Nightblade Update

steveb16_ESO46

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

Jeddahwe wrote: »

If you want to DPS in this game forget class and think weapon...Get away from the 'class' mentality guys..class affects the least!

DPS: Staff (can you DPS as anything else? OFC. Is it as efficient as staff? NO!)
Tank: Shield
Healer: Staff

Simplez

This thread is 32 pages long. And the conclusion you come to after all that is we have to be told to use a staff for dps?

God give me strength.

Really.

Guess what, Everyone has to use Staff for DPS, you're not a special snowflake.

Those DK's everyone whines about..Light Armor and a Staff, right now you can pull more DPS then them in RAIDS doing the same thing as a Nightblade.

The Euro's have caught onto it as well

"Maybe in US u had that DK meta in trials. NBs were highly wanted in EU, and in fact just before patch came out, top EU guild cleared AA below 10 min mark with 5 NB’s"

I'm sorry you want to play a Medium Armor Duel Wielder and the DPS sucks, but guess what..It sucks on every class, including DK's

Wow. You're really throwing yourself into your role as Captain Obvious aren't you?

Glissando

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

Jeddahwe wrote: »

If you want to DPS in this game forget class and think weapon...Get away from the 'class' mentality guys..class affects the least!

DPS: Staff (can you DPS as anything else? OFC. Is it as efficient as staff? NO!)
Tank: Shield
Healer: Staff

Simplez

This thread is 32 pages long. And the conclusion you come to after all that is we have to be told to use a staff for dps?

God give me strength.

Really.

Guess what, Everyone has to use Staff for DPS, you're not a special snowflake.

Those DK's everyone whines about..Light Armor and a Staff, right now you can pull more DPS then them in RAIDS doing the same thing as a Nightblade.

The Euro's have caught onto it as well

"Maybe in US u had that DK meta in trials. NBs were highly wanted in EU, and in fact just before patch came out, top EU guild cleared AA below 10 min mark with 5 NB’s"

I'm sorry you want to play a Medium Armor Duel Wielder and the DPS sucks, but guess what..It sucks on every class, including DK's

I'm fairly curious.If the game would only work with 2H swords and sorcs would have to use 2H swords to be competitive would you still say these things?

Elminster

I am not sure what they fixed???? It's a joke that a vr12 nb cant do vr3/vr4 content w/o dieing...., and its hard to even solo a public dungeon that too w/o death, BUT a sorc is able to do this with ease at even levels or levels lower, FFS stop forcing us to play the game the way you want us to play.

anyway game is dead players has already left in doves, guess its gonna to be ftp sometime down the road.

game isnt build by gamers but by them suits.

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Sadly, it seems to be a fact of MMOs that people that hate them refuse to leave so those of us that enjoy them can do it in peace.

Glissando

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Sadly, it seems to be a fact of MMOs that people that hate them refuse to leave so those of us that enjoy them can do it in peace.

You can enjoy it in peace,no one is forcing you to come here and read our frustrations.It's another fact of MMOs that people who don't understand the basics of these games enjoy them a lot more than those that know a thing or two about how the mechanics of such a game should work.

ferzalrwb17_ESO

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Sadly, it seems to be a fact of MMOs that people that hate them refuse to leave so those of us that enjoy them can do it in peace.

Sadly it seems some people that are clearly in the minority and don't have any problems with the game (do you even have a NB?) refuse to stay out of threads that are about problems with the game and feedback on fixing those issues.

They encourage people who have issues with the game to just quit, not help improve it and not help ensure the longevity of the game thus resulting in:
The death of the game.

It's an odd position.

Loco_Mofo

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Sadly, it seems to be a fact of MMOs that people that hate them refuse to leave so those of us that enjoy them can do it in peace.

You seem a little confused. You think we're here because we hate MMOs?

Personally I'm here because I like the game, but I hate what the devs are doing to it.

Baskat

This announcement feels like a moving carrot, but a rotten one.
I'm really disappointed.

VanMuenzi

my guess would be that due to the stamina reg buff from the Refreshing Shadows the wanted to reduce the reg from siphonings to not give us indefinitly stamina ... the only issue here is ... what about those build with surprise attacks etc relying on magicka. they gonna be screwed by that change, ending up with more stam the dont really need anyway.

