Selodaoc wrote: »

Not only DW abilities, Class skills while using Dual Wield is extremly weak aswell.

Infact, hiding and then using 2h charged attack does 2 times the damage of hiding DW Suprise attack

Both Class skills and DW skills needs to be brought up alot in dmg.

Add Bow in there. Along with the much needed help to Stamina builds, overall damage output for Dual Wield and Bow need some big increases to be competitive with other weps.

This isn't just about class skills, but the skill/weapon combinations people want to make to play a melee character, which means attention also needs to be paid to the weapons that melee character would use.

Still think Hemorrhage needs an increase - should be 5%-10% Crit Strike Damage bonus for each assassination ability sloted that way DW would be automatically buffed and allow those wanting to play HIGH DPS Melee NB the option to do so. (As long as they have the Assassination skills slotted)

F7sus4 wrote: »

curlyqloub14_ESO wrote: »

Dual Wield and Bow need some big increases to be competitive with other weps.

No, they don't. Please read "edit" note above.

That's your opinion, fine, I believe otherwise. The damage output from Dual Wield and Bow is extremely disappointing compared to other weps. I don't care or mind if other classes benefit from this as well - let them, it will still help us more. Besides, when did NB become an exclusive club that should be the only ones getting any help?

The fact remains that the NBs who want to play melee/stealth/assassin/whatevers and use a stamina build (and if that's what they want, they should be able to do that) will most be wanting to use these weapons, and the resource cost to use these weapons in return for the output you get from them (in comparison to other weapons) is not well adjusted. Either increase their damage (especially the AoE skills), or decrease their cost and increase attack speed.

You can buff the class skills all you want, and I would like that too and agree it would help, but those skills still all rely on Magicka, so they still won't do much for the med-armor stamina builds who are really at the crux of this whole problem/debate.

Edit - I've had a second thought on this issue, and the more I think about it, the more I like this idea (though it seem unlikely it will ever happen). If buffing the weapon damage is really just too hard of a pill to swallow, I'd propose this:

Get rid of either Executioner passive or Dark Veil passive, (they are both pretty lackluster anyway), and in place of whichever one of those you prefer to axe, add in a new passive, call it Shadow Lashing or Throat Slitter or Dark Beatdown or whatever, and make it an always-active overall damage boost to weapon/melee attacks. And make it a good boost too, like 10-15%, not this measly 1% or 2%. That way we keep it in our exclusive nightblade club, but also get the weapon damage increase we are so much needing (and as a bonus it would help mitigate some of the damage loss from Siphoning Strikes).

PTS Patch Notes 1.2
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107007/for-your-reading-pleasure-pts-patch-notes-1-2

A s s a s s i n a t i o n

• Assassin’s Blade: This ability’s visual effects are now easier to see.
• Incapacitate (Haste morph): This ability now increases heavy attack damage.
• Master Assassin: This passive ability now increases spell power in addition to weapon power. Its stun duration increase has also been added to the tooltip.
• Reaper’s Mark (Mark Target morph): This ability’s weapon and spell damage buff no longer stacks with itself – the duration of the damage buff will now just refresh upon each kill.

S h a d o w

• Path of Darkness: Increased the damage for this ability, and it can now be seen by all other player characters. Also fixed an issue where it was ticking more times than intended on a target.
• Refreshing Path: This ability will now heal your allies, and the healing done has been slightly increased.
• Refreshing Shadows: This passive ability is now always active, and no longer requires you to use another ability.

S i p h o n i n g

• Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): The tooltip for this ability now shows the correct percentage of health recovery.
• Magicka Flood: This ability now correctly increases your maximum magicka.
• Siphoning Strikes: This ability now restores slightly less resources, and will no longer desync your resource bars upon use.
• Soul Siphon (Soul Shred morph): Edited the tooltip for this ability so it’s more consistent with all other tooltips, and fixed an issue so the upgrade tooltip now states that it does less damage than the base ability.
• Strife: Fixed an issue where the red glow from this ability would last longer than intended.

