Not enough to write home about, obviously

Also if they manage to have a server merge in this game im gonna lmao

wrlifeboil wrote: »

My guess between 500k to 1 million subs. If it is 100k-200k we will probably be hearing about 'reallocation of resources' soon.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and I respect the view of others, the reason I think the game dosen't have close to 1 million subs now is that the game would then have had to have sold 2 million copies the first month. That would have made the game Top #5 on sites like Xfire, and best sellers on Amazon etc.

Take guild wars 2, it has sold around 4 million copies last I checked, and it's still two years later Top #10 on Xfire. That's what you get with those kind of numbers.

It just dosen't add up. The numbers I see all over the web, is extremly comparable to TSW. If I remember correctly Funcom didn't release any bad news before after about 2 months when they had to fire half the staff.

Zenimax however is going to release the game for Xbox/Ps4, they can't fire half the staff, that would have been extremly damaging, instead they hire people, so obviously they have decent funding.

It's still early on, and Zenimax has other projects so we don't know how they move staff around internally.

To be honst, if they're going to continue what they do now untill the console release there's no point to bother. By then we'll have VR 20 and months and months of grind for the console players who do it legit.

In my opinion the game need a new direction and they need to scrap the VR sytem, build a new item system.

The main reason why I quit was because I had reached VR 5 and started to use the Vr 5 dungeon gear I had farmed hard for, I eventually after testing it realised it was crap, and when I analyzed the Vr 10 gear it was the same conclusion and I realised this would probably be the same for Craglorn and my guess was correct so my motivation to continue to grind went out the window.

When they don't manage to make the dungeon tier gear usefull to the players they have a major problem, and releasing two new dungeons with the same itemization in 2-3 weeks is completly pointless.

mutharex wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Forums tend to be populated by the more dedicated players. Which is why the hardcore believe their views are general views. The more casual the player, the less likely they are to frequent forums.

Activity on the Forum is not a sign of Dedication or being Hardcore. In fact quite the opposite - most people are just happy to play the game to even bother with what goes on here. And the crowd that is having fun with the game has little reason to go on the Forums and post.

"Now please stop pretending that you are the voice of the people. You just happen to be loud, and wearing a microphone." - Lota, Schlock Mercenary, to a Reporter.

Dear lord your reading comprehendion failed there didnt it. I said tend to be more dedicated, understand what that means.

It's not rocket science that less dedicated people would not use the forums as much. That's common sense. Clearly it's not common these days

I disagree, 2 of my friends are very dedicated but never go to the forums because they don't care what other nerds think about their favourite past time

Still failing. I did not in anyway say that dedicated players all use the forums.

dude, freaks and nerds use the forums, normal people don't. Just accept it

Very true. That's exactly what I'm saying. Freaks and nerds do tend to be dedicated gamers though. I was just being more polite about it lol.

bean19 wrote: »

LordEcks wrote: »

kaosodin wrote: »

People slamming fists down, I quit. But still posting?

QQ isn't fun unless someone else sees you doing it.

You don't think ZeniMax wants to know why people are leaving? Do they have a retention survey for people who unsub (and does it have open boxes for actual responses or is it like WoW's unsub polls that had very specific complaints they were already planning to fix and nothing else)?

They got a survey, with questions why you unsub etc.

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

As a privately held company, don't look for Zenimax Media to release this game's sub numbers. They're certainly not going to answer a forum query about it.

Zenimax Media through Bethesda released Skyrim numbers on launch day and a week after launch and a few months after launch. I wonder what's different with eso?

MMO's always show number of subs this or producers sold that, unless it has failed. You do the math

No one knows but they sure ain't bragging about it.

Not many subs. Just saw 50% off for ESO on Amazon.

What does Amazon have to do with ZoS?

Ysne58 wrote: »

What does Amazon have to do with ZoS?

Amazon does not make up prices or give *** away. If ESO is half price in one of the world's big retailers it's because the 50% cut is coming from Zenimax's net or because amazon have a lot of inventory that ain't shifting.

Neither option says anything good.

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

Ysne58 wrote: »

What does Amazon have to do with ZoS?