Jarnhand

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »

Jeddahwe wrote: »

If you want to DPS in this game forget class and think weapon...Get away from the 'class' mentality guys..class affects the least!

DPS: Staff (can you DPS as anything else? OFC. Is it as efficient as staff? NO!)
Tank: Shield
Healer: Staff

Simplez

This thread is 32 pages long. And the conclusion you come to after all that is we have to be told to use a staff for dps?

God give me strength.

Really.

Guess what, Everyone has to use Staff for DPS, you're not a special snowflake.

Those DK's everyone whines about..Light Armor and a Staff, right now you can pull more DPS then them in RAIDS doing the same thing as a Nightblade.

The Euro's have caught onto it as well

"Maybe in US u had that DK meta in trials. NBs were highly wanted in EU, and in fact just before patch came out, top EU guild cleared AA below 10 min mark with 5 NB’s"

I'm sorry you want to play a Medium Armor Duel Wielder and the DPS sucks, but guess what..It sucks on every class, including DK's

And this is the tragicly sad truth about ESO isnt it; the best armor is light armor and the best weapon is a staff, ON ANY CHARACTER NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT TO DO!

How stupidly broken and sad isnt this?! I am truly sad for Matt and the gang, they wanted to make a new unique game where the slogan is "play how you want", based on the freedom and CLASSLESS game system of the Elder Scrolls. And what we have as a result is so broken game/combat mechanics/logic that the best weapon and the best armor is the same no matter what class you select or what skills you want to use (sorry there is one exception; tanking, then I GUESS the best is shield + handed). Sure you can play however you want, but if you do not use 1 weapon type and 1 armor type, you are a gimp, and not wanted in end game content.

And into this mess, they put timed trial races! Seriously, do this at a time where combat mechanics are 'broken', and there are HUGE class imbalances. This could have been delayed for months, there was no need for it now, this is NOT "Path of Exile". Its an MMO that is SUPPOSEDLY meant to be about people playing together, not a game type where half of the classes are not wanted or needed, in end game content (yes some poor Templars are wanted for some healing, but not needed, others can heal).

This game was broken the second some smart design group at Zenimax decided that when using class skills, you can use whatever weapon you want to, even the skills that are clearly 'deadly melee weapon' skills. Didnt they see problems coming? What was people in the closed beta test doing all this time, finding exploits to abuse after launch? I myself were in the last few open betas, and I reported a lot of stuff, all from fluff to serious issues.

I love this game, but I am seriously concerned how long it will be before this game is the laughing stock of the MMO genre, and goes F2P. If things do not drasticly change, it will be remembered as the MMO where everyone and their grandmother used a staff and light armor, and hoards in PvP ran around in peasant costumes.

The only thing that can save this game, is if Zenimax get a grip and take a 90 degree turn and start to apply logic and reason to balancing this game out. Just forget about the Elder Scrolls mind set already, it was dead the second classes were introduced. If they do not look at the core problems, they will never ever be able to make this game work. It will be a game for a selected few min/maxers that respec to the current FOTM over and over and over, based on each patch that tries desperately to balance things out.

Yes, there are some stuff that looks great on paper (for example freedom in playstyle and skills and specs), the problem is they just do not work in reality, because it becomes an almost impossible task to make it balanced (once again take a look at "Path of Exile")! The more freedom there is in character creation, the more exploit/fotm/abuse builds you will have, and you will never ever be able to balance it out, because to balance the exploit builds you need to nerf core features of the classes, which again leads to everyone with a normal/intended spec, is gimped, because they try to nerf the abuse/exploit specs.

And in this grand task I wish you the best of luck Zenimax, I really do, I love the game, but I honestly do not have a lot of faith in the path you are taking to fix things, looking at latest patch notes. Because it seems to me you are not going to the core of the problem, you are just desperately trying to apply a band-aid while hemmorhaging customers along the way.

williams226

I did think maybe adding a passive to each armour, light armour passive switches your class abilities to magika and spell crit, medium armour passive swithes class abilities to stamina and weapon crit, not sure what you would do for heavy.... or break stuns...