This is my translation of the PTS Patch Notes 1.2:

A s s a s s i n a t i o n

• Assassin’s Blade: no DPS change
• Incapacitate (Haste morph): Now works with melee but not with ranged weapons
• Master Assassin: Magicka DPS increase
• Reaper’s Mark (Mark Target morph): DPS decrease

S h a d o w

• Path of Darkness: Damage increase DPS decrease
• Refreshing Path: Healing increased and added synergy
• Refreshing Shadows: 15% increases to stamina recovery, stamina DPS increases Only while using shadow abilities

S i p h o n i n g

• Leeching Strikes (Siphoning Strikes morph): no DPS change
• Magicka Flood: Magicka DPS increase
• Siphoning Strikes: DPS decrease
• Soul Siphon : no DPS change
• Strife: no DPS change

This is stupid. Why is they nerfing siphoning strikes when It already nerfed. I wish they could lower the damage debuff. All I want to play as a bow wielding Night Blade but I guess I can not play a Nightblade with magic. Stamina does not increase the damage of my bow I can not use haste to increase the speed of my bow to do enough damage to kill an enemy before it kills me. Using shadow cloak stops working before before I can hide from the enemy doing damage. No synergy with bows and other weapons. I just fixes for my nightblade to actually do damage and is actually unique enough that it as viable of a class like sorcerers and dragon knights.Also fix heavy armor and medium armor light armor have way better buffs.

Maverick827 wrote: »

Can a developer please explain why Siphoning Strikes was nerfed? I'm seriously getting sick of all of these inexplicable nerfs, to all classes, for that matter.

I think most of us read the PTS notes and were left confused.

It would really go a looooooooong way if a dev could come in here and start explaining these changes. Better still, stay active in this thread gathering feedback from the players still persevering with this under performing class.

Silly me I thought that's why they stickied this thread in the first place.

F7sus4 wrote: »

TheBucket wrote: »

My 2h/DW/Bow NB does really good in PvE. Power Extraction/Whirlwind/VoB is nice. I guess people just like their cookie cutter builds and then complain when they are not as good as theb other classes cookie cutter builds

This is because you're under level 50, that's why. A rookie "insightless" opinion.

Actually, I'm VR+.. Please continue to use your spam conceal weapon spec though, and continue to whine about how we are underpowered.

Sorry, but some of you need some more insight on how to make builds, and stop looking at outdated youtube builds.

Arreyanne wrote: »

Maverick827 wrote: »

Can a developer please explain why Siphoning Strikes was nerfed? I'm seriously getting sick of all of these inexplicable nerfs, to all classes, for that matter.

The reduce the amount of resources restored but leave the 20-28% damage reduction this is just classic screw you NB

You don't think getting a full stamina and magika bar in 3-4 swings as DW is a bit much? I agree with the change, but I rarely use the ability anymore due to my regens are already capped.

Well I just read the 1.2 patch notes and ended my subscription. It has 16 days of game time remaining on it, ill keep checking the forums in that time to see if they can change my mind.

back to darkfall unholy wars for me(custom roles coming). Canceled both my subs today. Ill check back on eso in a month or two.

Nerfs.....really, NERFS!

How in the holy *** did you guys look at the NB class and come up with: "Hmm, I think we should nerf this class, it seems a bit overpowered."

You Devs should post a thread telling us what drugs you guys are using, cause we need some in order to skew our perceptions of reality enough to understand your line of thinking.

I don't know about other NB's, but i'm just going to make a new character as a DK or sorc and forget all about my NB. Our class is becoming more and more of a joke for dps as time goes on. Our tanking and healing is fine but an assassin being good at dps nah we can't have that...

Waffles1991 wrote: »

I don't know about other NB's, but i'm just going to make a new character as a DK or sorc and forget all about my NB. Our class is becoming more and more of a joke for dps as time goes on. Our tanking and healing is fine but an assassin being good at dps nah we can't have that...

Yeah, that's not an option for me either. I don't have much time to play these days, my main is only VR5. I'm not going to waste another 2 months re-rolling because Zenimax have no idea how to balance the game. I've lost all faith after seeing these PTS notes.

This has to be a joke.......