Amazon does not make up prices or give *** away. If ESO is half price in one of the world's big retailers it's because the 50% cut is coming from Zenimax's net or because amazon have a lot of inventory that ain't shifting.

Neither option says anything good.

Cause those are the only two reasons Amazon has sales. Jeez, I hate to break it to all the people who like the things on their Daily Deals section. All Blizzard games are also 50% off. They must be suffering across the board too! Dooms day for them!

And all those services on Amazon local.. a lot of stuff I can get for either Free or like.. 75% off. Jeez, those companies must be going out of business.

The Gloomers are always 'concerned' about the numbers, why? You thinking of investing?\Or is this a sneaky way to give the Doom & Gloom crowd another chance to spread their gospel, all in an effort to be 'right'?

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

There is this argument about not releasing figures because they are private company

Rubbish mate absolute rubbish.

In Vanilla within 6 months it was a sticker on every box saying 4 million , then 5 etc

If the subs were impressive it would be everywhere absolutely everywhere . The only logical conclusion is that they are too low to disclose which worries me as I like this game very much

Exactly this. I'd say in the 250,000-500,000 range. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I like the game SOMETIMES. It's obvious this game is heading towards a free to play model. Again, this isn't necessarily bad. A lot of people say SWTOR got a lot better after F2P. DCUO had an awesome F2P model.

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

There is this argument about not releasing figures because they are private company

Rubbish mate absolute rubbish.

In Vanilla within 6 months it was a sticker on every box saying 4 million , then 5 etc

If the subs were impressive it would be everywhere absolutely everywhere . The only logical conclusion is that they are too low to disclose which worries me as I like this game very much

You are halfly correct.

Private companies do not have to release any records what so ever then their finacials. And where the money comes from in a company is impossible to say without going through every single debit and credit.

Several people have already stated a very good rules among most MMO.

1st month: Lots of players. New games are fun and MMOs sometimes offers 30 days free. However, some people mistake this to be able to buy the game, get 30 days free, then full money back.

2-3 months: Less players. Several reasons. Players who just didnt like the game because it was not what they expected, wanted or simply didnt like it. This is very normal among alot of games. Not just MMOs.

3-6 months: Here you starting to get a feeling about the player base. About the game as a whole and how the company is running it. Still, to early in the MMO world to cast a verdict.

6 months +. Here you can start looking at player base. Even though most companies do not release these figures, its starting to show.

6 months to 12: First of all, ANY MMO that has a monthly fee for each account, will have such money problems if there are a low player base, that they change drasticly towards what to do next. Free to play, is not the only option.

IF any MMO with a pay per month to play, still is developing, expanding, adding new content and got communication in towards their player base. Then the MMO HAS well enough players for the company to continue in its business plan.

2 years of pay per month, per account = The MMO has players, new as old.

It is very important to understand that a successful MMO do NOT have to reach the giant success of WoW with 11.5 Mil subscribers at their top, and currently I believe its somewhere around 5 Mil.

Anyone who have noticed the message you get when you log on, which is information about how to make an account, ONLY means one thing. The game has sold more then "normal" amonths of new copies of the game.

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

If the subs were impressive it would be everywhere absolutely everywhere . The only logical conclusion is that they are too low to disclose which worries me as I like this game very much

Maybe so.

But in business, bragging about their own success can backfire, and there are more ways to communicate a bigger player base then yelling all over about it.

I think Zenimax is very brave and choosing the right thing here. They focus on the game, on their plans. On how and when to do what.

Then when they are sure, the release a press release and even better, post their big plans in "the road ahead", as well, as showing us what to come by opening the PTS server and the DEVS are answering questions about what WILL come, even though they could choose not to answer at all.

One example is the 2 upcoming guilds and the justice system.
They confirmed these 3 features will be added, but not when and even answered WHY they can not tell us when yet.

WoW started off with lots of sub numbers which took them by surprise and subs kept growing every month until it peaked in WotLK. 12+ mill or so? Maybe that game's initial success was an anomaly but who knows.

Pretty much.....massive sub drops + box price decreases within the first 3 months is NORMAL for bad MMOs, period. History is repeating itself once again in ESO.