Just a though but is it just another Band-Aid!

Animus0724

This post will go unnoticed

siuolly

ZOS, why is siphon strike reduce the restored resource without reduce the cost penalty? That's just plain silly. Moreover, I don't see any change that help a lot of us who wants to build a stamina build and/or range like bow.

Blinks

Any great ideas the community has, do Zenimax even read and discuss? or do they just go...

"Nah scrub thought of it"

Selodaoc

The forum is Zenimax trashbin, they never read the forums.
The forum moderators are outsourced and have nothing to do with Zenimax other then getting paid.

Just check the developer tracker, its 99% patchnotes, no replies to players.
Check the support, its only other players answearing players questions.

Obus

Can any dev please give any explanations about Siphoning nerf? If you nerf the resource generation, why the hell you don't low the damage debuff? It has no sense at all.

Haxer

So as a VR med/DW/NB dps i have been watching this thread closely, and experiencing a lot of the issues stated. That said, there is way too much butthurt rage, ultimatums, and crying going on here. Everyone needs to chill with the mob mentality, and try being constructive instead of just foaming at the mouth.

My experience has been this. I have tried everything I can to make this work, I have respec'd countless times trying different things, I have all 3 class lines to 50, DW and med to 50.

With all the tools at my disposal in the trees listed above (all 3 class trees, dw, med) as Zeni says Playing My Way™ I have resulted in this for VR content:

1. I have one effective opener (stealth > surprise attack) I am pretty much forced into using this, and would like to have options.
2. I have an effective ST execute (Assassins Blade) and one not so effective AoE execute (Whirlwind).
3. I have no good options for producing good DPS in-between opening and executing. If the opener doesn't put the target into execute range, I'm SoL and my DPS is terrible.
4. Survivability is extremely low, and not consistent with what "med" armor should be (i.e. Med should have good small encounter survivability, with heavy being able to tank for larger encounters). If I have to fight more than 1-2 mobs, and VoB is not up, I am dead.

Numbers 3 and 4 in particular need addressing asap. Thanks!

Harakh

You will never get an DEV to post on such issues cause everything they will say, will cause moaning

Maverick827

Harakh wrote: »

You will never get an DEV to post on such issues cause everything they will say, will cause moaning

Because being silent causes everyone to post positive things.

Eivar

tbh

Maverick827 wrote: »

Harakh wrote: »

You will never get an DEV to post on such issues cause everything they will say, will cause moaning

Because being silent causes everyone to post positive things.

Sadly at this point any kind of response or lack of it will garner hate, they simply aren't likely to say anything officially at this point. I would love to see a new AMA crop up but I wouldn't bet on it.

GreasedLizard

I can 'spam' concealed wep for maybe 5 sec before OOM without Siphoning. So my 445 damage move will be that -22%
DoT spec works on zero bosses.
ULT was nerfed hard.
Inivs blows compared to 'hiding'
Is there anything NB excels at? Pretty well everything is done better by another class (maybe abusing shadow tanking)

The one gleaming turd that looks appealing is raising the ridiculously low weapon damage cap, (v1.2 PTS) which will make PE far better for weapon line synergies. I have a Pulsar/Whirl build that is great for AoE farming in a party. Doesn't help me in raids though!

.. and for the love of God, can you please fix the PvP buffs that were broken over a week ago.

There is also a huge issue with critical skills related to armor type. We need phys crit for class skills (mainly) but they use Magicka (which you get zero regen or cost reduction without Light AR)

So you wear light and use the crappy M Crit skills. so you can synergize? Inner Light etc as well? No idea what you guys were on, but there is zero synergy between armor passive, class lines and the like. Some serious identity issues

Blinks

NightBlade - "Why do you hate me so much Mr Zenimax team Leader...?"

Zenimax - " Because you're a NightBlade"

NigthBlade - "That's Classism!! I'm reporting you! AND posting on the forums!"

Zenimax - " Do it! I dare you! know one cares!"

NightBlade - "You're in trouble, I'm getting you NERFED!!"

