rapid Regen and Breath of Life. Rapid Regen is mostly there to build ultimate. My BoL is instant cast, has crit for over 2.4k heal in one cast, and hits 3 targets. That and the HOT from RR is all the healing a decent group needs, both for trash and and most boss fights.
Your remaining slots for trash and aoe fights should be inner light, volcanic rune, solar barrage, and solar prison ultimate. 2 heals, 2 aoe, 1 passive, and the best aoe group ultimate in the game in solar prison. CCs are >>>>> healing. A healer running without volcanic rune on any trash fights is not using his head.

In AA 12 man Rapid regen becomes uselss as anything but an ultimate builder. Your 2 main heals become mana springs and lingering ritual. In the 2nd boss fight I run roughly 1500 hps on average. Breath of life is still on the bar for those times when random people take a big hit and need a quick heal, and the templar ultimate is on the bar. That is 4 heals with 3 being from the templar heal line, not the resto staff. During that heal spam I am almost never out of magicka without even using heavy attacks due to mana springs and pots.

Tanking:
Any class can tank in this game and do it fairly well. Most of it doesn't have anything to do with class skills. Templars can however both tank and group heal a lot of boss fights in 4 mans like sewers. In fact, a templar can tank+ heal all fights in sewers but the mage, even the last boss fight. With myself tank/healing (without stealth exploits like a nb used to) and 3 dps, we usually kill the 2 bosses in 1 add spawn. No other class can do that role like a templar can, and this role is often the most fun to do.

DPSing:
AoE dps a templar is just fine. We have great aoe tools for burst aoe and I often get between 2k-3k dps for a short time. With any decent group, the fight is over shortly after you have spent your wad.

Single target dps we are very limited. Especially at this time with backlash having issues. I used to fairly easily push 500-600 single target dps when backlash was reliable. Is it behind other classes, yes, but considering a templars utility, I don't have much of an issue with it. Without backlash, we are down to 300-400 though, so huge point to any dev who might read this. . . FIX AND STABILIZE BACKLASH PLEASE!!!!!

Osheal wrote: »

I disagree with the OP in several major areas. While he may have found what he thinks is the most viable way to run a templar, he is incorrect.

I am also a vr12 templar, and have been for quite some time. I have done over 45 million healing since installing the CLS addon. I have completed all vet dungeons, and sewers maybe 100+ times. I heal, I tank, I tank/heal, and I dps as needed. I have worked through the AA trial past the 2nd boss multiple times.

My gear setup right now I am running is 5 light, 2 heavy. I am running 5 piece soulshine for the 20% bonus to damage and healing with 3 jewelry and 2 heavy armor pieces. The rest is a mix of Willow's Path and other stuff as needed. My crit is over 55% when in heal/dps mode.

Healing:
In 4 man's with a decent group, there are only 2 heals on the bar, Rapid Regen and Breath of Life. Rapid Regen is mostly there to build ultimate. My BoL is instant cast, has crit for over 2.4k heal in one cast, and hits 3 targets. That and the HOT from RR is all the healing a decent group needs, both for trash and and most boss fights.
Your remaining slots for trash and aoe fights should be inner light, volcanic rune, solar barrage, and solar prison ultimate. 2 heals, 2 aoe, 1 passive, and the best aoe group ultimate in the game in solar prison. CCs are >>>>> healing. A healer running without volcanic rune on any trash fights is not using his head.

In AA 12 man Rapid regen becomes uselss as anything but an ultimate builder. Your 2 main heals become mana springs and lingering ritual. In the 2nd boss fight I run roughly 1500 hps on average. Breath of life is still on the bar for those times when random people take a big hit and need a quick heal, and the templar ultimate is on the bar. That is 4 heals with 3 being from the templar heal line, not the resto staff. During that heal spam I am almost never out of magicka without even using heavy attacks due to mana springs and pots.

Tanking:
Any class can tank in this game and do it fairly well. Most of it doesn't have anything to do with class skills. Templars can however both tank and group heal a lot of boss fights in 4 mans like sewers. In fact, a templar can tank+ heal all fights in sewers but the mage, even the last boss fight. With myself tank/healing (without stealth exploits like a nb used to) and 3 dps, we usually kill the 2 bosses in 1 add spawn. No other class can do that role like a templar can, and this role is often the most fun to do.

DPSing:
AoE dps a templar is just fine. We have great aoe tools for burst aoe and I often get between 2k-3k dps for a short time. With any decent group, the fight is over shortly after you have spent your wad.

Single target dps we are very limited. Especially at this time with backlash having issues. I used to fairly easily push 500-600 single target dps when backlash was reliable. Is it behind other classes, yes, but considering a templars utility, I don't have much of an issue with it. Without backlash, we are down to 300-400 though, so huge point to any dev who might read this. . . FIX AND STABILIZE BACKLASH PLEASE!!!!!

You disagree with OP and try teaching him how to play but only made it passed second boss in AA? Stopped reading after that.

Ive cleared it 30+ times and hit VR 12 the same day craglorn was released so I think of myself as atleast somewhat knowledgable. I agree with OP and his concerns are legit. Maybe you will too when you get in a group that dont need you ( i.e. when you cleared trials so many times you do it for the time, not gear or whatever).

Templar's Blazing Shield hits for 3.5k in pvp, and you cry still

Met a 2H sorcerer tonight and we had a long talk about 2H, sorcerers etc.


So off to Elder Root for respec my Templar. (3rd respec, initially 1-50 as Shield and up to VR5 as DW).

I put 2 light 5 heavy. Equip myself and off I went.

Surprisingly, I took over 4-5 VR4 mobs spawns that was impossible to kill before, and without casting emergency heal (Breath of Life), nor switching at any point on resto.

I was opening with Stampede -> Solar Barrage -> Brawler -> Ritual. After that hack them to death with Solar Barrage every 2nd melee hit. (usually Brawler for the shield buff).

Solar Barrage I, gives 55 Weapon/Spell power to the next attack at VR5 and the damage is AoE. (1300 Magicka atm).

Brawler benefits from that 55, and with 2H passives + heavy armour + balanced warrior + flawless dawnbreaker, hits like a truck.

Uppercut is even more insane, when they follow Solar Barrage.

Is it perfect? Nope. If you want to apply maths and be better go get Destro staff.

(you can use Javelin also if you want to spam Stampede & Uppercut)


Is it working? After 6 hours cutting through VR4-5 content, yes. Much much better than before to say the least.

I didn't died on the first 3 trash mobs spawn, and solo killed some dungeon bosses also. That matters.
(ok on bosses needed some healing).

Seriously, until they fix the class, I will go as is and being happy with it. Gave hope and life to my Templar, who was looking kinda sad.

My first toon is my V12 templar, but I also have a V10 Sorc and now a V12 DK (Craglorn making leveling from V1 to V12 insanely fast)

My Templar is in full gold, my DK and Sorc are in just blue but I can tank better and heal better with my Sorc then my templar ever could.

Besides the low dps, the templars NEED a resource management skill. All other classes have one or two. Templars had a good 'passive' one in beta but it was taken and the dev's said they would replace it with something but never did.
Just delete the templar and give anyone a one way covert to DK or Sorc.

I didn't read the whole thread, I just wanted to say Templar's pulling 300 dps are bad.

Osheal wrote: »

anakaki wrote: »

You disagree with OP and try teaching him how to play but only made it passed second boss in AA? Stopped reading after that.

Ive cleared it 30+ times and hit VR 12 the same day craglorn was released so I think of myself as atleast somewhat knowledgable. I agree with OP and his concerns are legit. Maybe you will too when you get in a group that dont need you ( i.e. when you cleared trials so many times you do it for the time, not gear or whatever).

Everyone knows clearing AA right now involves joining an elite guild running mostly DKs/Sorcs through the trials, not individual knowledge of the class or individual skill lol. Leet guilds who are often full of people with attitudes like yours, which is of course why I don't join such guilds. Clearing AA and getting gold gear isn't as important to me as enjoying the people I do it with. I actually lead the 12 man myself and I don't exclude any classes so we have 2 DKs and way too many NBs. But all the NBs are my friends and none will be excluded as long as they want to come. Will we clear AA eventually? Of course, but it may not be soon. I've been leading stuff in mmos for 15 years and a valuable lesson learned is that the people will go with you to the next mmo, but the gear does not.

Reaching v12 the first day craglorn came out? Big whup. I reached v11 the first day and v12 a day later. Just means you had more time. So you can take your false sense of personal value based on nothing, combine it with your bad attitude, and quit over not playing a class that can get into leetist AA runs to the next mmo you choose to play, and begin over with nothing.

Bad attitude? Someone's being sensitive.

I know my personal value. I'm one if the few templars who gets to go along in AA as the spec I want. I do very well. I'd do better still if the classes where remotley balanced.

Osheal wrote: »

Everyone knows clearing AA right now involves joining an elite guild running mostly DKs/Sorcs through the trials.

[snip]!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdPhuHWLbWQ

2 NB, 1 DK, 2 Sorc, 7 Templars (3 as healers)

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Witar wrote: »

Templar's Blazing Shield hits for 3.5k in pvp, and you cry still

theres no way to hit that with Blazing Shield, its impossible.
3k health(more than avg player) + 54% health shield(6 people near) = 1512 - 50%(damage the shield returns) = 756(assuming the players has 0 armor), thats FAR from 3.5k.

anakaki wrote: »

You can't heal trials with mainly BoL. I wear the best gear in the game. You'll go oom after 10 sec (13 spams after another) with that setup. Please bring something to this topic instead of fabricating.

You absolutely can heal trials with BoL