Zenimax - " Actually got buffed, just received a pay-rise"

Wolfaen

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

Anyone having issues with Killer blades healing on the kill shot? Just tested it on 5 npc's and it failed to give me the 18% heal actually it just failed to heal period. I am reloggin to re-test but was hoping someone else can confirm or deny this.

okay so closing out of the client fixed the issue but keep an eye on it as it could be an intermittent issue like a lot of our other abilities.

sigh well after a death it reseting again and is not giving me the heal so apparently its back to logging out after every death or instance change on the NB again farking devs.

Yes, the heal on Killers blade bugs out after dying and requires you to zone or relog to work properly again. I have tested this many times over the past two weeks to confirm.. Just another broken skill to add to the list.

yelloweyedemon

I blame the devs that made QQ'ing on the forums easier tbh...

Wolfaen

Glissando wrote: »

PyroDes86 wrote: »

paying a subscription for hotfixes that usually break and excuses of "we will get to it at some point" astonishing

Yeah.I was all over the guys that were "it's gonna be f2p in 2 months blabla" and i never thought that that would be the case because the game has ENORMOUS POTENTIAL.I never would have thought that ZoS wouldn't be able to manage the situation and that so many problems would still be here after 2 months.

It would be so easy to make a freaking forum thread to let us now that they're aware of the issues and that they're trying to fix some of them.
You can't expect us to keep paying when your communication with the player-base is close to zero.I wanna know what's happening and what i'm paying for.

It's just that ZoS either hates us for some *** reason or they have literally NO IDEA how to handle the pile of crap that they're in.

meh...i am so disappointed.

Are you joking? You just posted in a forum thread that is exactly what you are complaining about. I agree ZOS is pretty bad with communication, but at least they have said they are aware of the NB issues are are working to fix them.

Maverick827

Are they working to fix them? The biggest thing coming out of 1.2 is a nerf to NB's best skill. Maybe they have their reasoms, but if so, I want to know them.

Scratch that, I deserve to know them. I pay $15 a month for better content and customer service than F2P MMO's, and so far I'm not seeing it.

Glissando

Wolfaen wrote: »

Glissando wrote: »

PyroDes86 wrote: »

paying a subscription for hotfixes that usually break and excuses of "we will get to it at some point" astonishing

Yeah.I was all over the guys that were "it's gonna be f2p in 2 months blabla" and i never thought that that would be the case because the game has ENORMOUS POTENTIAL.I never would have thought that ZoS wouldn't be able to manage the situation and that so many problems would still be here after 2 months.

It would be so easy to make a freaking forum thread to let us now that they're aware of the issues and that they're trying to fix some of them.
You can't expect us to keep paying when your communication with the player-base is close to zero.I wanna know what's happening and what i'm paying for.

It's just that ZoS either hates us for some *** reason or they have literally NO IDEA how to handle the pile of crap that they're in.

meh...i am so disappointed.

Are you joking? You just posted in a forum thread that is exactly what you are complaining about. I agree ZOS is pretty bad with communication, but at least they have said they are aware of the NB issues are are working to fix them.

There have been almost ONE THOUSAND POSTS SINCE that initial post.Stop being so narrow-minded.

deacon13

My main is a NB Enchanter . Canceled yesterday . If they don't fix it by time expires I wont be back .

Blinks

Ouch, that's another one gone Zenimax, tut tut

Najarati

mathias.botheb16_ESO wrote: »

Things I would like to see
....
Blur: replaced by new skill
....

I disagree with this. Blur is a good skill in concept, but it needs to be implemented better. For one, just slotting Blur should passively grant you 15% evasion.

Clicking/activating it should confer an additional benefit, perhaps increasing the evasion rate by an additional 15% for the next x seconds (for a total of 30%).

To illustrate, here's how I'd like Blur to operate:

Blur - Slotting this skill grants you 15% evasion. Activating this skill grants you an additional 15% bonus to evasion for x seconds.

Misdirection (was Double Take) - Additional Effect: When activated, enemies who miss you have a chance to damage themselves or a single enemy nearest you for x% of the damage that would have been dealt.

Mirage (no change) - Additional Effect: When activated, enemies who miss you have a chance to throw themselves off balance for x seconds.

Edited for readability.